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Despise Encounter with "the brothers"

Discussion in 'UHall' started by MisPrinTed LiEs, May 29, 2013.

  1. MisPrinTed LiEs

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    Ive seen people discording Andros during the final battle and was wondering if they are actually successful in discording him. I have been operating under the assumption that Andros and Adrian could not be damaged by anything other than pets so I have been taking the discorder pet along with me. Is it possible for a player to discord Andros and Adrian during the battle. If so, why bother taking a lowly discording pet when I could just discord Andros myself with my bard. Anyone with helpful and knowledgeable information please respond with their actual experience or if you have successfully discorded either Andros or his brother Adrian.
     
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    You can definitely discord Andros. Don't need a pet for it.

    About the effectiveness of the discord, I have not verified the numbers.
     
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    Yes you can discord Andros with your bard, and yes he goes down faster when you do.
     
  4. MisPrinTed LiEs

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    Would I be able to use the animal lore skill on him since he is human to see his stats? If that was possible It may shed some light on difference between a "player" discord or a "pet" discord. I would venture to say that discorded is discorded, but I want to know if there is a difference because I was not able to see much of a difference in length of battle with a group of 3 including one bard that proclaimed he had discorded Andros. It seemed to take just as long as if we were fighting with all archers or naba's or hellions.

    On the other hand, same group went down and this time we had a lvl 15 phantom, other 2 pets were lvl 10 centaur and a lvl 10 dendrite, the bard player was asked "not to discord",the battle took half the time, seriously...first battle took all of 45 minutes with the bard player discording Andros supposedly. The second battle barely lasted 25 minutes with the bard player not discording and just letting the phanton discord during the battle.

    How is it possible to KNOW that the boss has been discorded. What can I do to make certain that Andros or Adrian has in fact been discorded by player if we do not bring a discording pet ?
     
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    No less than 120 discord to be successful ?? Would I be able to discord with anything less, say 110 or it would be an epic failure?

    Do you know of any other skill's or things that can be done directly to Andros that will have an affect on him besides the discord?
     
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    It might be possible that the Phanton discords a little stroinger than a player might be interesting to figure out, since you are asking the questionsmy guess is you dont have the ability to test it yoursself?
     
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    Not really but Im interested in seeing if there is that much of a difference. It did grab my attention though at the difference in length of the battle, the pets did change but amount of players didnt change. Only the fact that a pet that discords was brought on that second battle and it did seem to shave about 20-30 minutes off the battle as opposed to the battle where the player discorded andros. Just got me wondering really if anyone knew or had some hard values on what the differences may be.

    Dopesnt really matter if you have a fairly sizable group going in, but the times Im able to play there arent many people on that want to do Despise, all despised of Despise I guess, so I usually go in with one or two other people at most alot of the time. Not really by choice or because I want to do it alone or because Im greedy; there just isnt alot of people doing Despise runs during my free game time.
     
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    Animal lore does not work on Andros. Presumably discordance is based on skill level...

    100 disco = 12.5% loss on 160 bard difficulty
    120 disco = 14% loss on 160 bard difficulty
    160 disco = @16% loss on 160 bard difficulty (unless there is a hard cap at 14%)
     
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    My experience is that if there is a discorder player in the party, the group is better off selecting a high damage output pet for the discorder and letting the player disco Andros.
     
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    Thanks
     
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    Yeah,,i had that bard in that one group I was in but I dont have a bard myself, but I think I need to work on one really.would see alot more strategic to take a bard and let him do the discord and grab a tanking type pet.

    Can that wisp be provoked?
     
  12. Quickblade

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    No the wisp cant be provoked but I know 4 others ways to bring down Andros faster...
     
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    In addition to discord reduction based on skill, success chance will also be influenced by skill. Success chance can also be affected by the type of instrument you use (not aware of any slayer for Andros, repond maybe?), the bard mastery you have and the vitrtuoso suit if you activate it.

    Against a 160 difficulty mob I think the best success chance you can get to is like 60% success chance (not sure exactly how the bonus is added). With less than 120 skill, no slayer instrument, no bard mastery and no virtuoso suit you chances will be less.
     
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    Faster? Do tell lol
     
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    Also remember that the critters your pet is fighting to level up can be discorded, so a bard with a high damage output pet can train much quicker.
     
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    1. I you have a Bushido or tamer in your group tell him to bring a lesser hiryu or normal hiryu and make attack Andros, lesser hiryu special attack will drop Andros physical resist by 9% not sure about the normal hiryu % drop ...

    2. Not sure if you can bring no mount pets in there , but if yes, bring a rune bettle, its special attack will drop Andros all resistances by half...

    3. Bring an Archer in the group, imbue a lava infused crossbow with hit lower attack 50% and hit lower defense 50%, lava infused will make Andros in negative -60 Hit point regeneration, and the hits lower will make Andros negative -25 hci and -25 dci which help all the rest of the group and pets.

    4. Bring a Mace fighter in the group with a serpenstone staff and chain some crushing blows at start to drop Andros stamina to 0 ( can put hit lower def/attack on the staff too). After few minutes ,switch for a lava infused weapon to keep the -60 HP regen, not sure if it can stack with the archer.

    5. If you have a bard in the group, choose discord masteries and do both masteries that reduce SDI, str, hci of Andros.

    6. Archer could also take a Yumi and chain some armor pierces which increase all other incoming damage by 10% for 3 seconds...

    thats it my friend good luck
     
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    You should at least understand the Andros encounter before you post crap like this.

    You can not have more than 1 pet slot occupied in despise.
    Andros takes no damage from player attacks.
     
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    Didnt know about pets was just guessin,
    Well I didnt mention any direct damage from players, except the first 2 pets arguments all my 4 others points were ''special abilities/effects'' which affect andros as normally , so what crap you talking about Merus? Learn the game abilities before answering crap like that
     
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    quote:
    Bring an Archer in the group, imbue a lava infused crossbow with hit lower attack 50% and hit lower defense 50%, lava infused will make Andros in negative -60 Hit point regeneration, and the hits lower will make Andros negative -25 hci and -25 dci which help all the rest of the group and pets. unquote

    isn't this a player attack?

    have you tried any of the crap your shoveling?
     
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    You are also just guessing on all of the others because you have no way to verify any of it works coming from a player.
     
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    Yes I did try all the crap I said, anyways I wont bother to post here anymore and tell my tricks to you ,as all the crappy mouths start to answer as soon as I post... the archer arrows wont do damage but th hit lower attack and def and -60 regen will proc if you watch and listen carefully so whythef*** u all come here and start the crap, are u jealous of my smart and wise tricks ?
     
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    Huh look at my previous post, when the abilities proc u can view or listen to them, only thing that is hard to verify is the stamina drop with crushing blow but you can notice it by seeing Andros swing slower, anyways bye
     
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    When you hit him with a weapon it makes the same sound as when you hit any other mob, but does nothing to Andros. Sounds prove nothing. Just like your post about what effects pets would have you are guessing... Proved by the fact that you can't even take pets inside.

    Furthermore, once Andros is discorded his attack is fairly worthless against a level 15 pet... and I have yet to see a level 15 of mine miss an attack. What advantage would HLD give you even if it could proc when you never miss anyway?

    IMO you came in here spouting off your super secret tactics that you use on other mobs (which are great tactics but hardly a secret) with no real experience or verifiable methods to support them against Andros.
     
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    Fairly worthless? I Mean, how can HLD or HLA be a desadvantage ? The pets will take less hits which means it need less healing and they will hits more often which means Andros die faster (maybe few minutes faster but still betetr than nothing what ya think?)... all my points were and are still correct except pets which I guessed and I told it that i was guessing.
     
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    Your initial argument was you had tactics to kill Andris faster... Even if you could prove it worked, how does less healing kill him faster? Even if you could prove HLD worked, it provides no benefit to a mob you never miss anyway.
     
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    How ya know that pets never miss? Less healing means ill be able to do crushing blow with my mana instead or pierce armor or whatever I want bard masteries, etc, damn Merus you know the game better than that. All i am saying is it will be maybe 5 minutes faster no more im not telling you that Andros takes me 5 minutes to kill instead of 40, im done with you, bye Merus
     
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    Again, IMO, you are wasting your mana doing any specials on Andros because I believe they have no effect. I tried several strategies using hit effects on him and found no discernible difference in the damage my pet did. I can tell that I never miss because I never do Andros without at least 1 archer under my control. I can see the arrows fly and the damage numbers come off Andros.
     
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    Its ok you can beleive what u want, I beleive that special abilities (no direct damage) work on Andros, if a Dev could come and confirm would be nice :D (i am talking about HLD, HLA, searing weapon, pierce armor incoming dmg increased and discord bard masteries)
     
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    I tossed the question into the ask Devs forum... Would be a good question for our Ask and Answer.
     
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    Appreciate all the info this thread generated even if some wasnt really relevant to Andros encounter, maybe there are other places some of those tactics would be useful. I agree Merus, it would make a good question, and I will be keeping tabs and see if it's chosen to be answered.

    I guess when i began this thread I was more interested really in who ould make the better bard during the Andros encounter. I have learned a player can definitely discord Andros or Adrian so thanks for sharing that info.
     
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    What are you using to battle with? Rabbits? 20-30 minutes shaved off the battle would mean you should be done and started training a new pet for the next round already. With 2 or 3 people it should easily be done in less than twenty minutes. TOPS.
     
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    That would be assuming the people Im with know what they are doing and not getting targeted by everything and running around like a madman. Or the off chance that a pet gets stubborn and decideds he isnt going to fight in either mode. Things do happen and not every run is always successful depending on who answers the call with you. Some people are doing it for the first time and have no clue, not everyone is a veteran UO player.
     
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    All of the available pictures on the internet, you had to use mine for your avatar ?
     
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    I haven't tested with the numbers, But a trained Phantom or Satyr should be able to lower Andros/Adrians resistances more so than a player (because of skills being above 120.0).
     
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    HAHA the truly funny thing is,,i didnt even put this avatar up,,it used to be a killer clown avatar but since you dont seem to like it, guess i will just have to keep it :p
     
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    Strange - I could have sworn I've provoked it before with my bard/tamer (6x120 + 100 magery)

    I was in a group of 4 or 5. I cursed both Andros and the wisp to lower their ability to resist my barding, discoed both, then provoked the wisp on Andros. I had to keep really on my toes with invis if the attempt failed.
     
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    what are the 2 - 3 best pets to use to kill him ASAP?
     
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    I don't understand the comments by Quickblade at all, you can use direct damage on Andros? How do you do that? Every time I have ever used or seen others use direct damage, they or I were dead in seconds and thrown with their corpse upstairs. I must be missing something here.
     
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    disco character is the best , take an archer on the cliff-teleport down -drag andros over-archer pet will hit him and he cant hit archer so you dont have to heal just disco. plus when your training your pet disco help train him faster
     
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    Kind of depends on your party and how actively you want to participate. I think a player bard is essential no matter which option you choose.

    I believe the mare (not sure of the negative karma equivallent) has the highest dps because of its ability to AI. However, it also requires active healing.

    The easiest tactic is a group of characters with archers who stand on the ledge and lure the boss to the east side of the bridge. A little bit lower dps than the mare, but really doesn't require much effort. Note that with only two archers there is a chance that they will run out of arrows before the boss dies and you are basically sol. (Possible this has been fixed, but I know it happened to me more than once in its early release so I always take at least 3 now).
     
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    I think you can pretty much ignore all of his comments in this thread. Aside from discording him, anything you "might" be able to do by hitting him with some sort of hit effect is so marginal that it is not even worth the bother. (in reality if you use the archer and stand on the ledge it's utterly pointless to do anything but disco him) All of his other comments about bring some pet are utterly irrelevant to this encounter.
     
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    Okies, thank ye, I thought here all these 100's of times we'd done Andros that we'd been doing it wrong........whew. I'd also like to see the guy that said more than 20 minutes with 2 people is overtime. We have done it literally hundreds of times and we have a player 120 discorder and use mares and there is no way 2 people can kill it under 20......... but 30 yes, can be done but it usually runs over that with 2 people.
     
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    Im still pretty sure that an archer spamming pierces armor could reduce the overall time by almost 10% but yea might not be worth the effort just to save 2-3 minutes
     
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    Armor pierce adds 50% of base damage as a bonus dealt as direct damage. As a player hitting the boss your base damage is zero... 50% of 0 is still zero. Not sure it would help at all. The only way I think you could interact would be some effect that makes your pets attacks more effective. Once it is discorded, I'm not sure that is really possible... An example "might" be to use a naba that uses poison damage and corpse skin it... But then any physical damage you do would be reduced... So prolly not worth it.
     
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    a legendary player bard can discord away 28% of skills / resists while a level 15 bard beast can discord away up to 43% !!!

    Healer & bard beast combo - both at level 15 - can do it when you have no player bard available
     
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    Andros, Andros, Andros ! Its always all about Andros !

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    Give the wisps some love too. Wisps give drops just like Andros and die ALOT faster :) .
    I'd take 15 chances at a drop killing the Wisps and getting good loot than bothering w/ Andros.
    One party of 4 got 5 drops killing Wisps until the timer kicked everyone out.

    Prob one of the little known "secret tactics" I'm gonna get yelled at in game later for revealing :gee:
     
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    Don't worry, you were the only one who knew about it.
     
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    Pierce armor add 10% of all incoming damage by any player or pets to the target for 3 seconds bro :

    Armor Pierce, now applies a “pierced armor” effect to the target which increases all incoming damage to the target by 10% for 3 seconds with the exception of direct damage special moves. Ranged weapons with this special move will not reset duration if target is currently under the effect.

    Pub 81
     
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    The "pierced armor" effect should work on Despise bosses providing your Despise creatures a damage boost from quick glance of the code.
     
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    What about hit lower defence?
    If it also works, it could be interesting to have a dexxer there with two bards running peace and provo masteries, and a 30% physical eater suit whacking at Andross to make it easier for the creatures to hit him.