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Classic shard.

Discussion in 'UO Siege Perilous' started by kelmo, Dec 19, 2010.

  1. kelmo

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    Will it be the end of us? Be real. Do you think the Mythic team will have time for us if a classic shard is created?

    Do you believe "classic" folk will settle for a one time publish of a "classic" shard? No fixes. No publishes? No new content?

    How many rule sets do you think the Mythic staff is able to work with?

    Mythic has proven it has difficulties dealing with two. Imagine a third...

    The logistics of it baffles me.
     
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    They have time for us now?

    Mythic has proven they can't even keep ONE ruleset working, much less 3, so IMHO there's no issue there.
     
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    Not to **** in your coffee, but SP has been dead for awhile...the good thing is you got one less forum traffic to worry about now!
     
  4. kelmo

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    *shakes head* Really? You are gonna go there with me?
     
  5. Chardonnay

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    It is what it is! You want me to ****ing stand up here and lie and say "**** ya, SP is ****ing packed!"

    I mean honestly EA can't do anymore harm than good now whatever they decide UO in general is gonna suffer period...

    This hole weekend SP as dead...Gilfane the biggest guild on the server is never seen...EVO the second largest only like three people play in that guild...TNT plays a free shard and NEW has 7 people in it. If you go to uo.com in the top 1o guilds for population JSV and BFF is listed and both those guilds have been VERY inactive...

    So i went there...what's your analysis?

    http://town.uo.com/guilds/shard_13.html

    2 of those guilds are japanese guilds for heaven sake!

    If a classic server comes and is more populated than SP i'll go there...if The Shard of the Dead would have been done right i would have stayed there...do i agree with them letting SP die but what am i to do? I'm not playing a free server and i refuse to go prodo...once SP gone i'm gone...
     
  6. kelmo

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    My analysis? We are done. I will hang on. For a while.
     
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    :heart:

    You do that but please don't try to blow smoke up MY ass and say it's a bubble bath...

    You're still my favorite mod if that counts for anything...
     
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    I dont think a classic shard will do well with current players. A lot want it, they want what they used to love, but it wont be the same.

    I have played classic free shards, pub 15 style, the 7xgm, etc. And the PvP isnt as good. It really isnt. Dexxers were 2x click and chase, maybe they added mage and eval for burst damage at the start. But it was simple.

    Mage PvP was thought to be king, cause it was harder. But really it was explodes, followed by FS, nox, or eb etc. Wasnt much variation.

    I think the casting speed adjustments they made (even if they dont have FC/FCR) makes mage PvP much better. There are a lot more combos, and techniques.

    In order to be a success, which I think would put the nail in the coffin for siege, they would need to be a hybrid.

    Make dexxers choose to do a special (even if the old specials). Keep the cast rates at 2/6, without items. Or some taper of FC/FCR for balance.

    For those who want that old school PvP, and think it was the greatest, log onto a classic shard, and just check it out for a week, i bet you dont stay.
     
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    Ya, since most free servers have bonded pets...that's the lamest thing i've ever seen...
     
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    I dont mind bonded pets, due to the training thing. If they didnt make it so long to train a pet, id all be for removing bonds.

    Or make it so you can only res a bonded pet 3x a week or something. And pets dont recall with you.

    There is room to work with the bond system.
     
  11. CroakerTnT

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    There's an open space for a castle, or at least a keep, on ice island. I think that says everything about siege. Unfortunately.
     
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    This might come as a bit of a shock (don't know why though), but the majority of classic shard supporters i know on these boards ARE playing free shards and love the old ruleset. Its the stability of a EA server they seek.
     
  13. Kas Althume

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    Have they even agreed on a ruleset yet? Until they have given the details of the ruleset they are going to implement i wouldn't panic too much. You have to keep in mind that the number of players got a boost when UO has been made easier, not tougher.

    The classic UO i remeber was only fun bcause of the huge number of players. Several players sharing a 7x7 (no item decay), "small guilds" having 40+ members on at a time. Being raided by evil pkers on horses (omg they had horses!) and defending your own village. Where shall all those players come from? You need a huge flock of sheep and a much smaller size of wolves to keep a shard healthy. If all you have is wolves the shard will die. When the size of wolves grew too much, they came up with trammel. ;)

    Maybe you will see alot of players in the beginning, but it will not last long. Most will go back to insurance and their shinies.
     
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    Well my opinion has always been that they will **** this up.

    No one will be really happy with whatever they come up with just because there are too many opinions on what a classic shard is.

    They will screw up, putting out an update that has "unintended consequences" for the shard just like they did here, and it will never get fixed because they dont' have time or they don't know what the hell they did in the first place.

    Eventually people will get bored and they will either quit altogether or they will go back to their old shards.

    As we all know, Siege is the last stopping point for many people frustrated with the game. I don't see the classic shard being much different.

    I don't think it will ever materialize. It's apparent that the DEV's are understaffed and for the most part barely understand the game they are producing.
     
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    I might even re-activate if they create a classic shard. Siege died around the time of the "Great Housing Drop". The population has dwindled year after year. Most people who play are holdovers or people trying to find a last spark before they deactivate their accounts.

    Not sure there is anything that would change that. The only reason I can think that the devs are looking at a classic shard now, it because they see the total drop of population across all shards...la
     
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    QFT...
     
  17. Kael

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    I guess a couple of ways to look at it

    The idea of a classic shard appeals to many, many players ( a good amount of them are Siege Perilous Players ) and may actualy bring back quite a few players from the free shards

    It would actually be alot of fun for Siege players to migrate over to a classic shard ( if they ever build one) It will be Fel based only ( perhaps lost lands) so a very small landmass. Everyone would start off at the same level in terms of skills and wealth... so people will need to group up together to gain skills, defend against pk's and perhaps even to pool funds and create a town of some sort.

    I have found Siege Perilous players group together on other shards ( both EA and "free based" ) Maybe a classic shard would be catalyst people need to start to log in more frequently
     
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    If they build it.....we will come....
     
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    I used to think Siege Perilous was the Classic shard. They need to work on whats wrong with the game before they go and make a so called "Classic" shard. I miss UO terribly, but I really don't think anything can be done
    to make it the way it was from 05 - 08. They should have just left things alone to begin with. I haven't seen 1 thing go right for SP since they came up with factions. Now the shard is just dead. I guess it doesn't help
    when people like me just up and stop playing one day.
    They should have just left SP alone the way it was and not have put in
    all the changes they put into the prodo shards.
    The problem with SP is that it was never ment to be like the prodo shards and it is. SP has everything that Pacific has without a Trammel and the population. :cursing:
     
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    i would definately reactivate my account for a classic shard (and i know i could bring back most of my old guildmates).

    to be honest i wouldn't even care if they wiped siege perilous as it is today and restarted it with an oldschool ruleset...

    starting over would be great and i couldn't care less about loosing all my millions in the bank...as long as i get the old feeling back that uo had back in the day...

    oh and all the asian players. anybody remember the time before Mugen was introduced? being from europe you could always find asian players on during the off hours...

    now i am depressed... *wanders off*
     
  21. CroakerTnT

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    I'd not reactivate for a classic shard. There's freeshards aplenty that fill that market, and they actually have GM's that respond.

    I'm currently maintaining my account on Siege, simply because I have a castle there.

    What would make me return to Siege? Only a great influx of people so that the banks were busy, there were people farming in the dungeons, and people buying stuff. I personally think that the dev's made their updates to ROT and such too little, too late, and there's now few people playing the prodo shards and none of them care about Siege. After all, why pay to play siege, when you can play a freeshard for a similar experience, and where there's lots of people to interact with?
     
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    The biggest reason people would reactivate if they have moved to free shards is due to the stability of a EA backed classic server. Free shards are fun, and can provide great support, however, with EA you really don't have to worry about the shard being shut down because of real life issues of the developers, or personality conflicts with the players.

    Free servers come and go, but an EA server would most likely stick around until EA shut it's doors on the UO project. That stability is very much worth the price of admittance. One other thing EA can provide in the form of confidence is that the GMs aren't nearly as corrupt when it comes to give aways to players (who wants stat pants anyway?)...la
     
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    The free shard the TNT is playing has been around for 7+ years and has 800 + people on every night...I doubt it is going anywhere. IMHO it will still be rocking long after EA has moved past UO.

    That being said...if Siege ever made a comeback I would be there. I have kept my accounts up and will continue to do so...for a while but not forever.

    Rico, two quick notes...Atlantic with all the duping is more currupt that any free server out there and the shard we are on is loaded with thieves...real old school, they even nick things out of your pack at the WBB.

    La...woot!
     
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    I've played many of them. There is actually one in development that will be a classic Siege Perilous shard. The larger ones seem to attract a lot of kiddies. Maybe I used to enjoy pestering them more, but I've grown tired of them...la
     
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    He has been there for 5+ years ( according to forum status)
     
  26. Hera - Siege

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    I think mythic would love it, it's a "set it and forget it" shard. no updates, no content, no nothing. I'm not sure if it would last in that state, but it might.

    Is it becoming a reality? Or is it still in the discussion phase?

    -H
     
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    I tried free shards. Dont get me wrong, there is a lot of people there, and always action, however I just get sick of the constant attempts to scam. I have never been scammed over there, but I swear everytime I try and bank, there someone trying to sell me an ethy polar bear, or donation this or that, which is really just a damn animal renamed over in the corner of the screen.

    I know scamming is legal, but the server should do things to prevent it. Such as not allowing animals etc to be renamed certain titles, and comm deeds to show fill like on EA.

    I know this interupts some peoples game play, but does a shard really need people who bank sit, or throw things on a vendor to rip others off? Not really helping the shard.

    Thats where I think an EA one would be better. But I dont think Id quit siege for it.

    *Edit*

    That an everyone has neo color this and that. What an eye sore
     
  28. Kael

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    Thats kinda why people hope that EA will eventually make some form of a classic shard to play on

    The free shards can be alot of fun...but nothing really beats the "real" deal. Depending on the era of this classic shard I really think it would actually bring people back into the game.
     
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    A Classic Shard may be nice, but its not going to be perfect.

    The real issue in my eyes is that EA/Devs have never fixed anything in a timely manner, and completely ignored others.
    And then continually added crap in Ultima trying to be like WoW and every other game out there that was syphoning UO players.

    I play Ultima because I like this old 2d classic game, i dont and wont play WoW, I think RP said in our vent the other night, "Ultima is like a classic car"
    we like it for what is was, we dont want it to be like something newer, we just want it to be the best "classic car" it can be.

    I have 7 Ultima Accounts, all trained 1 at a time by myself, ill never sell them, and im not sure ill reactivate any of them.

    If they made a Classic Shard, or fixed Siege id probably come back, but EA has screwed everything they have touched up and not fixed much of anything , so why should I or anyone trust them to do anything right this time??
     
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    I hope they do try and make one, without any gimmics, limit it to 2 chars (to help with community), and go from there. It would hurt siege a bit IMO, nothing drastic, cant really get blood from a stone.
     
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    Exactly.

    Even then. As the days go by... it may be too late for me to ever come back should it happen.

    This game has been a part of my life for longer than any other. I finally found that kind of magic again in Darkfall.

    I wish there was magic still left in Britannia... it's just not the kind of game I can enjoy anymore. I want to, but it's broken and the people responsible for fixing it - don't give a ****.
     
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    So does this mean you'll be dropping your houses with pixel crack in it? Or just paying EA for your accounts and never play UO?

    Fight the power!
     
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    Should I ever deactive everything UO related and axe it out of my life completely... I'm sure you understand that you're nobody important enough to know.
     
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    No you should tell us how uo sucks and play another game while you continue to pay EA for two accounts...

    You're showing them!
     
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    I do know one thing...at the bitter end kelmo will be still standing on a huge moutain of idoc loot, some of that will be Drax's, and I'm sure mine too!
     
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    If nothing else, Kelmo has dedicated a lot of time and himself to Siege. I, for one, thank him for the many years he has served our community.

    He was here when I got here and he is still here almost six years later, as I am headed out the door. He and I haven't always seen eye to eye over the years, but he's been a good friend and he has made my time here quite memorable and fun. Kelmo has been a damn good tour guide! :)
     
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    Thread = TLDR

    Too many things wrong with siege to fix it properly. The Siege community is pretty much against each other for all the wrong reasons. We can never come up with an answer we all agree on, purely because this community hates each other.

    20 people play siege tops, that's nothing in revenue

    They're worried more about keeping player interest up on shards where people actually play. It is EA's fault that siege is dead, but they've already taken that loss and will only pay minimal attention to us every few years to show that they haven't forgotten about us (when really the only time they make even a miniscule change is if we annoy them enough)

    You all need to face facts. Siege is done! It's not getting any better, and it never will. The devs pretty much told us that.

    The only people that will continue to play siege are those who refuse to let it go -- spending their 13 bucks a month to keep a house up or gain skills, but mainly to consistently complain and argue about the state of the shard on this forum.

    Now, if you still want to have fun with UO, you're going to have to play a prodo shard. The 2 most populated shards you can play right now are Atlantic and Great Lakes.

    Not trying to be a negative nancy or anything, I just hate to see UO die for you guys when all you need to do is go to another shard....

    Righty/Nadal/Czarina/Forsaken/Myself/Kage/Diablo have all moved to atlantic, and the only one that looked back was diablo because 1) He gets owned hard, and 2) nobody likes him because he's a ******.
     
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    DARKFALL for the win!

    Can't complain AT ALL about darkfall, epic 50+ vs 50+ battle over our hamlet of Vel last night. And that was a SMALL battle really, there is easily 100 vs 100 battles over the bigger cities all the time.

    The only way i can describe big fights in darkfall is EPIC.
     
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    GoodGuy, your house fell today...
     
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    This is the last stop for some people. I played prodo for over 13 years and I will never play there again. Enjoy the scamming, the neon, the epeens, the duping, and the insurance. That is not UO.

    Siege isn't perfect but it's the closest thing EA has to what UO was/should be. If I wanted to go somewhere else just because there are more people, I'd go to WoW.
     
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    Agree. I haven't been interested in UO lately (comes and goes in several month chunks) but if all I had were prodo shards I would have closed my accounts years and years ago.

    I'm still hoping they will decide to go free, and get a decent player base going again one day then it might be more fun. Or just start over with a new game, done the right way. But that would never happen.

    Really for me once siege dies, so does the small amount of time I spend on online gaming.
     
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    QFT...
     
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    i looted goodguy house dry !

    o and crunch i left cause i lost my acct, but for sure i was getting owned hard but i had 90m punkte on my archer ! :loser: more than u will ever get cause i rocked u hard on my dread tamer, and u spam my icq omfg what u did how did i die, u died cause u suck the end
     
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    GOOD. im glad to know its all gone and i can never go back to it. I hope there was some good **** there left for you that i left not giving a ****.

    Did you get the rare server birth chest?
     
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    i did probably tossed it away
    nothing good in ur house :(

    are u talking about the chest bugged in the bag

    ya i got it!
     
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    Oddly enough, he likely did toss it if he found it. Diablo is quite clueless at idocs at times. He often skips over and dismisses amazing finds.
     
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    i only loots **** that i think is good but ya kelmo is right, i probably let some good loots there with the guilds this morning
     
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    We have different agendas, you and I. I seek to preserve.