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Craftable Soulstones need adjustment...

Discussion in 'UHall' started by popps, Feb 15, 2010.

  1. popps

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    I think that as they are, craftable Soulstones are hardly used and, therefore, need adjustment.

    Why ?

    Well, to make a soulstone fragment with 1 use and 1 only, it is necessary to use up 2 Crystal Granules (which need to make them 2 Shimmering Crystals) and 2 Void Essences.

    http://uo.stratics.com/database/view.php?db_content=gameitem&id=2804

    Now, unfortunately, Shimmering Crystals cost on average about 250,000 gp each ( and they are extremely hard to find) so, for 2, it comes about 500,000 gp. Void Essence comes cheaper at like an average 15,000 gp each so, 30,000 gp for 2.

    This means, that the "making cost" for a 1 use craftable soulstone comes at the very least, some 530,000 gp. This, without taking into account time, skill training, resources used up for fails.

    Let's say, to consider a margin for errors and other things, that the making cost for a 1 use soulstone fragment is 600,000 gp.

    Now, Soulstone tokens with 5 uses cost about 1,000,000 gp which makes it an average of 200,000 gp per single use.

    The craftable soulstones cost THREE TIMES and with more hassle to make than the handy 5 uses tokens.

    Not to mention, that Red Soulstones as a 1st year Vet Reward allow the same thing, indefinitively, for free........

    No wonder the craftable soulstones are neglected and hardly ever made..........

    I think that either the number of uses on the craftable ones should be increased from 1 to at least 5 uses to make them a viable alternative to tokens, or the Shimmering Crystals should be made available as a gathering resource in alternative to being loot on Shimmering Effusion so as to make them more readily available and thus, see their price drop to a more reasonable, lower level.

    Otherwise, should things stay as they are, soulstone craftable fragments would remain hardly used because not much viable.
     
  2. Fermi

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    I agree.
     
  3. WarUltima

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    Oh jeez plz dont remind me the countless shimmer crystals i tossed out.
     
  4. ZidjiN

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    Seriusly how many posts do you make on Uhall each day?
    Post count +1 i guess...
     
  5. twoburntfouryou

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    Your Rude ....... And I agree with Popps
     
  6. Serine

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    I dont know . Why should it be based on what it cost to buy the resources . When you can go out and get them your self . And that way the cost is 0 ,
     
  7. Viper09

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    They should come with more charges I agree. Maybe have the charges = to the amount of each crystal needed.

    But yeah, you can't base arguments on the prices of items. Players set these prices, which I assume you read from vendors in Luna. Luna in case you're unaware is always overpriced.

    Also keep in mind that the 5 charge stones will not always be around.
     
  8. Ezekiel Zane

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    Yes they will. When they're mostly gone, enough people will complain that crafters aren't making them due to cost. Instead of fixing the problem, the devs will give us millions of them again as gifts.
     
  9. Viper09

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    Well, ok. If we get them as gifts again they will always be around. But instead I hope they make the craftable soulstones a tad easier to make. Such as lowering resource cost.
     
  10. house4saleUO

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    Really get them yourself??? So you can solo shimmering effusions?? Do tell that secret. :lol: Sorry just being a smarty pants. Hehe
     
  11. popps

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    Well, maybe I am mistaken, but I had the impression that these Forums, particularly UHall, were specifically to talk about game's issues and to discuss ways to improve the game.............

    I guess I am just naive ?
     
  12. Aran

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    Your time may be valueless, but who's to say everyone else's is too?
     
  13. popps

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    Thing is, that, at least to my knowledge, the only 1 use for shimmering crystals is towards crafting soulstone fragments.

    Now, if the price of a resource cannot be used not even when that resource is usable only to craft that particular ware, then I do not know for what else it might be used....

    As in regards the price I estimated, well yes, it could be that somewhere they are sold cheaper but first of all they are not much anywhere to be found, and secondly, even if they were to be found, occasionally, as cheap as 200,000 gp or even 150,000 gp rather than 250,000 gp, the overall cost of 1 charge would still be double that of the 5 charges fragments.

    Not to mention, also, the fact that 1st year Veteran Red Soulstone come for free and have unlimited use......

    All this is quite a deterrant to make it feasible and practical for players to want to craft soulstone fragments.....

    At least, that's how I see it and that is why I was suggesting adjustments.
     
  14. Xalan Dementia

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    I solo shimmer daily so I cant complain on difficulty to get the resources but I do agree that a one charger is kinda lame. Like it was said, maybe make it based on how many crystals ya throw in.
    If they gave out soulstone frag tokens again, itd make crafted ones about useless. But the big picture is, UO store sells legacy tokens that offer soulstones, thats pure profit for them so why would they make it easy to acquire substitutes ingame? I know its lame but we are kinda lucky to get single charge ones i guess.
     
  15. popps

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    The thing is, for what I was able to understand, that among all Peerless Shimmering Effusion is the least hunted.

    Why ?

    Because it is more a pain as compared to the others and so players prefer to tackle all other Peerless but the Shimmering Effusion.

    Result is, that the shimmering crystals are almost non existant.

    That is also why Crytsalline rings are so pricey, because this particular Peerless is the least hunted among them all.

    And for a needed resource like the shimmering crystal it can become a problem, as it looks like to me.
     
  16. Guido_LS

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    Quit while you're ahead, for a change. Most people will tend to agree with you on this one. Void essences are a non-issue, and even the most skill deficient PvM'er can get more than a few with a short outing in SA. The shimmering crystals are the real issue for most people, and as a bottleneck for basically a worthless end result, does need adjusting.

    As it stands right now, the crafted soulstone is nothing more than a novelty, much like the craftable flasks, etc. And as a one shot, it seems they were never meant to be anything beyond that anyway.
     
  17. I've made a few and there too costly..at least make one shimmering crystal make one frag,sucks having to crush 2.Or let us crush old soulstones and frags.
     
  18. Ezekiel Zane

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    Being able to crush the used up soulstone frags is an excellent idea.
     
  19. Flutter

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    They are all complaints.
     
  20. Viper09

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    Yeah. But popps has something right here. At least unless he tries to bridge this discussion into something else...
    Edit: And dependent on if he keeps replying to posts that are irrelevant to the topic and then turns those into discussions. (added this after reading the below post)

    Agreed. Ingredients could be cut in-half for the soulstone creation. Instead of 2 Crystal Granules and 2 Void Essences, lets have it 1 of each.

    Additional idea: How about an option to stack the ingredients to make multiple charges on the craftable soulstones? Might make it more handy.
     
  21. popps

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    Everything is really relative......

    What to the eyes of some might look as complaints, to the eyes of others might look as attempts at improving whatever the "status quo" might be........
     
  22. Uvtha

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    Change current craftable frag to 5 use, add a new 1 user that requires like 10 crystal fragments or something.
     
  23. Mapper

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    :thumbup: Agreed.
     
  24. Stupid Miner

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    This is a good idea, this has been a noticeable problem ever since they came out.
    Ignore the other posters. Their accusations are self-defeating and hypocritical at best.
     
  25. Storm

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    I agree also!
     
  26. Kojak

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    just make it have as many charges as green crystals you used to make it up to 5
     
  27. Fink

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    You're missing the point.

    :popcorn:
     
  28. Poo

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    why not make them rechargable like the weapon engraving tool and the house stable thingy?

    make it a medium priced thing too.
    something that would offset the prices of the frag tokens.

    something that would cost ya say 200k per charge?

    meh?
     
  29. Sindris

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    What he said :thumbsup:
     
  30. AesSedai

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    - Aye, quite right sir, bravo... ;)
    :tipofhat:
     
  31. Konge

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    I was thinking that maybe you could crush 2 or more used ones to make a soul stone frag, that way they're easier to make, but your supply will eventually dwindle. Atleast as an alternative... Or be able to recharge them with something that you find, not neccesarily buy, like crystaline shards, or something more rare? Like a vorpal bunny[paragon]
     
  32. Winker

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    Yeah the bar should be lowered on this item. It could have been so useful/successful if it had been thought about a little more. Many people would have used these if the ingredients were more readily available to the crafter. The Shimmering Crystals part was just to unrealistic.