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Cora's Spawn rate and drop rate, I think someting is amiss?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Nyses, Oct 18, 2012.

  1. Nyses

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    What is the deal with the spawn rate for Cora?, and what is the mechanic by which she actually spawns?

    I have done her a few times in the last couple of days and their seems to be no rhyme or reason to her spawn rate.

    Some days when I come down she is here. she seems to take an hour between re-spawns. I cannot determine a way to spawn her (such as doing the void pool). Tonight however, I got off work 2 hours ago, I got down here 1.5 hours ago, I did the void pool for a few levels, and she has yet to spawn.

    So, do the devs not want her to be done very often in a day? and if so, can we get her drop rate bumped up to 70% or so? thanks.
     
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    One disadvantage of the dungeon revamps is that much of what they have done will require changes down the road, or they run the risk of making some dungeons less used than before.

    While, in Covetous, the most often cited example is the Void Pool, I think Cora is a better example.

    It is a high-end encounter that is not accessed through keys and yet is designed with a coordinated group in-mind. A non-coordinated group makes things a lot worse and yet the fact that she's out in the open paradoxically encourages spontaneous, non-coordinated groups.

    She should, I argue, be something closer in form to Navery in terms of the large group vs small group vs solo issue and in terms of re-spawn rate. OR make keys to her.

    -Galen's player
     
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    Sadly she would actually seem to be ment to be a solo boss only. If you add more than one other player into her targeted range the amount of damage that she produces negates any advantage the extra person brings. I've done her a fair amount but she is boring and hardly a worthy trade off vs just doing level 3 and hoping for a drop there. I've not ever seen a item that I could use in a suit that has not been cursed which is the worst.

    I can't believe that to this date it seems that for every item I've farmed and seems to be traded/sold here on stratics at best 5 legendary items that have not been cursed.
     
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    Cora will unspawn if no one attack her after 30 minutes she has spawned ( time is to be confirmed it is approx but I can confirm she can unspawn if not attacked ) . I even think she can unspawn if not killed after a certain amount of time after she spawned, It hapenned to me once it unspawned while almost dead ...
     
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    while i like that the current team has been up front addressing many issues (the upcoming bug fix is long overduem, warranted and welcomed), i do have issues when things like this are added without being well thought out. i've never done cora but i heard her drops can be found on mob's one level higher. taking an hour to respawn is entirely to long a time. i think sometimes when the dev team looks at making things challenging what turns out happening is the event becomes a grind. grinds imho are not fun.
     
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    Good to know. So the best I can tell is that she spawns once an hour and if not attacked, within 30 min, she then disappears for an hour? There seems to be no way to make her spawn. I have found no correlation between her and the void pool, but maybe it is something I have just not noticed.
     
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    Any devs have any input on Cora's spawn rate? I have watched her for days, and it is an hour between her spawns. Is there any way to force her to spawn? or can we get her changed to the Navery timer? It's not like anyone does her anymore, I have not seen anyone down here at all, other than me, so increasing her spawn frequency does not seem like it would be a game breaker.
     
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    The Thing is Cora has 30% chance at dropping an artefact and Navrey has like 4%, thats why the timer on Cora is 7x more longer. But I must admit 1 hour is very long for the difficulty of the boss, and there's is no ''rocks'' to help kill Cora faster ... I would opt for a timer around 30 minutes ...
     
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    So, in the last 2 days, I have done Cora 8 times with 2 characters, each one getting looting rights. I have gotten 1 artie drop. Not exactly 30%. I know the sample size is small, but I have killed her at least 20 times in the last week with both characters and only gotten 4 drops off her. I am questioning whether her drop rate was actually increased. If each character has an independent 30%, drop rate, that is only a 10 % drop rate.
     
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    I have also heard about the drop-rate being increased on Cora, I have not read patch notes saying the drop rate has been increased. I've not killed her since then either though.

    Increasing the drop rate Too 30% & Increasing it By 30%, are not the same thing, and this would be a communication issue :D
     
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    I've done it once or twice a day also and seen an increased drop rate but I'm not sure if it's 30% but how could you tell. The rng could be set at 30 but if you just fall in the other 70% your SoL...that said I'm not really sure if any of the drops are that good, I just do it cause there is little else to do.
     
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    Well, 4 more rounds of Cora today with 2 characters and no drops. Was the drop rate accidentally set to 3%, with a misplaced decimal? I was looking for a full set of the Bracelets and the soulglaves are cool to have.
     
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    Had the day off yesterday, got in 5 Cora's with 2 chars, got 2 drops, best day to date. Still only a 20% drop rate if it is per char, or a 40% drop rate if it is per Cora. I would hope she is coded like Andros or the Peerless, where multiple participants can receive a drop, simultaneously. And not like Doom, where it seems there is only one drop and it is randomly doled out to a single participant. (or maybe it just seems that way, as the drop rate is so low.)
     
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    I have also recieved drops on seperate accounts but not at the same time. I guess you have to bring in a healer or 4 to increase the chances...
     
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    Multiple characters with looting rights are able to receive rewards from Cora at the same time.

    It's just an RNG thing, we all know how it is. It hates you 99% of the time.
     
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    6 more Cora's yesterday, 2 characters each time, each with looting rights, One drop. I understand the bad streaks the RNG hands out most of the time, but is it not tempered by the occasional good streak? So, 1 drop in 12 chances = 8% I have yet to reach or exceed the 30% drop rate.
     
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    LOL, ya, but neither of the characters I've killed Cora on has been Nyses. :wall:
     
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    Did it last night after clearing the gate of "trouble" makers. I got a drop and my buddy who brought a bard running the prov spells got a drop also. I got the garg shield while he got the much better and more sought after human one.

    Thats a second shield in my house with no use behind it but a drop all the same.
     
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    Nice, I have yet to get a drop on both my characters at the same time, that are down there, good to know it really can happen.

    Got in 2 Cora's yesterday with my 2 characters there, and goose egged again. :( Soon I will be able to tally that last few weeks of Cora and have a pretty good sample size, lol.
     
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    3 more Cora's yesterday, both my guys there, no drops. So, since I started this thread and, only tracking the hard numbers, I have done 28 Cora's each time with 2 characters and received 4 drops. So that is 4 drop from 56 chances = 7.1% drop rate.
     
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    2 more Coras, 2 chars there, 1 drop, yesterday
     
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    Got another drop today, this makes the fourth bow I've recieved. I find that my bard seems to get more drops than the actual tank, or so it seems.
     
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    Did one this morning as the wife is sick and I had to drive my oldest to school. Got another bow on my bard....thanks but sigh.
     
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    Nice, your drop rate seems to be making up for mine, :) Perhaps Cora just needs to warm up, like an older model car with a carburetor.

    I did 4 Coras yesterday, and got a total of 4 drops, so 50% yesterday, although 3 were the garg shield, lol oh and one bow.
     
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    I still prefer LVL 3 - got about 30 arties from there, human hephaestos yesterday - must have been the sixth or seventh in total... No waiting time for respawn, good revamp-loot, easily soloable with many different templates... daily changeing mobs... as long as the arties drop at this level, I won´t go to Cora ;-)
     
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    Yes, I too have hunted the upper level a bunch and gotten a pretty good drop rate. I was curious to find out if there really is any reason to do Cora, now that she has been patched. Seems not, time consuming and terrible drop rate, also nothing unique to her that I have found, or that anyone has reported.

    So after Yesterday and 4 more Cora's 0 drops, so I guess I was wrong about the "warm up" theory.

    Totals so far are: 38 Coras - 76 drop chances - 9 drops = 11.8% Well I guess I am slowing climbing up to 30%, wonder what sample size I will need to be statistically accurate, damn Stats class, too long ago.
     
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    I'd say that it's time consuming but I'd bet that we both know it's rather efficient when you compare it to other farming activities.
     
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    There is nothing unique to Cora, other than the mechanics she uses.

    Precisely why there shouldn't be Two places to get the Same Drops, resorting to the easiest/most efficient way of obtaining rewards removes the "need" to do the more challenging/less rewarding encounters.

    the Void pool doesn't scale well to the drop-rates with the "real" artifacts either, IMO, the void pool should be the one that rewards people with the "Non-Ephemeral" items, (It takes tons more time, thus should be more rewarding).

    I do wonder though, now that they mention Cora's Drop-rate is now 30%, What is the drop-rate of any given mob on lvl 1-3? is it based on Fame/Karma, like most other drops?
     
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    Well, 3 more Cora's yesterday and no drops from her. I did the other side, 4th level, for an hour or 2 and got 2 drops there though.

    Totals for Cora 41 Cora's - 82 drop chances - 9 drops = 11% Since each Cora takes about 30 min, that is over 40 hours of Cora, I think anyone reading this thread should conclude you can do better by just hunting the monsters in level 3 and 4. I know I will be from now on. Cheers!
     
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    The void pool was an awesome concept BUT whats the point. The items are sub par, there is no incentive to even do it. Cool idea though and it will be left unmodified for years just like everything else
     
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    Anyone getting arti drops on level 3 since the patch? I have about 25-30 hours of killing monsters and more than a dozen virtue drops, but not a single arti since the patch.
     
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    I can confirm, arties drop on lvl 4, the other side, from Cora, but I have not gotten any in lvl 3. I have only hunted a few hours in lvl 3 though.
     
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    Confirmed for Lvl 3: 2 human Hephaestus, 1 garg Katana and 1 human Bow within the last 2 weeks (1h each day).
     
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    without side tracking i think navrey needs a serious look at, i regularly do her and even tried with a thief casting blade spirits and often people i see there are just using the rocks to slay her and only getting in a small ammount of damage. how about limitting the number of rocks that can be activated for navrey each time she spawns. can cora be done with a good old old school chiv/archer? dont have time to try today but she can solo quite a few peerless.
     
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    They should be rewarding poeple with Spirituality or Humilty virtues when completing waves in the void pool. It is time to introduce these 2 virtues !! Anyone have ideas of what could Humility and Spirituality be for ? Humilty could reward a player some more % chance at a drop for the next peerless killed or boss . Spirituality could reward a player with in-game bonuses like casting focus for mages or immunity to curses,poison,bleed,mortal for a limited time ( 5 minutes at Knight would use a blue bubble )
     
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    I don't think you could finish a Cora with a archer, without a tank it's a tough go.