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Detect Hidden and Cheats???

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Mordocuo, Sep 6, 2011.

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  1. Mordocuo

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    If the owner of a house uses detect hidden and it reveals nothing yet there is someone there does it mean the person is using a Hack?
     
  2. Xalan Dementia

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    might not work if your flagged, when flagged it acts like its not your house so you cant access secured containers and probably dont have the ability to auto reveal. Check the wording of the detect hidden failure. if it says you check carefully and reveal no hidden people in your home then you have the owner privilage if it says you detect nothing then you dont have the rights and must be flagged.
     
  3. Mordocuo

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    I am referring to the owner of a public house in trammel using detect hidden.
     
  4. MalagAste

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    I think people that are co-owned aren't revealed...

    And if in a castle anyone in the courtyard is never revealed.

    Also... you have to target the floor NOT the carpet.
     
  5. Mordocuo

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    Not a CO Owner not a castle and no carpeting

    Just a thief in Trammel who brags about what they do yet somehow they cant be revealed--sounds to me like a hack.
     
  6. Viper09

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    Ok, being that this is trammel how do you know for sure that they are in the house? Not hard to stealth in and out of a house and eject yourself while remaining hidden.
     
  7. Cloak&Dagger

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    It wouldn't matter either way, "Hacks" do not exist, cheats do. Cheating only can occur on one side of the client, people are not tricking the server into thinking they are not there. So something else is amiss here.
     
  8. Omnius

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    OP, or OP's friend used detect, began unlocking items down, and THEN was robbed.

    Detect hidden is not a persistent AoE. It's a simple AoE. It checks once, and that's it until you use it again.

    Useful info on detect hidden
    http://uo.stratics.com/content/skills/detecthidden.shtml
     
  9. Viper09

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    It wouldn't matter either way, "Hacks" do not exist, cheats do. Cheating only can occur on one side of the client, people are not tricking the server into thinking they are not there. So something else is amiss here.[/QUOTE]

    Yes it would matter. Because if the person isn't in the house then of course detect hidden wouldn't reveal anyone. And yes cheats exist but we can't automatically assume that there is a cheat going on before we know for sure there is a problem.
     
  10. Omnius

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    100% sure there isn't a problem.
    1)The mark used detect while the thief was outside the mark's house.
    2)The mark then engaged in a series of tasks.
    3)The thief then entered.
    4)The mark then was robbed.
    5)The thief then left.
    6) *ASSUMPTION* The mark presumably used detect again after step 5.
     
  11. Poo

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    detect hidden is an offensive skill.

    the use of offensive skills in tram is not allowed, since everyone is huggy bear blue.

    hence you can not detect or 'reveal' people in tram.
     
  12. Viper09

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    True, but I'm pretty sure it reveals people in your house. Worked when I lived in tram, but that was some time ago.
     
  13. Omnius

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    works in house in trammel.
     
  14. Entheeya

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    'Detect Hidden' works in your own house in Tram,
    It works 100% of the time.
    And it works when you have 00.0 skill
    If you want to be sure, make your house private then use
    the skill....
     
  15. Cloak&Dagger

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    We agree, you just took my post wrong. :)

    I was arguing that no "Hacks" exist so therefore no one is tricking the server, so they did something wrong in their testing more or less.

    In short We should not assume something is a cheat because the cheats that are available can not cause such havoc, although I guess there "could" have been an exploit, but I doubt that is the case.
     
  16. Lady Storm

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    I read exactly what he said in his 3rd post... he is talking about something someone is bragging about. Sugar never beleave what someone brags if it sounds too good... Always check it out unless its a illegal thing to do. If your not sure of its legality ASK US. The people of this board are the most knowlageable fokes you ever wanted to talk to. If its been done they know of it.
    As was pointed out in Tram you as owner can reveal any who is hidden in your home...
     
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    99.99% of the time you are correct, unless there is a bug which circumvents the skill. I don't know if there is or isn't such a bug, but if there was/is...the person in question would more than likely have knowledge of or pertaining to it.
     
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    I didn't think the posting of bugs or exploits was allowed on these fine forums!
     
  19. Capn Kranky

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    in a house - in any facet - detect hidden is 100% if used by a friend or higher on house security. been that way since shortly after Tram came into being.
     
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    I lost a haunted chest this same way, I sorta blame myself for not making private then securing it down. Live and learn is all I can tell you because whatever you lost you wont get back, you may be able to replace the items. I would suggest only if you know 100% for sure that you know who did it let others know on your shard who he/she is.
     
  21. Black Sun

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    Detect hidden will reveal hidden players in your house, regardless of what facet your are on, 100% of the time. But you and the hidden party must both be inside the house when the skill is used for it to work. If somebody is standing outside next to your steps, they will not be revealed.

    Posting in a manner that the details needed to replicate the bug/exploit are clear is not allowed. You can post about a bug, just so long as your post doesn't let other people replicate it.

    Here's an example:

    "OMG!!! There's a bug that allows you to get blaze colored skin!" - That's allowed.

    "OMG!! If you buy 15 oil flasks from the west brit provisioner and use them all on yourself, then run around vesper carrying a torch while wearing nothing but a pair of purple thigh-high boots you'll get blaze colored skin!!" - That's not allowed.


    So far I haven't seen anyone detail a bug in this thread. But if I missed it, please use the report post button so we can take care of it.
     
  22. Picus at the office

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    I'll just throw this out there cause it seems so funny but have you managed to reveal a friend in the same house?

    I'm sure that loads of people will say as much and that this "thief" clearly has access to hacks and tools that others just don't but I've stealthed around in ton's of house watching and killing people over the years never having a issue or needing a cheat to do so. More often then not the problem rests with the people whom make threads like these and not the sneaky people who seem to be the bad apples.
     
  23. Lord Frodo

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    Why are people still using this command "I wish to release this" when they want to remove an item from a locked down chest?

    Use this command "I wish to secure this" and target the chest. Remove item/move items around and then use this command "I wish to lock this down" and target the chest you want to lock down.

    Yes I remember when you had to release chests to change thier state and I do not know when it changed but you no longer need to unlock them to change them.
     
  24. Larisa

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    SERIOUSLY????

    *runs to buy oil flasks*

    :mf_prop:

    Detect Hidden is tricky, and if you don't actively detect like every second, people will slip by you.

    IF it's not a vendor house, and you are worried that you will get stolen from, make it private first before you unlock/move things around.

    IF it is a vendor house, and an item is locked down NOT in a container you just gotta be quick. Secure a container next to you OR under you, make sure it's open, release the item you want and immediatly transfer it to the secure container under you. Be on a large mount if possible so the thief cant see the container you're standing on.

    I've had 3 luna houses in my time, I learned how to be sneaky when moving items around.
     
  25. Black Sun

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    Yes, but you didn't hear it from me. ;)
     
  26. Risso

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    But you do need to unlock items to change their position in your house.
     
  27. Lord X

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    Maybe, nothing. What else would you do with your time?
     
  28. Shamus Turlough

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    Ok, enough with the passive-agressive trolling and accusation. This thread is done.

    [​IMG]
     
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