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Dark Guardian room, and glitches?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Loren, Jul 19, 2015.

  1. Loren

    Loren Journeyman
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    **Just want to be clear, I read up on pub86, global loot changes, Tmap threads, etc BEFORE making this thread, before trying to contact my shards Advisor (cool! didn't know we had those), and again, just to see if I missed something, due to specific things said to me yesterday, detailed in red type post #14 this thread. Never said I hadn't heard of loot changes.**

    I guess I did not get the memo. Not a nice welcome back to myself expedition.

    Fullscreen graphics, nothing changed from any other locale (although I have not died anywhere else)

    Here's what I am ranting about, that is different from when I used to farm those guys for low level maps :

    1. They no longer drop maps (3 kills no loot at all.)
    2. I see the chests... I opened one, (this bug sometimes repeats at bank or randomly with containers) - I had to open, close, then open it again to see anything inside of it. Translation: Open first time tooltip says "3 items 20 stones" but chest is empty. close it again, open it again, then I can see .....crap and NO MAP
    3. They now loot my corpse ? Well, thats handy, since they do it and disappear! Translation, came right back, corpse not in room. yay. Killed Dark Guardians, ....no loot, none of my stuff.
    4. Can someone explain to me wtf is going on with that room, and those mobs now? I had died in that room once before, no problem, I came back and there was my corpse, and DG's hadn't taken anything.
    5. Can someone provide a link detailing the changes?
    6. Is this a ninja-change ?
    7. Is it all just current bugs ?
    8. Should I stay away for awhile (since when things do not work right, or are changed with no notice I get very very irritated) *I get it, this could well be all on me. But.....

    9. I know you get the *xxxx rummages...takes an item* message, even when you are 100% blessed and there is nothing mob CAN take. This may be another bug. I witnessed it several times as I was getting pegged right after ressing.

    10. Fact: first death in the room, i saw the message from both dark guardians, then they despawned. My corpse was visible glowing yada yada, on the floor. I was back in less than 2 mins. Corpse gone, even though map said it was where I was standing on it, in the room. - No, it was not right next to the ...idk pedestal you call it (the place you get kicked out to, if you run in with a pre-cast, or you die next to the door, same place it boots you to. in the latter case, it handily places your corpse there too.) <<- That did not happen the first time, since I died in the middle of the room. EVERYTHING not insured, blessed was gone, corpse gone when I came back.

    11. Yes, I saw the 'similar thread'. about 2014 sometime. Does not apply here. And not everyone can just 'grab a sampire'

    "Those who are unfortunate enough to enter this room unknowingly will be pleased to find out that if they die and try to walk out of the door as a ghost, they will be teleported to a large statue elsewhere in the dungeon along with their remains." <--NOPE, not the first death. corpse marked as in room, and did not come out w me.


    SOLVED. Nothing to do with room or mobs. Something with EC and a setting I guess. Killed some spawn while looking for Keep plots (found 3 yay me), open corpse, empty again. After a 3rd one, I randomly clicked on blue bag (loot everything button) and nothing looted, but a list did become visible, and I could then right click and pile of gold, and w/e went immediately to my backpack. All good.

    /rant
    DOM
     
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  2. Loren

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    Thanks[@ Zuckuss offering help replacing stuff]

    Can't even remember right now, beyond what I had in bags, and 7 or 8 runes I had to go around and mark places. Had sense enough to put my 'spensive (to me) stuff in Bank before I went adventuring. (Thanks for reminder Ludes). Also fairly dumb of me to take my Tmapper down there, w no undead slayer, and a glass jaw (luck) suit. but it works fine for run and gun lvl 5 maps and below. Anyhow, prior to today (and I guess I mean several months) they did NOT loot, and always dropped a lvl 1 through 3 tmap. always. not so now. I am about 99% certain there were never any chests in the room before. I could be wrong. I thought maybe it was chest now held the guardians loot for some odd reason, nope. Waiting on advisor. I hear they have limited logs they can check, and maybe see what was going on. I could be completely borked, and was off on my timer for getting back the first corpse. But I was back in and died again within 5mins. I killed em the first retry. looted, nothing, fumed. Tried to leave the room, triggered another spawn, got destroyed.

    This time it DID do --> "Those who are unfortunate enough to enter this room unknowingly will be pleased to find out that if they die and try to walk out of the door as a ghost, they will be teleported to a large statue elsewhere in the dungeon along with their remains." But there was definitely only one corpse with only insured,blessed stuff. on other repeats, of approximately the same time frame, indeed there were 2 at the statue. along with 2 or 3 outside doom (thank you spawn, kinda had no options, walking to a diff healer would have taken too long), Le sigh.

    I appreciate offer of replacement stuff. I will respectfully decline. Failures like this breed caution, and planning. Caution and planning kill alot of things.

    -DOM. errrr, I mean Loren
     
  3. Loren

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    Also just now hearing about EC graphical bugs, like having to open a chest or container multiple times, to see what is inside. Or when getting dressed after a death and I drag item to paperdoll from backpack, I have to close and reopen backpack to see that the item has moved. Would be great to be able to double-click an item after you loot your corpse and re-equip it, just a thought.
     
  4. Merus

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    I think if you die in the room it and run out the door so you get teleported... it teleports our corpse with you. So whatever room you find yourself tossed into, that is where you will find your corpse.
     
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    Yes that has always happened. however the lack of maps is actually quite infuriating. The lack of communicating said information is even more so. gonna head down there now to take a peak.
     
  6. Loren

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    Yeah. Except the body wasnt with me after i left and I watched them loot before I tried to leave. they both looted me and then they poofed. super not kosher. lol. thanks for going to looksee. Maybe I just took a second too long to get back idk. hmm what is the body timer now? idthink Ive ever missed one. That means zero chance to get ur items back (when they loot and poof like that). They ALWAYS used to poof if you died, they didnt wait around, hence the reason that they didnt used to loot you. and whats up w the chests in the room?

    bah. thx again for looking.
     
  7. Fridgster

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    I can say that on Napa anyway the guardians are indeed dropping loot. I also killed myself in there and sure enough when I came through the second time after rezzing i was teleported to the statue you speak of. Contents of my corpse was also available.
     
  8. Loren

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    When you say loot dropped, do you mean on their corpses?
    Were there any Tmap drops?


    Were there chests present in the room? <<ok found answer to this on stratics ==> "At first glance the room looks like a nice and quiet spot in the dangerous dungeon, it even has a few treasure chests for the enterprising rogue." I guess chests were always there but I ignored them.

    Your description of killing yourself and coming in the second time, do you mean walking out as a ghost, did not port you to the statue, but walking in alive, did ? That may explain me missing a corpse if it did come with me. it is possible to leave area of statue without seeing it.

    What you describe is not exactly what is supposed to happen, I think, because stratics also says ==> "Those who are unfortunate enough to enter this room unknowingly will be pleased to find out that if they die and try to walk out of the door as a ghost, they will be teleported to a large statue elsewhere in the dungeon along with their remains."

    I just want to make sure I understand exactly what you are telling me, before I write out a bug report. So I am accurate. Was killing them w mage, but that never mattered before.

    V/R
    Loren
     
  9. King Greg

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    If they did remove the maps it was because of the abuse of cleanup points from the room. You could spawn 25 monsters at a time who would drop tier1-3 Maps every time and the room only had a 1 minute spawn timer after the last monster died. 2 Whirlwinds, some looting, and woosh 2500 Cleanup points.
     
  10. Loren

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    Well damn. Just got a 'verbal' update on how the loot changes have affected the gathering of tmaps, the tmap spawn type and difficulty and so on. Also that not Having maps drop from Dark Guardians, is as intended. Part of the new loot system. At least I found out before I subbed for more than a month or invested in rebuilding what I had going in my house before I let it IDOC. Not saying it's all wrong for everyone else, but it's all wrong for me. I do not at all, care for finding out as a surprise. Probably a few more awaiting me. I left when Shame and a few other things had changed over but the info currently on UOguide was still solid for Tmap stuff. Not interested in piecemeal bit by bit learning a new system or rules. I get that it's an attraction for folks. Not personally. I learn, full time. Do not want to put a great deal of effort into digging up information, to then learn again. I see the writing on the wall (for me) in the upcoming expansion and the way this was a surprise.... yeah. I'm out. No hard feelings. I liked being able to eek out a living and get enough mats to play w hammers and imbuing on a maxed out crafter. Working to making a sampire suit, etc etc. Liked doing it mostly solo, if I wanted a ton of company I'd be on ATL. Meh. It is what it is. *waves*
     
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  11. Loren

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    Perhaps. I just heard from an Advisor (on another shard, but I trust the word of people who can pick up the phone and call Messana/Bonnie), that it was changed as part of the loot revamp now applying to Treasure Mapping/chests/loots etc. I can see what you are saying as being a problem in general, even w/o cleanup points, with improved loots and new systems, 1 to 3 is soloable to a lot of people. Decent loot and $$ so the problem is then loot saturation and/or cleanup points. I get it. Can't argue with the logic. I never did the spawn like that. I took my old school pally/melee and banged em 2 at a time, enjoyed the pace. Yeah 6's and 7's are basically free, and there's a reason. Any time something is super cheap in this game there is a small, finite list of reasons. But rule number one, especially on a lower pop server like Cats, and with the amount of Whales having lives here (more power to them, I :heart: capitalism), well my point is, if someone could sell them for more $$ they would. And there is a reason they can't. Nuff said. I am no longer being productive. I appreciate all the feedback from this thread. At least I got an answer, and that is something.

    Opinions vary. Mine no longer matters nor applies here. Enjoy figuring out the new individual and connected mechanics and systems, and the new meta. Probably exciting for many. Peace.
     
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    How to make Dark Guardian Toast! By CaT the Slightly Blackrock Infected mage!

    Before making your Dark Guardian toast you will need a few ingredients!
    Orange Petals
    Undead Slayer Book
    As much Spell damage Increase equipment as you wear!
    Protection Spell
    Energy Vortex Spell
    Meteor Strike Spell

    Eat an Orange petal to give yourself poison resistance to help counter the effects of the poison gas that will pour into the room!
    Cast Protection on yourself so you won't be interrupted when you start choking on the poison gas pouring into room!
    Open the doors to the room and cast some Energy Vortexes into the room before you enter it!
    Enter the room quickly and as the doors seal behind you cast invisiblity on yourself!
    As the room fills with poison gas and the dark guardians enter, cast meteor strike and toast Dark Guardians til done!
    Quickly loot the smoking remains and leave the room! If you stay too long (about a minute or so) the doors will seal again and more poison gas and Dark Guardians appear! So be ready!
     
  13. Rodge

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    They still drop maps I did it today, I stand outside. Open door and cast ev's . Open door run in and loot and back out.
     
  14. Loren

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    **Just want to be clear, I read up on pub86, global loot changes, Tmap threads, etc BEFORE making this thread, before trying to contact my shards Advisor (cool! didn't know we had those), and again, just to see if I missed something, due to specific things said to me yesterday, detailed in red type post #14 this thread. Never said I hadn't heard of loot changes.**
    What I posted, is what happened to me, on this evening, on Catskills. I should probably edit the posts so that is more clear. While we are on the topic, perhaps, I received bum information. As in, I was informed Dark Guardians would never drop them henceforth. Yet Rodge just pulled some. Hmmm. What exactly has changed about how many Guardians and what types related to facet map is from, spawn as opposed to this list here :http://www.uoguide.com/Treasure_Maps

    What is the corpse time to decay now? That could be a factor. Maybe the DG didn't loot and I just saw the message like you always will. Main troubles are in red.

    I took a look in the Treasure Hunter section and did not read anything that sounded any different than before, except for the stats on loot coming from Tchests. So maybe someone was yanking my chain or attempting manipulation/coercion, e.g. 'hey buddy its changed and its tougher now so lets roll together' ... but maybe not. All I can confirm, is that I killed 4+ pairs of them, and got squat off their corpses, zero each time. It was not like the bank box/backpack bug where I open container first time, and a normal item/weight count is displayed BUT visually it is totally empty, then upon closing and reopening it is normal. What went missing from my pack after 1 death, was of course everything not insured/blessed. Im pretty sure DG didnt loot 7 runes, 4 bags, and a few thousand gp. I have no way of knowing if my corpse went to the statue the first time I rezzed outside. Either way, I was dead and back at statue within ~5 mins, and there was one and only one corpse at the statue, and never one I could recover in DG room, despite minimap always showing corpse inside DG room.

    This thing tonight with the Dark Guardians, was first open, second open, third open, curse like a sailor (well I was one), etc, 0 items on corpse. Not just no map, nothing. I did no EV's, but I could have... 120 magery, but I digress. My primary issue was that I got boned out of items from my corpse. I could be wrong , but I distinctly remember never getting looted by them, idk. No I just ran in and as soon as they spawned got off 2 meteor strikes, (kinda forgot I only had Scrappers, and I had left my UD slayer book in bank, so they were still alive after 2 MS. whoops), but that has zero to do with:

    • [*]They dropped nothing. Ever. Tonight.
    • I was looted and they disappeared
    • I will go to my grave (pardon the melodramatic phrasing) swearing, that the death/corpse/ghost action did not function correctly the first death and thereby I may have never even SEEN the corpse from death one. It was still in room when I walked out as a ghost. It was still showing on minimap as in the room where DG spawn, the entire time, even when I came back in after a rez, entered room, killed new spawn (cursing since no items were on them again) and stood exactly where dot said my corpse was. Tried clicking around, nada. Then, after trying to leave, and losing fight, and hence my 2nd death inside, when I walked through doors as ghost, I got poofed to statue, and I saw a single body there.
    • I get rezzed, come back to it, it is empty. After death 1, The only thing left was 4 runebooks, the towels and broadswords from anniversary, housing tool, and my suit, all of which is insured/blessed stuff. So there is nothing for mobs to loot at that point (although client will still show you the message in red type saying **blah blah rummages through corpse and takes an item** as well as when you click your body and you get **you quickly gather your items** (paraphrasing), even though there is nothing on your corpse at all, since all you had left anyway was blessed/insured. I hope this wordy paragraph explains the death/looting of my corpse issues.
    • I have been informed, perhaps erroneously? by an Advisor (nope not name dropping, don't ask) that:
      • Dark Guardians no longer drop Tmaps at all much less guaranteed lvl 1 to 3
      • Tchest Guardian spawns are now more numerous/difficult than they were prior to new loot system affecting Tchest/Guardian loots
      • In general, all Treasure maps have lower frequency to drop from a mob since new loot system began to affect Tchest/Guardian loots
    It seems like here at the 11th hour, there are still some folks trying to help. I appreciate that, very much. It just feels like I am talking in circles or being misunderstood about what my questions are. That is on me. I tried to be very specific with this reply to illuminate my concerns. So @Rodge: can you tell me :Are you on Catskills? Did they drop a map every kill?

    @Anyone with time/knowledge or authority to answer/comment on the items in red : is one, 2 or all 3 of those statements true? I can not find anything definitive on it in writing anywhere. I've been googling and reading for 2+hrs. Tired now. Character Name was Animagus, on Catskills, in case anyone with ability and time to do so can look at logs (if they exist, with pertinent info).

    If this is not the appropriate place to seek the information... who/where can I email ? Does this constitute a bug ? It seems like the type of thing that would be in writing somewhere, but I looked to the best of my ability. I can't even find a publish release saying Tmaps/loots are now affected, but via discussions in the forums about what people are getting out of chests in the last month, I can see that the loot has changed in Treasure Chests. As far as the DG room specifically, apparently people used to go in and somehow (groups?) and get a max spawn of 25, WW, loot and rinse repeat. I had trouble spacing the bodies with 4, and being able to open, loot, before the next spawn.

    So how is 25 mob corpses, looted within the 60 second respawn timer even possible? But that is another question entirely. And I kinda don't care.
     
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    The 100 point maps are much more common. Honestly I make much more in cleanup points doing Gold Eles in blackthorn. 2.5 points per ingot. Plus you get a blackthorn item once in a while and I've pulled a couple ss10/DI jewels off them.
     
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    Roger. Thanks for the info. I've got to learn that sometimes there are going to be bugs, and I should have gone and done something else. No one made me waste several hours of time, but me. I was just doing them for maps and loot to 'splode, when I wanted quick easy fun (can just insta nuke lvl 3 spawns). Still waiting to hear about the stuff in red. 'Suppose I can go find out for myself. Running Prot and UD slayer book, should 1, definitely 2 shot 2 DG's. Now I feel silly about raging yesterday, but I won't delete threads. One of my pet peeves is people that start running mouth, and then wipe evidence. Nah, I'll own my whines. :) Such a good mood today, I think I will make some nice noob suits.
     
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    Are you still not getting maps? Just went there again after reading your new post and pulled a map off each one. Is this something that will eventually effect all shards? If so that is kinda disappointing.
     
  18. Loren

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    Don't know yet. Last night there was an Advisor whom I was informed wanted to follow me down there, and see what happened. E.G, watch me kill, loot, die, etc. Never found out how to contact them. Its cool. Right now I am riding around looking for spots to live again.
     
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    Just did a trip down on Catskills and on the two I killed I got 2 maps one lvl2 and one lvl3.
     
  20. Loren

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    Think I figured it out. Not sure why it is happening yet. I killed some random spawn while out looking for plots today. Noticed the same thing with some ogres, open corpse, nothing there..until I clicked the loot all items (small blue bag button), nothing looted, but it brought up a list of items, that I was then able to rclick and it automatically went to my backpack. I'll just leave this here as *Solved* Seems to happen again every few mobs, maybe it has to do with crossing server lines or areas ? Thanks again for the help in looking into it.
     
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    Ahhhh your using EC? That by default is always the problem (Ducks and hides laughing insidiously)
     
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    By the way. They have this item called an Undertaker's staff. If you are a certain distance away from your corpse., you can use it and it will summon all corpses within it's radius to you.
     
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    When that happens, click the green "+" sign in the lower middle of the container to switch to list mode and back to grid mode.
     
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    I can't see any changes I still get a map off every Dark guardian.
     
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    That might be handy. My pastime other than farming is finding odd or way out there dungeons and trying to clear them.
    Correct. There are no changes. I was misinformed, hence did no further investigation. I found out it was a simple graphical bug by happenstance