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Classic client vs whatever new client you just made that we aren't going to use

Discussion in 'UHall' started by ACB1961, Dec 7, 2009.

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  1. ACB1961

    ACB1961 Lore Keeper
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    How do I say this in a happy constructive way? A way that will enlighten, but not cause anger. This is really hard. I keep coming up with sentences which cause everyone on my end to burst into laughter, but its just not constructive.

    We LOVE the features of the new clients. We ALWAYS love the features. Our computers can handle it with no problem. My wife is saying I should just talk about how beautiful the Classic client is. How solid the ground feels under you when you run or stand in one of your homes. The beauty of many of the landscapes. The thrill of playing uo without it crashing and killing you.

    Most of us are not going to play these clients. We're probably NEVER going to play them. The only way we'd play them is if there was no other way to play uo, and then there'd be such a loud scream you'd hear it at your real life houses. Take a poll. You guys LOVE polls. See how many people are going to play the enhanced client.

    I used to run computer companies so I know whats its like to try to program a dinosaur. I REALLY want to play an incredible new client, but be honest we don't have one. WE NEVER have one. Everytime we get something thats less beautiful, and doesn't work as well. We're told how we should play it. We're told that its going to be supported and filled with wonderful new features. Then, one day you say. Hey, we're not supporting that client. Here's some other new client. We try it for maybe 3 hours, and then we trot on back to the client we have that actually works properly (for the most part). The client that doesn't crash and kill us over and over most days. The client with beautiful monsters and trees and houses that are filled with lovely things.

    :grouphug:
     
  2. Widow Maker

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    That was so beautiful man...I...I think I am going to cry.. :sad3:
     
  3. Jermosh

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    I love EC, I rarely have any issues and crash no more then 2d when I am on my laptop.
     
  4. deadite

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    Not a flame, but honestly your thread title is obnoxious and the thread itself is fairly pointless. You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but don't try to speak for me. I use the EC exclusively nowadays, and I'm enjoying UO in a completely new light.

    I think the EC is worth the effort from Mythic and I hope they continue working on it.

    *shrugs*
     
  5. *sigh* He's sooo right. When I look at the enhanced client I get a headache, irl.
    Even with a newer top of the line computer and changing everything everyone says to change, the EC is choppy. The art is well.. I want to be nice here so I wont say what the art is :(
    Some of it is fine, other parts look bad and thats where I get the headache from. The crisp hard lines are missing on most of it and it just kind of looks ran together.
    Maybe this has changed since I looked at it last, but I'm guessing it hasnt.
    I want my dragons to look big and mean, not small and sweet... I want to ride my cu, not walk with it while riding it and I want to do all of this without getting a headache from just looking at it. :(

    2D for me, sorry.
     
  6. Dermott of LS

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    "we"?

    You don't speak for this "we" by any stretch.

    WHile I can understand keeping the 2d client giving the advent of netbooks etc. By keeping the 2d client, the biggest mistake in my book with the Enhanced CLient was gimping it down graphically and UI-wise in an attempt to try and convince people to use it who have the mindset of the OP.

    Keep the 2d client, sure, but PLEASE make the EC push the envelope in the same manner that the KR client was meant to do.

    I use the EC even though I think it's several steps backwards for the few steps forwards from KR mainly because I simply cannot fathom returning to the 2d client on a 22in widescreen monitor.

    When I get a netbook, I might use the 2d client depending on which one runs better on said netbook.

    But until then, I will always want UO to push FORWARD and thus the OP does not speak for this "we" by any stretch.
     
  7. VorteXPete

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    I use ec all the time and love it.Maybe I should stop using it because everyone hates it.
     
  8. Fink

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    I love the Enhanced Client. I find it has fewer issues overall than the longstanding bugs everyone is accustomed to in the Classic client. Also you often need only ask a fellow player for a new feature and they're happy to write it.. no dev wishlist to address.

    Classic will always hold a special place in my fond memories for its naive charm and retro look. But it really has a poorly designed interface, even for 15 (or 20 for that matter) years ago, and that detracts from its playability. If it didn't, UO:Assist would not have been anywhere near so successful.
     
  9. Phaen Grey

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    I was excited this summer when I got a new computer, not top end but good enough to play a lot of graphic intense games... the EC client is still crap on it. It crashes, it looks bad and nothing lines up right. I look like I am skating and not really touching the ground when I try to move. The interfaces itself is not user friendly in the least.

    I will continue to play the 2d client until someone gets a new client to work as well.
     
  10. Serine

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    2D forever or its not UO for me .

    Tryed the EC witch i call 2.5D .. nowhere close to 3d in my book . I dont mind good graphic games and have played some . But i think UO is ment to be 2D .
     
  11. We really should have a poll, else no one really knows the true figures. No wait, make that 2 polls. In both cases, there are only 2 choices - EC/SA vs 2D/Legacy.

    Poll#1 - Which client do you personally use primarily or more often when you play these days?
    Poll#2 - If UO had to cancel one client and keep only one, which client would you rather they keep?
     
  12. Fink

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    Enhanced Client isn't 3D, just uses a 3D engine. It's the same isometric aspect/view as Classic, just a different way of putting it together.

    Even the old "3D Client" wasn't to be regarded as a 3D game, the name was shorthand for 3rd Dawn, much like T2A meant The Second Age.
     
  13. Dermott of LS

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    2D forever or its not UO for me

    And this is why I hate the compromises that EC has made as detailed above.

    Tryed the EC witch i call 2.5D .. nowhere close to 3d in my book . I dont mind good graphic games and have played some . But i think UO is ment to be 2D .

    Right now the ONLY differences between the EC and 2d are the terrain, models used, particle effects and portions of the UI. The perspective is the same, the item, plant, and building artwork are 99.99% Legacy (there are about 3 or 4 actual artwork changes from KR brought over that are NOT terrain or models), the animation is almost the same (same type of stop-motion animation just with more frames). Effectively, EC is not all that different than 2d and was made closer to 2d in an attempt to appease thoe who didn't like KR.

    I think UO is meant to keep its isometric perspective, but that in no way means that it was meant to retain 12 year old technological standards.

    No, currently, the EC doesn't cut it but that's due to several factors and not due to the idea of "If it's not 2d it's not UO". That to me is simply a crutch phrase to not have to attempt to advance the game technologically.
     
  14. the 4th man

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    I'm not for this "we" crap.....look, you whine alot, that's no secret. Remember one thing, to each his own, ok? That's common sense stuff you learn growing up.

    I pity anyone who worked for you, especially with your attitude about UO, I say just play the game, for what it's worth. I can do 2D with all it's ancient glory or the enhanced client....it doesn't matter.

    Lastly, call EA or Mythic, whoever runs the show and give them your rant, see how far you get.....getting verbal here will get you nowhere.....


    you didn't strat a poll why??

    later kid
     
  15. Serine

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    You have every right to think what you think . But i dont agree with you one bit . Lets just agree on that we dont think the same way . Just because i am pleased with 2D doesnt mean everyone else has to be . Guess thats why we have 2 clients .
     
  16. hawkeye_pike

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    Who is "we"? Not me.

    I still use the EC, although I am very disappointed about how EA handles the great number of current bugs (they don't handle it at all), and although I doubt that the EC will ever be fixed. But switching back to the Legacy Client is not an option for me. After I got used to the EC, the Legacy Client didn't do it for me anymore.
     
  17. Vertigo

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    When he says "we", I think he's talking about his family.

    As for me - 2d all the way.
     
  18. MissEcho

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    Don't speak for me it is totally rude and obnoxious. Don't like the EC, don't play it. Pretty simple.

    I have a feeling that more people than you realize actually play the EC. Certainly all the 'new or returning' players that I have personally spoken to are using it. I won't ever play 'classic' again nor will 95% of the people I play with.

    Board posters to 'stratics' are a generally old timers (vets) so any 'poll' taken here is going to be totally 'skewed' anyways. Most newer players, in fact from my experience 60-70% of regular players barely if EVER read the boards! (which, I admit, always amazes me, given the lack of in game or patch screen information, which is beside the point, but a fact none the less.)

    The only people who 'know' the breakup of users would be EA-Mythic, however I sometimes wonder if they have any method to determine which 'client' is being used by anyone at any given time. If they don't they really need to put something in place to actually 'track' numbers. Taking silly posts like this one making generalizations and assumptions as 'fact' is hardly what most would use as a professional way of deciding the acceptance of anything.

    You notice don't you that it is always the 'classic' client lovers that make these types of posts. Really need to ask yourself why they feel the 'need' to worry about something they don't actually 'use'.
     
  19. Heartseeker

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    Word.
     
  20. Ahuaeyjnkxs

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    The bard would get crushed by words ?

    [YOUTUBE]<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/gMk-VdXuFAs&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/gMk-VdXuFAs&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>[/YOUTUBE]

    In ANY client there is no way for bards to compose their own loved song mario paint style ? Remember that ?

    What year was that ? they enhance the client but you have to hear the same old 5 note bard bling ?

    What about this you evil human haters ? Him and his family ?

    [YOUTUBE]<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/eWumht6AuZo&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/eWumht6AuZo&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>[/YOUTUBE]

    Where did all this effort go ? To waste ?
     
  21. Der Rock

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    the day the cheat program dont work anymore,will be the day wich split the scum from the playerbase,then we will see who NEVER will play the new client.

    people who like and love to play uo,will still play uo,
    those scum who cant live without 99% of ingame cheating/scripting,will hopefully die with 2d
    ;)
     
  22. Ahuaeyjnkxs

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    Oh yes it's ironic but a+c=B

    But that dosen't make it more right, you still dropped your der rock, amongst players who deserve more because all their effort is made on carrying their own, and they don't have time anymore to look down.

    [YOUTUBE]<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/Js9HqXY8tsE&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/Js9HqXY8tsE&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>[/YOUTUBE]
     
  23. Jhym

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    EEEEK! My guild is on Youtube!! And me looking all young and stuff back in 99 in Paxlair.

    I loved doing that, but the typing was/is a chore. Luckily I'm a touch-typist for the most part, and I prepare for concerts usually by printing out my songs or setting up the laptop by the desktop.

    Others set up macros to pipe the songs out, but I find doing it manually and in the moment makes it FEEL like I'm really singing (especially adding in various instruments or sounds.)

    Thanks for bringing a smile of a memory.

    A pint for my homies :pint:

    :beer:
     
  24. Ahuaeyjnkxs

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    Thats you playing ?
     
  25. Mitzlplik_SP

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    Give me an EC with CC char models and motion and I`m there.

    I don`t like gliding....I like riding.
    My char model looks goofy when mounted and even worse when he`s mounted while wearing a robe.

    I will not settle since I can have what I want in the CC.

    Sounds pretty trivial to most but to me its the difference that keeps me in one client instead of the other.

    This game revovles around the char model....people`s alter-ego. The char models in the CC have a dose of realism to them..the EC,not so much.

    I could care less about paperdolls and such. Gimme a pirty char model and I`ll shut down the CC for good.
     
  26. Merion

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    I wholeheartedly agree with everything he said!
     
  27. Fink

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    I think the player avatar could use some work, in fact there's a thread dedicated to it. My feeling is, if they're going for a Classic-look (which they are with most things in EC), why stop short at the avatar? It should look, layer, and move much like the Classic version if people are going to migrate. It should, however, be more polished and hopefully higher resolution to reflect the modern production values we would hope are administered across the board in all aspects of the game.
     
  28. altarego

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    People are starting to use the CC as some sort of excuse....like a comfort blanket.

    Dude, grow up.
     
  29. People that tell others to grow up usually need to do so themselves. :mf_prop:


    When the EC no longer has dancing candelabras and my warrior isn't riding in the middle of his swampy's stomach, not to mention also having the cursor actually target what it's pointing to then you might see more people in favor of the EC. Until then, it's got too many bugs and glitches for many to consider using it.
     
  30. altarego

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    I'll take a nod for the graphical issues...they definitely annoy me. But the rest just seems like you're complaining because you're not smart enough to learn how to ride a new bike. Something that is "different" is not a bug. It's just different.

    And frankly, I dislike the deflection. Grow up.
     
  31. Ahuaeyjnkxs

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    it's easy to accuse when you come from nowhere...

    But ACB has led the companion program for EA, and he remembers the old bright days.

    You see what you want in a story without end.

    What you perceive is a blanket is a sheet of razor blades that makes us bleed daily. Oh of course since you're looking at it from one angle only, it dosen't look like it's serrated, but this is all in vain.

    But thanks for coming forward with your performance and new sterelisation philosophies guys, now I can document your avatar's actions in the little time we have left before the guardian either controls us all or finally dies.
     
  32. I've no reason to change client I can do everything I need or want in 2D. I've used the EC and found it didn't have a few features from 2D (update ranges for one) that are useful to me. Its full of features I've never needed or wanted and my overall impression was that its primarily aimed at attracting new players from other games rather than existing players.
     
  33. slaveone

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    Usually i think ACB is pretty obnoxious. But when it comes to EC i feel the same way as him and his family. The 2d client is the ONLY client worth playing sorry to say. I know there are a few people here who use SA client but really the numbers are laughable. I think i read Echo saying "most" new or returning players are using the EC i think thats pretty laughable statement. I'd love to know who all these people she talks to are cause seriously everyone i talk to on atlantic uses 2d. I've yet to come across more than a handful of players using EC and thats being generous.

    Then for EA/Mythic to continue to call it beta?!?! I mean seriously thats just a total joke i know it the other 2d players know it and anyone using EC that doesn't already know it is only fooling themselves. They are only continuing to call it a beta client because everyones panties got all ruffled up when the claimed KR was a finished product and it was half ass. Well SA client is half ass to so instead of claiming its completed they keep a beta sticker on it so everyones panties don't get ruffled up. Problem is it is a finished product its been released people are using it there are no more beta testers. To call EC still a beta product is total bs might as well call the legacy client a beta product while they are at it.

    EA/Mythic isn't fooling anyone who doesn't "WANT" to be fooled. This client was another bomb. I wish i could say it was a crowning achivement for UO. Alas it isn't. The game wouldn't survive without 2d/Legacy client and the folks at EA/Mythic know it. Thats why SA had "FULL" 2d access. I remember the old SA forums the people were all like SA won't have any 2d access. 2d is dying I told them it wouldn't ever happen. They were so wrong it wasn't even funny. Without 2d/Legacy client there is NO UO people. Unless they can make a product that is just a better looking 2d they might as well forget all these new clients. Honestly the best "NEW" client was the original 3d before they made all the paperdolls look like cabbage patch kids. Everything since then has been one train wreck after another. When will EA/Mythic learn that what the players want is a crisper cleaner 2d with more features not some hodge podge collection of poorly redesigned characters,mosters,landmasses,items.

    If you want a NEW client that will actually succeed you need to LISTEN to your playerbase thus far EA/Mythic has not done so and so far all their "NEW" improved clients have failed because of it. I don't even know why they have betas cause they NEVER listen to what the people tell them in them. I know this first hand. EA/Mythic needs to Wake up and anyone still pretending the EC is still beta needs to do the same!
     
  34. Zym Dragon

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    You can call it whatever you want, it doesn't really matter. The EC is an unfinished client. What Mythic needs to do is follow through and finish what they started.
     
  35. Miss Smoocher

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    it dont matter to me who plays what client as long as we all play uo together is all that matters. we still love UO and hope it last for meny more years 2D:grouphug: RULES okies okies i said my fav :p
     
  36. Ivorythorn

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    I have to say this was a Pointless Post in my opinion. It would be the same as if I posted something along the lines that I would never play the CC again and it should be abandoned. I wouldn't do that. If you enjoy the CC and it works for you then great. It's been my position that they should keep both clients. Even with graphical glitches and bugs? my gameplay has been much better in the EC. I'm more "productive', i.e. I can do things faster.

    I like the way the EC looks, the mods and skins people create are awesome. I don't get headaches playing it. If you get headaches maybe you need a better monitor, or perhaps a trip to see a healthcare professional, and get a MRI? I hope they keep the EC and improve on it. People please leave the EC alone! You play your client, and I'll play mine.

    Ivorythorn "Royal Guardian of the Enhanced Client" < Tongue In Cheek >
     
  37. Storm

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    I like and use both clients
    the old client is just way out dated and as supreem I believe posted it takes the devs a lot longer to make things for the old client

    the EC has issues with some graphics and needs some bugs fixed but also has great potential

    to me the perfect system given what we have would be one that you can take from either client and make what you like combining the two in whatever way you wish!
     
  38. Barahir

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    When I started up UO again after an absence of some 8 years, I downloaded both clients; the classic one as I knew it, and the enhanced one to see what had changed.

    Well, on starting the classic up, I was lost.....I didn't remember it as well as I thought. I went and got UOAssist up and running again, but it still seemed absolutely archaic and borderline unplayable to someone who is basically new to it. And this was someone who had used it years ago.

    Heaven knows what a player new to the game would make of it. Actually, I have some idea of this as I showed the classic UO to a housemate in an attempt to persuade him to play, and he just walked away laughing at how odd and incomprehensible it looked. This is not someone unfamiliar with MMO's either, we're played many such games together - EQ1 and 2, WoW, Aion, Eve Online.

    For my own UO play, I use the enhanced client exclusively; I couldn't go back to the classic client. It has the features a modern MMO player expects; hotbars, a useable map, an easily sorted inventory, a powerful macro system. I have had no stability issues with it at all and it runs smoothly on my PC.

    I've come to the view that the mere existence of UOAssist says all that needs to be said about the classic client - no game should need a third party addon to give it something approaching a functional user interface, that should be built in.

    I appreciate that people are attached to the classic client, but I am of the opinion that the classic client itself is the biggest barrier to convincing new players to give UO a go.
     
  39. Mitzlplik_SP

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    Oh I totally agree with ya. If I had my 2d char models and 2d movement and improvements like you have mentioned, I`d even go as far as deletin 2d off my machine,hehe.

    I really do want to play a newer client. I just want to have the same amount of fun and satisfaction with it as I do with 2d.

    Oh and they definately hafta improve the resolution of the EC. If some peaple that have been on the same machine for 10+ years can`t see the need to upgrade..... I dunno what to tell em besides theres always 2d. The rest of the playerbase that HAS upgraded should have that crisp,refined look our machines can handle.....thats why we bought em.
     
  40. Miriandel

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    The enhanced client is just great.

    The graphics are just the same, provided you don't zoom close.

    It's an amazing piece of work for such an old game and I strongly support the efforts of the dev team to make the enhanced client the best client available, and soon the only.
     
  41. ...........
    The graphics are the same to you?

    Get glasses, laser surgery, or something, because it doesnt matter what zoom you have, those characters are the old character models from Third Dawn, that look goofy and gangly. The entire thing has lost it's 'hardedge' and a million other differences that people more artistically inclined than I can tell you about.

    To say the EC is the same graphics as the CC is absolutely laughable.
     
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    Its my initials. I found out a long time ago I play things better if I get some part of myself in them.
     
  43. Zym Dragon

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    "Graphics" is a very broad term. The item/house art is the same in the EC as the classic client, save a few items that still retained their KR look. As you pointed out, the character models are different. I have no problems with people pointing out specifics aspects they don't like, like you did. It's just as laughable however, to say "the graphics suck".
     
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    Obnoxious presumtious annoying thread that is pointless and nothing but a lame attempt at trolling.

    THE Enhanced Client is FANTASTIC.

    It NEVER crashes, it makes playing a hell of a lot more fun and EVERY SINGLE GAME SYSTEM is easier and more intuitive.


    To please the obnoxiously loud nay-sayers and their silly followers who largely tag along so they can keep crafting using the o-so-easy scripting programs, the real improvements were scaled down to a minimum. Frustrating any attempt at improving the true flaws of this game.

    It is funny: You don't want speed hacking, scripting and a better client.... And then, here it is, Oh Shyt, you have to learn a new client and your silly brain can't wrap itself around that because you're stubborn.... It is like using the same toilet paper every day, it may be rough around the edges, but you like the feel of how it scrapes the poop from your arse... Go nuts, use the quilted version.... Maybe the reality is that it would take away so many reasons to ***** and moan on a daily basis here on the forums, that your carefully crafted board presence would crumble and you would actually have to play the game, or worse, go outside and realize there is a whole other world out there...


    If this rant doesn't get this thread locked, I don't know what else to do... Just don't let any of these clowns destroy this fantastic new client!!!!
     
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    You know, I haven't participated in any EC vs. CC threads yet, and had no plans to, but this really bugs the snot out of me.

    I play the CC. Why? Because I prefer it. That's it. No more, no less.

    Those of you who presume I script or use ABCDUO or speedhack or want to dupe because of it, can all kiss my ass.

    /Ru
     
  46. OxAO

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    love the 'new clients' or not PLEASE DON'T make another one.

    Stop wasting resources on it.

    I am sticking with 2D until the end...
    End of story.
     
  47. Zym Dragon

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    I wholeheartedly agree with you about not wasting resources on creating yet another client. Resources should go into finishing the EC as much as possible.
     
  48. Jesusislord

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    I can't believe there's even anything to argue about. The people at whatever company develops this game these days are still patching the game.. and it would seem on a much more frequent basis than in the past.

    It would seem to me like both clients are being supported just fine. Perhaps updates for the enhanced client are slow, but as has been mentioned before this game is old, and large, and people will just have to play it and report bugs.. just like we did 5,7,9, years ago on the classic client, to get into the sturdy shape it's in.. such is the nature of video games like this.

    I prefer the 2d client. The 3d client looks nice and I'm sure is nice for those who can use it. Just like some people prefer Paladins to Samurais.

    When they stop supporting one client that's when it's time to get angry. Until then, it would seem to me, there's no reason to insult either client or it's players.

    3D client is beautiful for the most part. If I ever decide to play it, (And I think it's cool I have a choice of two different clients) then I'd want it working fine, and I'd thank the people who are playing it now and reporting the bugs for making that happen.
     
  49. Cazzador

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    I tired of the old vs new debate, How many times Old Vs New Is going to come up? really if you don't like the New EC don't play it. I play both, my newer computers can handle the EC with all its magnificence and beauty , I have no issues with it. No crashes it look as good if not better than 2d. But I also play 2D on my laptop or EEnotebook, and I still enjoy it. There is a couple bugs in EC that bother me but I play it 95% of time. Suffice to say without the EC I wouldn't play as much. you like yours I like BOTH of mine.:wall: :stretcher:
     
  50. Thav12

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    That sort of sums up my way of looking at it too.
    However, the constant nay saying on this forum should not be misconstrued to mean that "everyone" wants the old client, and nothing but the old client. I am sick of it.
    My previous post was sort of an attempt to obnoxiously point that out. Get over this issue. There was absolutely nothing that provoked the OP to post yet another post about this issue. He just wanted to create another podium for nay sayers. I think he just was attempting to get into the righteous inner circle of the stratics posters by getting on their good "I hate progression" side. It's an elite inner circle we may refer to as the "keepers of all that was good about brittania in 1997 when I was 35 and still young enough to learn a new game, but now I am old and hate everything new, because I am old and hate young people with their new ways and computers and and and.... hair.... "

    Truth of the matter is that the old client is old. It works and we all have gotten quite used to the mechanics. No need to say that. To keep the game alive you have to allow progress to be made and allow new things, while doing away with the more damaging aspects of the 2D client (hacks, scripts and dupes). Now, if mythic were to come out with a java based/browser based client that we can play like say a pogo game, I could stick with something that looks like the old client. I am not saying no to the old client. I have loved this game for 7-8 years just like most of us here. (took a break, I will admit from 2003-2006) and played nothing but the old client, until this recent itteration of the enhanced client. It is just so much better that I can not believe the people that speak out and want to destroy a product that is so, so much better simply because they can not get over themselves.

    And I still have all my hair.

    Coincidence or not, the average post by nay sayers is close to 4000, that of the yay sayers around 80. Maybe there is just some truth to what I wrote...
     
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