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Dear new dev teams. I wish and pray you put a lit on the CC client...

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Mandrake of DF, Jun 1, 2014.

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  1. Mandrake of DF

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    We got the old look, old futures...even vet rewards we need double compared to ec client.

    I wish, bigger game frame window...and - the futures as using crystal portal to dungeons as in ec.

    Put in macro futures as in EC.

    I can never stand to convert to EC, just hope you listen...I am sure I am not alone.

    Plz devs...Wish you a great summer.
     
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    Seriously if they could of done all this they would of by now you would think, but who knows
    not sure what ya mean by using crystal portals to dungeons, but there is a vet reward you may get that telaports you to the dungeon entrances.
     
  4. Spiritless

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    So, you want most of the EC stuff but say you don't want to convert to the EC? Okay then...

    Use it non-stop for a month. You'll get used to it soon enough.
     
  5. Aran

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    Nope.
     
  6. Uvtha

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    I have to second that "nope". The art mix is simply horrible, and it honestly spoils a lot of the game for me. It plays so much better, of that there is no doubt, but the aesthetic experience is vastly inferior to the CC imo.

    Then again I also hate 99% of all the new art in the cc for the same reason. The only difference there is that I can avoid the new out of place art most of the time, especially in my own space.
     
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  7. Winter

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    The number one reason the EC graphics aren't as good as they can be is because the Developers tried to appease the CC users. They should never, never have done that. But as far as usability, the CC isn't even close.
     
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  8. Flagg

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    According to every single poll I've ever seen about the matter, around 60%-65% of people playing UO prefer the CC. So you aren't alone at all. no.

    Sometimes it is easy to really miss some of the functions of EC. Then I remember how horrible it looks and missing ends. There was a time when I tried forcing myself into liking it; I'd do selected few activities on EC, thinking and hoping it would grow on me. It didn't.

    All of my characters look horrible on EC. Characters of my friends all look horrible on EC. Most of the pets look dumb on EC. There is a number of technical issues in EC that irritate me but we don't even have to go there; player characters look wrong and horrible. When it comes to aesthetics, player characters are the single most important thing UO has. No matter who you are and how you play, such character is -always - literally in middle of your screen.



    CC has appropriate enough name; it looks a timeless classic.It ages with grace,dignity and class. When it comes to graphics and look, CC is pretty immune to biting of time in fashion similar to a late 90's SNES games or 50's Disney classics. EC on the other hand looks like a poorly made mid 00s Shareware game. CC looks old. EC looks cheap. Cheap is worse.
     
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  10. Spiritless

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    I don't think they look "worse." They just look slightly different. I find using the CC looks weird to me now after exclusive EC use, and I was a big supporter of the CC before I actually tried the EC properly and embraced the enhanced functionality. For me, those extras were worth the month or so of going "wtf that looks a bit odd."

    I'm not a client evangelist anyway. I don't really care what people use. I just think more people would enjoy the EC if they took time to readjust to it. The different graphics are a small price to pay for what it offers imo, especially via Pinco's UI.

    As I've said before though, if EA/Broadsword/whoever are intent on supporting 2 clients then both should be fit for purpose. The CC isn't fit for purpose right now in my eyes because of its poor support for high resolutions and lack of anything resembling what a new player would consider a usable UI. It even requires a 3rd party paid app to make it semi usable. I personally think it's a travesty that a new player could very well conceivably download the Classic Client and get the impression that represents the UO experience because I honestly consider it broken in its current state on modern machines in the eyes of the current gamer who aren't UO vets. Hell, you can even argue the EC isn't fit for purpose either out of the box without using Pinco's, but I believe that is being addressed. :)
     
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  11. old gypsy

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    As the old Tareyton smokers commercial goes, "I'd rather fight than switch."

    CC... :cheerleader:
     
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  12. Tazar

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    And as I've informed you in the past - your polls are biased and not providing accurate information - and I've told you why.

    Mesanna stated back in the last Video Interview with the team that usage is right at 50/50 between the two clients. I'll take her word for it any day.

    Some prefer CC, some prefer EC. It is a personal preference based on what you set as your priorities... but I do find it funny that CC users constantly ask for EC features. Sorry - the Dev's have stated over and over again that it's just not possible due to the structure of the original coding unless they do a total re-write... which is what the EC is.
     
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  13. Flagg

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    Pretty sure I have only ever made one single poll about it so you can drop the plural.

    I can't think of a better way for - UO Community - to acquire information of (and by) itself than Stratics forums. With this in mind, I find it little odd and mildly insulting that you, as Stratics mod, are so eager to belittle the role and potential of these forums in this and rather, simply dismiss such efforts of community as " biased" and " inaccurate".

    I myself don't find it strange at all that people playing sub based live-Dev MMO occasionally ask and hope for new/more features for their client.
     
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  14. Tazar

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    You made a single poll, but you also passionately drive home points from other polls. You also know better than the above comments about Stratics and my point of view - and I've explained to you why in this case the polls are not an accurate measure of client use. I also find it "a little odd and mildly insulting" that you are basically stating that Mesanna gave inaccurate information at the last Video Interview.

    Lets agree to disagree and move on. This thread does not need to become another client war thread or it will end up locked like sooooo many others.
     
  15. RockoNV

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    Broadsword is wasting resources by maintaining two clients and only one should be maintained and developed. Then, the devs could develop more content and have a few more updates (UO has tons of content but lacks fresh content.)
     
  16. Flagg

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    Well yeah, I sure do. Providing info for others to refer/use is one of the reasons any poll ever made is made in first place.

    If I recall correctly, you made some vague implication of people sabotaging the polls by using multiple forum accounts. Since you never really expanded on this..accusation or provide any actual numbers or such on how common something like this is, I'm not sure what to think of it to be honest.

    Pretty notable portion of UO players are married couples. Some play with their children or grandchildren. It makes sense for husband and wife, for example, to have same IP and seperate Stratics accounts. I'm 101% sure you applied benefit of doubt here;p

    If it is something more apparent..i.e one guy using like 10 obvious dud accounts to vage some oddball crusade against a client or whatnot, why does Stratics allow&tolerate it?

    When I made a poll about this it had been years since a developer gave even vaguely detailed numbers of client usage.
    I take Mesanna's word for it, sure. Though I'd love to see devs provide them numbers rather than settling with their interpretation of them. What is done using EC? What is done using CC? For how long does average CC/EC account remain logged in game? Etc. I'm sure much of this can be seen by simple glance at some info feed or another from servers. It'd be interesting stuff.

    CC vs EC makes a really weird,unfortunate and interesting setting. It is plain weird old MMO with small dev team has ended up in situation where they need to keep two clients in live-dev. No matter which client you prefer, all can agree that it is plain vexing!
     
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    Sheesh not again..
     
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    From a buisness stand point..why on earth would she say oh yea 80% use our old client..and we wasted all this money on a new client, that a fraction of our user base uses..so download it NOW!!

    There aren't very many EC users at all realistically..take a poll amongst your guild in game..don't base anything on what a Stratics poll says because it's an extremely small % of actual users..

    We have about 35-40 people allied/guilded amongst 4 shards and I know 1-2 people use the EC 100% of the time, other use it to IDOC, or find items in a bag but very few use it to actually pvm/pvp..I've played with 100's of different people throughout the years and it seems to be the coon consensus. Now granted that's a small group to base it on..so log into as many English speaking shards as you can and spam general chat on client preferences. You'll get 5-1 people say CC..but maybe we can use our now known Siege logic with the 2 clients too..

    Just because you don't see us, doesn't mean we aren't there..

    I personally don't care what client anyone uses, and myself WOULD use the EC if spell fields weren't so ugly and it wasn't so buggy.

    Give me the ability to alter the art files (spell fields, animations and such) and I'll use it 100% because it is more user friendly..just an ugly early 00's graphic overhaul..


    Here borrow my grain of salt to take it with...



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  20. Tazar

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    I have surveyed my guild... And we are over 80% EC with only a few holdouts. Each group is obviously different.
     
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    If they would stop locking discussion type threads there would be no need for people to bring up the topic again..instead of moderating the forum and just simply removing brash posts and "moderating" use they just continue locking these type of posts from PVP vs PVM / Red vs Blue / EC vs CC..it won't ever end

    But I do have a question for you specifically..why even post sheesh not again..did somebody at your house force you to open and read this thread? Was there some mystical invisible Jedi type force that drew you to read yet another CC vs EC battle of dimwits..or did you read 1 or 2 posts and decide not to read the rest and post a non constructive post based purely at trying to get fan boys like Galen and Weins to simply bump your likes count? Because it isn't productive or constructive..just curious..


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    What I find funny is that most EC users come here crying for the CC to be done away with. Like it is what is ruining their gaming experience. Heaven forbid the devs take time to also maintain the client that started the whole MMORPG genre 16 years ago. Who is dumb enough to believe taking away the CC will give increased resources to the EC that will make anyone happier?
    They cant simply be happy with their particular client and be quiet?
    CC users simply come here asking for a little CC love and get bashed. Its a joke.
     
  23. Lady Storm

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    Tazar is correct Mesana did say that it was 50/50 on useage.
    Also he is quite correct it is a preference with a few of us who CAN'T use it.
    Now if we really want to get down to brass tacks on this, CC as it says quite clearly is the ORIGINAL way UO looked.
    Far be it for me to point out the 9000 lb. Elephant in the room but here goes...
    Compairing UO's version of EC graphics to any other games is moot. Let's face it ours suxs..
    With all the aditional stuff Pinco and the Dev have done its understandable why many would go to use it though.
    The only drawback is the look of the EC... *
    *(to explain the reasons some of us cant use it is very simple: some people get sea sick others dont its a brain chemestry and inner ear thing, you cant change it)
    To most its an improvement... but I would like to point out something...
    None of you say much about the look..
    Not one of how beautifull the land looks or how lovely the houses are.
    You always point to the advantages the EC has such as the controls your able to use, pouch boxing etc..
    Yes the items you use give great advantage over the CC user.. Why do you think many ask for something comprable in CC?
    Can you not see that most of you use EC for the advantages offered by the "Stuff it gives you over CC and not the Look?
    If someone would have shown me how the EC looks way back at the start of UO as the way the game would look playing it.
    I'd have passed on the game completely... quite frankly its god awfull!
    I'd of told my nephew "HELL NO< do your own fishing...thats ugly."

    As for you all who didnt start UO as some of us did 17 + years ago...
    Stop the pushing for an end to the CC.
    If not for that CC your EC would not exsist... have some respect for those of us who want to keep it status quo.
    Your wanting to change or get rid of the CC is tantamount to house panters taking a bunch of buckets of the new paint to the sistine chaple's ceiling! You just got to know when to leave a good thing alone.

    Be happy you have the EC.
    We will be happy to stay in CC.
    Now this is the end of bashing ether side of the coin guys. :)
     
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    Yay! EC vs CC again.. :next:
     
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    Mesanna's number should indicate actual usage, but realize it includes those who occasionally run the EC out of necessity. I can't stand the EC's look, but once in a while I need the EC's grid view to find something that's hidden. On the other hand, my preference is the CC.
     
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    I don't like the graphics in the EC and this is the only thing that keeps me from playing it. I can't stand to look at the game window for any amount of time, it just annoys the (expletive deleted) out of me.

    Because of this, since requests to resize the game window of the CC will continually go on being harassed, I request that the EC be changed to use the CC graphics and animations...Then and only then will I ever consider using the EC.
     
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    Heheh, is a great point actually. It is nice how much room for interpretation these numbers always leave as long as the formulas and details underneath remain hidden. : p

    Ie I remember logging in EC like three weeks back when making spell books. This means that during May, I used both CC and EC. Certain way to read these numbers makes me some kind of a 50/50 user person who " Enjoys both clients equally".

    I don't have some epic desire to question or doubt Mesanna's words. It's just that Devs have perfectly understandable and valid desire to white wash EC at every change they get. Devs and community as a whole would all love a new client that everybody likes, uses and enjoys using. Devs want EC to be that client. It ain't.
     
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    These 'client wars' are unhelpful and damaging to the community. Let's not have them. Some people like one client, some the other, some use both. There is no need for either group to berate and castigate the other.
     
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