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Dead Scripter....

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Kylie Kinslayer, Jan 16, 2011.

  1. Kylie Kinslayer

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    So I was in Tram Jhelom bull pen working taming. This guy who was olbviously scripting taming was also there, and one other person happened to come in. Well, long story short, a drake got tamed and renamed a bull, scripter dude runs and jumps on the drake and tries to tame it... Drake was having none of it...
     
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    I must agree, LMAO, (awesome tactic) but be careful man, he just may page on you for harassment, if/when he returns. And we all know how that is likely to turn out. :( How DARE you ruin his unattended game experience, lol
     
  4. Kylie Kinslayer

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    Nah, wasn't me man. I would not have posted if I had thought of it rofl.

    Funny thing is he is still here on Atlantic trying to tame bulls dead :lol:
     
  5. mr_warpig

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    That's beautiful :thumbup:
     
  6. Kylie Kinslayer

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    Wish like hell I actually knew how to record a video. It's funny as crap watching him run around in ghost mode trying to tame them :lol:
     
  7. Sevin0oo0

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    thanks, great post
     
  8. ilot

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    I think the real thing that happened is someone tamed a drake, renamed it a bull, release it in the pen wich is outside guarded zone before or after killed the scripter.

    Script is not looking for "a bull" name but for the "bull animal item" on the screen. There is no way a script taming bull would tame a renamed animal "a bull" like that.

    Releasing a pet in the purpose of killing someone is not recommended, your better just to kill him directly and take the count wich can appear up to 7 days later when the scripter log back in...
     
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    well, someone is scoring points again with the righteous brigade her on stratics. Just let people be. Not advocating for scripting, but geez, don't post it here to score points and definitely don't make up bull - stories that don't even add up. So tired of these gloating stories. At least this "scripter" is paying for an account and is part of the same game you are playing. THat is, if you weren't busying yourself with other people's ways of enjoying the game... and for your information, my taming is at 98.2 after 8 years of paying for my accounts. so no, i don't script taming by choice.
     
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    What I understand from the story is that scripting is all still out there, even though months and months ago we were told of the now famous spreadsheet and all that.

    Was a Game Master also paged to check out the suspected scripter ? Did a GM show up ? Was a note to the paging player sent informing of what action was taken ?

    Bottom line is, is there a sound and real effort to eradicate scripting and hacking from Ultima Online or not ?

    I have been waiting for years now to see something conclusive done about scripting and hacking in this game I play, I am still waiting and losing patience to still wait, seeing not much light at the end of the tunnel.

    On a side note, why script skill gain with all of the SOTs that are out there ?
     
  11. Beer_Cayse

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    Er, reread where this was ... Tram Jhelom. Unique way to take care of a Tram situation.

    altho like you and others point out ... this could cause some grief for the person letting the drake loose.
     
  12. Petra Fyde

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    The most entertaining solution I've seen posted to this particular script is the person who cast a gate to a town in the path of the scripter. Easily avoided by an attended player, and removing the scripting character from the area without putting him in danger of losing any items through death - thus leading to accusations of griefing against the gate caster.

    To answer some of popp's questions. Yes people using this script are reported and suspended for varying lengths of time. I will, if required, give you the url of a thread referring to such a suspension. There will NEVER be a note to the reporting player of what action has been taken. That is, and always has been, against EA policy.
     
  13. [JD]

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    The righteous brigade police is a little annoying. I was actively training a melee skill in luna the other day and some asshat would run by and invis me.

    Though I do like to go to the Fel jhelom farms and score some kills on people.
     
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    Well, but something needs be done to inform the player base, nonetheless.

    I mean, other that hear say and a friend reporting news from a friend of another friend, how many chances do players have now to see what is being done against cheating in Ultima Online if players paging are not informed of Game Masters' actions ?

    Player A pages a Game Master about player B either scripting resources or skills or in PvP or else like speed hacking etc.

    Player A knows nothing of what was done and thinks the page was useless....

    I am not sure what would be the best way to inform players about the actions being taken against cheating in UO but I am convinced that something should be done to better inform the player base of what is actually actively being done to stop or reduce drastically cheating in Ultima Online.

    Especially, since I am seeing quite a few returning players and it could be important to have official informations out that cheating in UO is being actively fought against with results so as to keep the returning players' trend up.........

    Just today I met on a shard I play someone who came back to UO after being 6 years away........
     
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    Lets get a dead scripter pic thread going.

    [​IMG]
     
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    My thoughts too, Totally disagree with scripting but I'm not with those who kill them either. Just call a GM and leave.
     
  17. canary

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    I don't see scripters like I used to, but the OP was really LOL funny. :thumbsup:
     
  18. Kylie Kinslayer

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    To kinda quote Kelso off the 70's show.... What has two thumbs and likes dead scripters... :thumbup: This guy lol

    Not sure what shard ya play on but they are still pretty rampant on Atlantic.


    If some of you will look in the op I said long story short.. Could there have been an actual bull close to the drake? Yeah, I guess. When the other dude told me his plan I went and snagged my stealther to watch, if ya look in the screenie you can see my stealther :) .. All I know is when I got back the scripter made a B-line straight for the Drake and began taming. Yes, the drake was wild when I got back and don't know if the other guy turned it loose, OR if the drake just happened to go wild due to inattention {nudge-nudge wink-wink} :D

    Either way, I really don't care. Another scripter dead, works for me. Although I do like what Petra said about the gate deal, just wish they didnt have the check box to hit Fel now....
     
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    I do remember finding a silly scripter trying to train taming while dead, which made him a perfect candidate for paging on... can't really say you're "attended" when you've been chasing down a llama going OOoOoOO for a few hours. And considering at least 5 tamers spotted what he was doing, it didn't take long for him to vanish.

    I don't break the rules if I suspect someone is a scripter, in Jhelom it's easy to just herd the bull out the pen. Often the bot just stands outside the pen looking confused. I give them a minute or so, then open the gates and let them back to it. Then I page once I see a clear indication that the player is not present. I find pages work best if you let the bot do it's thing in the most obvious way possible. Dead bots are funny, banned ones are better...

    I do other legal and safe things to bots which break them, but I try not to give the script writers pointers in that respect ;)

    I don't feel any remorse if a bot dies though, I just respect the Tram rules enough to not risk my account on a lazy cheating player.

    Wenchy
     
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    Scripters slowed down for a month or two while after it was announced that they had a program to detect 3rd party programs and there was a spreadsheet of suspected accounts, but after several months went by and no word of mass bannings, the scripters pretty much called the report "BS" and fired their bots back up.
     
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    Yup lately I see tamer bots in tram and fel taming bulls. Another less known spot is the healers grove in Illshenar.
     
  22. ress me plz

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    ...belive me, now you can use scripts all day again, they don't ban you anymore...
     
  23. Beer_Cayse

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    Up NE of Minoc (LA Tram) was a cave in the mountains that used to be chock full of Reapers. I got dumb (once!) and walked in there unprepared. Shades of grey in seconds!

    Mebbe a quick "let's mark a rune to here ..." run then do the gate stunt. If your shard is like LA that cave should be the death (literally) of the scripter who hits gates. Getting the rune marked may be a bit iffy tho.
     
  24. Kylie Kinslayer

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    Good thought. Think I will make one to a couple of the stuck locations. Too bad Old Haven aint still around .. Would be cool to see three or four scripters stuck in the bush trap :)
     
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    Usually a gate into the wilderness requires a confirmation gump.

    If the script does not consider accepting the confirmation gump to passing the Gate I would imagine it would not work and the scripter would not cross the gate.....
     
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    If I remember the posts made months ago, the mentioning of the spreadsheet, I cannot help getting a feeling of sadness about it.

    It really is sad for me to see Ultima Online still so much plagued by cheating....
     
  27. Petra Fyde

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    Please don't let your enthusiasm for hindering scripters lead you astray. There were reasons why the scripter I mentioned was gated to town. One was the lack of a confirmation gump, the other was the desire of the person gating to not be banned for griefing!

    Personally I rarely see scripters, I don't go looking for them. If I happen across an obvious candidate I will page and continue on with whatever I was doing when I found them. Scripting is wrong, but stopping it shouldn't become an obsession
     
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    When they used to do it in Fel for the double resources it may have not been an obsession but I certainly would call it a meta-game!
     
  29. [JD]

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    I was calling BS on the "spreadsheet" to begin with. Done in secret, no information released. Purely PR campaign. The only people they caught were UMing or other things. There was no detection because there are people who have been using "those programs" for months.
     
  30. There are scripters working bushido and a myriad of other skills in and around the Luna bank, gate and East gate/archway every night on Atlantic. What gets me is that they script so blatantly. I mean, if you're going to do that, why not do it in your house in the wilderness somewhere?

    I concur with calling BS on the spreadsheet of scripters. I expected mass bannings but I still see the bots that scan vendors for the vendor websites and the bots that drop books all over the place every day. I page on them and days/weeks/MONTHS later they are still there doing the exact same motions over and over.
     
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    I agree, that is pretty much a very good indicator that the problem is NOT getting the attention that many players think it should.........

    "If" cheating in UO had been receiving the attention it should have, then the gathering of data through scripting should have ended months ago........

    What I do not understand though, is WHY we were told about the spreadsheet and all the rest if then today we are still seeing cheating as rampant in Ultima Online.

    Why tell us something if then today, after months and months we still see much cheating going on ?

    I do not understand..........
     
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    This is my favourite from when the Painted Caves ladies were active:

    [​IMG]
     
  33. unified

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    Scripting will always exist as long as the 2d client exists. Those programs will not work with any other client.
     
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    list never existed was a stalling, attempt till they could try figure out a way, they couldn't even with more pages during time of posting with supposedly having a list they couldn't have an effect!!

    only true attrition of cheaters, scripters is less peeps willing to buy things from them!

    if there was a list it would have been acted upon to point, someone would have come whining that they got banned blah blah, this didnt happen so list wasn't acted upon
     
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    Of course, Petra, if the course of the rail being ran would take the person out of the guard zone in a couple iterations (a rail that ran between two local spots, as opposed to one that involved the scripter recalling, where movement at the spot gated to would be blocked, resulting in an altered course once or twice along the way), you could have gotten in trouble.

    A better place would be, if you had a rune that still worked, to some obscure rooftop or void in a city wall. If I was to do something like that, it would be to the roof of New Haven Bank or the like....
     
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    I'm pretty sure if they got rid of the 2d client it would't take long for someone to tweak the program to run on the new client. I gave UO a rest for about 6 months after I came to the conclusion that the Devs really wasn't going to do anything about cheating and gave some of the free facebook games a try, and it was nice for a while until the longer I played the more I realized there were more bot players that UO ever had and all the developers of those games were interested in was throwing more content that you had to spam "please send me this" or spend real money. I ended up saying screw this I'll go back to UO. Bottom line, any game where there is competition there will be those that will cheat its just that some people do more to combat the problem than others. Just wish UO would at least try.
     
  37. unified

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    Reality dictates this, however, patience also dictates that those who had time to write the original scripts no longer has that kind of time. In fact, I am aware that there has been no recent involvement in programming that original platform, except for the free shards that use the 2d client, or some variation, exclusively. As it is, the move towards developing for the EC is slow and so time-consuming that those not willing to learn a new programming language are loath to venture forward, even if the 2d client no longer existed. Bottom line is that the tools necessay to script the EC do not exist.

    I would wager that by the time something does exist, the advantage the current scripters have will be gone in as much time that EA will have taken safeguards against any new efforts. That's how modern program work, and is something the 2d client doesn't have. :wall:
     
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    I didn't do it Basara, I only read about it on here. The only thing I've ever done with a scripter is invite a GM to investigate his peculiar behaviour.

    My training taming days are long behind me, and I didn't train at Jhelom farms anyway. I prefer to train in a less boring way. I trained almost exclusively on aggressives. They chased me, I didn't chase them. It resulted in me being pretty competent at lead taming by the time I'd dodged scorpions, giant spiders, frost spiders etc.
     
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    I'm pretty sure there are already scripts out there for the EC client.

    Only disadvantage the EC has is, you could no longer run 4 clients on one machine. 2 if your lucky..
     
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    How hard would it be to simply code the 2d client (and the EC also...) to be incompatible with 3rd party programs so that the UO client would shut itself off each and every time it finds some other program running ?

    Want to play UO ? Sorry, can only play UO, nothing else.....

    Those who need/want to use other software can have a separate OS session where they do not run UO but run other things of their choice there....

    There could be a few exceptions of course, like UOAssist and the UOCartographer, for example.

    Bottom line is, make it clear rhat there need to be a time to play Ultima Online and nothing else, and a time to play whatever else one may want but NOT also Ultima Online....
     
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    "Just wish UO would at least try".........

    I have been wishing to see something actively and conclusively done for many years now, and over several Developing Teams.

    I am still waiting, and it really is saddening not to see much light at the end of the tunnel....

    The thing that is most inexplicable to me, is why on earth, if making UO a cheat free game is not of much interest, then why using cheats in Ultima Online is not just allowed to any and all players.

    I mean, I can understand either not wanting cheats to be used in the game and enforce the prohibition OR I can understand as an alternative, allowing cheats to be used in the game. Fine.

    What I REALLY cannot understand is having a prohibition to use cheats in the game but then not do much to make it so that the game is really cheat-free. How much sense does this make ?

    None to me.
     
  42. unified

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    Not complicated at all ... just illegal. :thumbdown:

    Edit: If you know the specifics of the program to block, it might be possible. However, just like viruses and spyware, developers of the cheat programs can very well disguise their programs to mimick legitimate programs. Greater still, a script is a sub-component of a larger program (engine) and you cannot deprive a player from running the larger program for other purposes while playing the game. It would be very difficult to determine the underlying script. Even that script engine containing UO in its name can refine its offline purpose, making it nearly impossible to justify depriving players from playing UO while it is running. The cat will never catch the mouse in this cat and mouse instance.
     
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    I think if there was a way to program an entirely unhackable uncheatable game, we'd have heard about it by now ;)

    It's surprising to some how ingenious folks can be when they don't want to do something heh.

    I think the spreadsheet does exist and they can detect cheats, I just think in some cases they're not hammering the cheats as hard as they could.

    Once recently I reported a bot and it turned out the player was there watching, albeit not doing a darn thing. He escaped the GM. Otherwise though, all the recent bots I've reported vanished. I got back into training one of my younger tamers again and went from 3 scripters in the pen (oh the fun of 3 dudes trying to release and kill a bull that wasn't theirs!) to zero. So I'm not going to say the GMs aren't doing anything, because I've seen that they do take action. I just don't think it's harsh enough in some instances.

    Wenchy
     
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    That's easy. In fact, it happens automatically whenever there's a patch. Then the scripters modify their program so that it works again.
     
  45. ress me plz

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    You don't understand that EA don't ban the scripters, because a scripter pay a monthly fee, like anyone else, and EA want the ca$h
     
  46. Sevin0oo0

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    In light of the recent 'change', I've been Trying to just stay out/away from Any issues.
    Below is Just my OPINION, but I have a question

    So what's/who's more wrong...
    scripters trying to make a little money in this Wonderful economy
    Those (read vigilantes) that would lure/gate on a scripter (rule breaker vs rule breaker)
    Those having a really good laugh about the antics
    The paying UO customer who actually plays and wants to buy the stairway to heaven via a webite that sells skill training services
    Posters(even fixated ones) who also aren't very good at keeping people at the negotiating table to get problems fixed.
    Those who have/want-to restrict the above posters, in what they can even publicly say
    OR The company who is ultimately in charge of all this?

    I think More laughter is needed - Happy people are more productive, less negative, more creative, and also able to bounce back easier when things get really bad(like buggy botched boosters). I feel blessed where I live (IRL),the local free newspaper is always filled with stuff: upcoming peach/other festivals, interesting reader submitted photos, or articles about people being helped, etc - nobody getting griefed, for sure.

    Negativity is just Human Nature - Watch any TV channel's news, it's all about Negative Bad stuff, over & over & over(obsessed?). Rare is the times when people say "Thanks, Great Job" instead of pancakes, it's just Not in our nature, maybe why News is so popular, as are violent movies. A forum is a focal sounding point for people to express themselves, if they aren't pancakes, probably means they aren't playing. They're gonna complain Somewhere, or they'll quit coming here, next they'll quit coming to UO. When I see the word FORUM (and I'm a somewhat active member of maybe a 100 different ones), first few things I think are: a manner to express my thoughts about things 'I' think are wrong(complaints), getting help with Problems(bugs/user errors) and helping others.

    Voices must be heard, causes taken up, and ground stood - Just like the UO spawns, there Must be champions. IMO, there are Several Legendary ones right here on this board (Mods incl.) for the work they provide. There would be none w/o people pancakes, wouldn't need 'em, which makes the circle complete.

    thank you for reading, have a nice day -> GO Play UO!
     
  47. i think the issue with this is that many of the 'scripts' that make money, drop books, and farm up tons of resources are from UOAssist itself. it is just very simple to write complex macros that do the work for you, while still being at the computer, on multiple accounts. there would have to be A LOT to make this game un-'scriptable' and the enhanced client is really one of the best ways to do this. considering i can't even get my UOAssist to run enhanced client, there is no way to run macros for me. i'm sure this doesn't stop people from using other 3rd party programs with enhanced client, but to act like UOA isn't responsible for some of this, is just irresponsible.

    i'm all for the banning and punishment for those who abuse macros by allowing them to run while away, at work, or not in front of the screen in general. as a FREQUENT long-term macro user myself, i have been investigated by multiple 'GMs' asking to see if i was there, so be assured, they are looking and probably keeping track of who's doing what.
     
  48. Kylie Kinslayer

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    That was the reason I posted the original story. Never thought it would spin off into the deep end of the pool.



    Just my opinion of course, but those that script, use cheats and exploits etc are worse than those trying to do something about it. If EA/Mythic is considered the long arm of the law I would equate those that page a GM on them as Hall Monitors. I guess vigilante could be used to describe those the try to do something via in game mechanics {legal or not}. After all, vigilantism happens when the public "thinks" law enforcement has failed in upholding the law. Judging by this and other threads ALOT of the population in UO feels that way.

    From a personal standpoint when push comes to shove I could care less if someone scripts and uses cheats or not. It does not effect my game play in the least, except for giving up on PvP until they get that junk stopped. If I happen to run across a scripter I may or may not try to think of a creative solution, I may page or may just walk on by. Just depends on what kinda mood I am in. If I am bored then I am more apt to get involved, but don't go out of my way to police what is hopefully already being policed by those that work for EA/Mythic.
     
  49. Cloak&Dagger

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    Highly doubt there are any cheat type of scripts out there for the EC, not like I have looked but it is highly doubtful given the interest in UO and the focus of the people who actually do code this stuff being taken to other mediums. (work and such)

    And I can still regularly run 4+ EC clients ;)

    I think it would be longer than most people think, for one it is not as easy, for two the focus on uo is low, and for three 99% of all cheaters are just users, none of them could even modify the code of the scripts they are using, let alone the code of the program, or even program a cheat themselves. (not grouping most UO players in here, just the cheating group at the current stage)

    Of course with time anything can happen, but given the nature of how the EC "Should" work, it would be much easier for the Developers to battle against cheating in that client than they could in the 2d client. Of course there is always the end all cheat of simple pixel reading, but then that is far more limited than the memory reading we have going on currently.

    Nearly impossibly actually.

    How is it illegal? It is their right to allow you to use the game or not, so limiting your ability to do so based on what is running is not illegal. If you need legal proof of this just look to WoW and their lawsuit that basically makes it legal for them to search any part of your computer while you are interacting with their game. I agree the justification is low, but then the programs in question are basically only built for this one function, so you could base your justification on what they are meant to do from the creation side, not what they could do from a finalized project side. But of course with the way things are going, and how they are, it is nearly impossible for them to even detect a cheat program on a computer, and aside from a re-write of the 2d client it is impossible for them to check for what is hooking to the client (unless I am mistaken and they could add this more easily than how I am thinking currently) Also mostly impossible for them to check to see what is catching and reading memory before it gets to the client in the first place. Lot of reasons why this will never work, they can never prove who is cheating aside from looking at a player and taking it upon themselves to be a judge and say "ok that's impossible ban them" But do you all really want that? Consider for a moment the kind of CS we currently have, GMs who are not even aware of the name of the game you play? Do you want them to judge?
     
  50. Cloak&Dagger

    Cloak&Dagger Guest

    Curious, are you saying that cheating is stopping you from pvping currently? Or is it just abuse of certain bugs? (such as the mystic double interrupt currently) I have never felt I lost to someone who cheated....And only once or twice did I feel cheated of a kill due to what I thought was cheating (but I could be wrong thus never accused the party)