1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.
  2. Greetings Guest!!

    In order to combat SPAM on the forums, all users are required to have a minimum of 2 posts before they can submit links in any post or thread.

    Dismiss Notice

Devs: Additional Siege character slot for SA?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Kat, May 19, 2009.

?

Should Siege players get an additional character slot for the new expansion?

  1. Yes, I want to create a Gargoyle character!

    55.2%
  2. No, Siege has one character slot and it should remain that way!

    44.8%
  1. Kat

    Kat Crazed Zealot
    Stratics Veteran TnT/TnA

    Joined:
    May 12, 2008
    Messages:
    3,272
    Likes Received:
    425
    Has their been a decision on this matter? I think many of us are looking forward to the crafting and possibly PvP options that the Gargoyle race will give us, but without an additional character slot, it is my understanding that we will be unable to create such characters.
     
  2. LittleSkyWalker

    LittleSkyWalker Journeyman
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2009
    Messages:
    141
    Likes Received:
    0
    Additional character not just for Siege Perilous but also Mugen shard :)

    Happy to see that happen
     
  3. Petra Fyde

    Petra Fyde Peerless Chatterbox
    Stratics Veteran Alumni Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2001
    Messages:
    30,882
    Likes Received:
    5,165
    Sorry, Kat, this was decided. There wasn't a big enough majority wanted it, and some people deliberately set out to block it. I'll vote 'yes' again, in hopes, but I don't have too many. :(

    There is going to be a way to convert existing characters, as I understand it. There wasn't going to be, but the Dev's had a change of heart.
    If you want to refer back to the original poll we had when the chance was offered to us, it's here We got a 2/3 majority in favour, but I've a feeling we need to have something more like 95%.

    I wish the vote had been better, I'm dreading trying to work imbuing into my Siege crafters, I loathe shifting skills around on soulstones, but there's no way I can see to fit it in without.
     
  4. Blindside

    Blindside Guest

    so every expansion/ add on with new race, there is a new slot?? soon it will be please add on trammel so i can hunt in peace!
     
  5. Kat

    Kat Crazed Zealot
    Stratics Veteran TnT/TnA

    Joined:
    May 12, 2008
    Messages:
    3,272
    Likes Received:
    425
    Oh, Petra, I can assure you that if 95% approval was the goal for any change to Siege Perilous, there would never be any changes! lol I think one thing I have learned after years of observation, is that it takes us much more than one, two or even three discussions on any given issue. Oh no, we prefer not only to beat horses to death and then beat dead corpses, but to pulverize them into tiny particles of fine powder, my dear! :)

    Although, if we had two thirds in agreement, we're off to a nice start for certain!

    Another thing I have learned about Siege players is that we are prone to wanting more information and reserving the right to change our minds, as I have in this particular case. I was one of those who voted against an additional character slot, because I felt it wasn't in the spirit of Siege to do so. After having learned that we will not have the ability to change a character into a gargoyle, I feel we do need an add additional character slot for those that wish to participate in all that SA has to offer. I will not purchase an expansion if I am not allowed access to all it has to offer. Further, I feel it is ridiculous to expect that players should delete developed characters in order to do so. I will be doing no such thing.

    So now we have two thirds +1! :thumbsup:

    Blindside - I do not believe that Siege Players have asked for additional character slots with past expansions. Mondains Legacy introduced Elves and we were given the option to do a quest to become an elf. It is my understanding that is not going to be the case with SA, therefor, I feel an additional character slot is warranted.
     
  6. Rogal

    Rogal Slightly Crazed
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    May 12, 2008
    Messages:
    1,384
    Likes Received:
    5
    I voted no for game play/rp reasons. You are who you are on Siege. Your actions and reputation means something because you can't just jump onto an alt and avoid it.
     
  7. HaHa

    HaHa Guest

    Heh, 90% of us (if not more) already have alts on seperate accounts
     
  8. Harlequin

    Harlequin Babbling Loonie
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2008
    Messages:
    2,716
    Likes Received:
    32
    Yeah, do it like the rest of us and get multiple accounts! :p

    Ok, I haven't really played Siege actively for a long time, don't wanna devote resources for a house and soulstones on Siege. And my crafter's pack/bank/beetle is totally full from BODs...

    The extra space for a character slot is definitely going to help those of us living out of our bank box.
     
  9. Elfstone

    Elfstone Certifiable
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    May 15, 2008
    Messages:
    1,661
    Likes Received:
    1



    I'd say 98% of us have 2 + accounts on Siege Perilous.
    I had 6 accounts at one time and now down to 3.
    I personally would like it if I didn't have to delete a charater
    to play SA on SP and voted YES... :thumbsup:
     
  10. Petra Fyde

    Petra Fyde Peerless Chatterbox
    Stratics Veteran Alumni Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2001
    Messages:
    30,882
    Likes Received:
    5,165
    Just out of interest, Rogal, Do you play on Siege? The only shard board you post is Napa Valley. I play both Siege and Europa.
     
  11. RichDC

    RichDC Guest

    This is why i cant undestand people saying no, rather than paying for 2 accounts you can pay for one and have 2chars.

    This may be a reason why it wont be implemented, one char per account means more subscription $$
     
  12. T'Challa

    T'Challa Certifiable
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    May 12, 2008
    Messages:
    1,969
    Likes Received:
    15
    It's already been said there will be a way to "swap" races. This is unnecessary.
     
  13. Kat

    Kat Crazed Zealot
    Stratics Veteran TnT/TnA

    Joined:
    May 12, 2008
    Messages:
    3,272
    Likes Received:
    425
    Rich - This is a public poll. Take a look at the NO votes. I only see one there that plays Siege and one who tried it and went back to prodo. lol
     
  14. Patty Pickaxe

    Patty Pickaxe Certifiable
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2003
    Messages:
    1,955
    Likes Received:
    8
    I voted yes. I do not believe there is much integrity left in the "one char per slot" idea. Many of us already have more than one account, and with name change tokens people change their names all the time. Even if people try to
    "hide" their identity, it doesn't take long to figure out who is who.

    I may be interested in being a gargoyle but I don't want to change Patty. I didn't change her into an elf, I won't do it to be a gargoyle! But that is just me being stubborn. ;)
     
  15. Rogal

    Rogal Slightly Crazed
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    May 12, 2008
    Messages:
    1,384
    Likes Received:
    5
    I play Napa, Europa, Atlantic and Siege.

    Edit: Like I said I voted no because I like the idea of only one character with a history, for good or bad.
    Just makes Siege seem more personal to me is all *shrugs*
     
  16. Sprago

    Sprago Certifiable
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend IPKU

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2006
    Messages:
    1,768
    Likes Received:
    169
    If you play all those shards your not a active siege so why you vote on something that you dont even play often enough to care

    i play siege and i voted yes it would allow me to actaully make a crafter my alternate accounts are used for pvp or pvm i have no crafter this would allow me to raise one. i think this would be a great help to the shard
     
  17. Rogal

    Rogal Slightly Crazed
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    May 12, 2008
    Messages:
    1,384
    Likes Received:
    5
    Do you vote in RL? Have you spent every waking hour in the Senate while ignoring your friends and family? No?

    Well then, there you go.
     
  18. IanJames

    IanJames Certifiable
    Stratics Veteran Alumni

    Joined:
    May 19, 2008
    Messages:
    1,769
    Likes Received:
    101
    I'm definitely not against it. At this point I'm interested in anything that brings some life back to Siege.
     
  19. If you want to do one more character slot for Siege so you don't have to convert an existing character to the gargoyle race, that arguments is the same for all the other shards too. My character slots are filled with active characters and would like an 8th slot.

    So, add an extra slot for all shards, not just Siege.
     
  20. Tiberius

    Tiberius Babbling Loonie
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2008
    Messages:
    2,269
    Likes Received:
    47
    that arguments is so full of holes. What you are doing is akin to a person from another country trying to vote in one of our elections; your input is niether relevant nor desired.
     
  21. Bomb Bloke

    Bomb Bloke Lore Keeper
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2008
    Messages:
    850
    Likes Received:
    0
    Personally I think extra character slots would reduce activity on all shards, and have done plenty towards this already.

    By limiting what any given player is capable of on their own, players have to rely on each other to achieve a given end.

    This is likely a good part of the reason why Siege has a more active economy. It's not just that people need to buy armor and weapons more often due to the lack of insurance, they also need to buy other things as they lack the skills to procure them on their own.

    New players join the game and see it as a fresh new world where they can be anything. A blacksmith, warrior, whatever. Then they find out that no matter how good they get at their desired trade, they won't ever be "needed" in the game world because everyone is self-sufficient.

    (This is assuming they find their way to Luna before getting sick of things).

    Throwing in extra crafting skills without giving more character slots means only some people will be taking up Imbuing. Those players will need to rely on others for the skills they drop, and others will need to rely on them for the benefits of Imbuing itself.

    A MMORPG should be interactive.
     
  22. GalenKnighthawke

    GalenKnighthawke Grand Poobah
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    May 12, 2008
    Messages:
    6,641
    Likes Received:
    1,163
    I don't know why I'm always surprised by how many "make things easier on Siege" threads I keep seeing. Most weeks can reliably produce at least 2, despite Siege's reputation for not wanting things easy.

    *shrugs*

    -Galen's player
     
  23. TheScoundrelRico

    TheScoundrelRico Stratics Legend
    Stratics Veteran Alumni Stratics Legend Secret Society

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2001
    Messages:
    35,539
    Likes Received:
    908
    Nothing like changing the basic premise of Siege. One character, one account. Kat, we know you want to get a garg in the new expansion. Maybe you should just get another account...la
     
  24. Rogal

    Rogal Slightly Crazed
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    May 12, 2008
    Messages:
    1,384
    Likes Received:
    5
    Said the kettle to the pot.

    It's a public poll, a democratic system, don't like it? don't comment on it.

    It's still NO btw.
     
  25. IanJames

    IanJames Certifiable
    Stratics Veteran Alumni

    Joined:
    May 19, 2008
    Messages:
    1,769
    Likes Received:
    101
    Examples? That means 8 in the past month. I'd like to see those.
     
  26. Tiberius

    Tiberius Babbling Loonie
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2008
    Messages:
    2,269
    Likes Received:
    47
    Dont' play there? Don't vote on it. So far the only "VALID" no votes I see are T'challa, Rico, and Blinside. Almost everyone of the yes votes are SIEGE players, myself included. Pots and kettles? I play the shard in question so my opinion is relevant and valid. Yours is not; run along now.
     
  27. Tiberius

    Tiberius Babbling Loonie
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2008
    Messages:
    2,269
    Likes Received:
    47
    Rico, the multiple accounts changed the basic premise of siege from day one. I just like the fact that if everyone got a new char there would more demand for powerscrolls!
     
  28. And maybe more for soulstones.
     
  29. Tiberius

    Tiberius Babbling Loonie
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2008
    Messages:
    2,269
    Likes Received:
    47
    You make some good points but i should point out that just because one has a crafter account does not mean one wants to deal with crafting. I have access to almost all crafting skills but now that i have socked back a little on siege, I tend to buy from established merchants so I can spend more time either pvping or champ spawning (what I do for cash on siege). A dedicated merchant can do very well on siege because there are alot of us with my attitude despite having our own access to resources. If I understand it correctly imbuing, along with eval is going to tie into the new spell casting system being added so I am actually intending to raise imbuing on one of my mage accounts.
     
  30. Tjalle

    Tjalle Grand Inquisitor
    Professional Stratics Veteran Campaign Supporter Gilfane

    Joined:
    May 12, 2008
    Messages:
    4,842
    Likes Received:
    1,297
    I´d like to know more about this before I vote again...
     
  31. I may have misread it but i believed imbuing to be mysticisms eval. Like SS is for necro
     
  32. TheScoundrelRico

    TheScoundrelRico Stratics Legend
    Stratics Veteran Alumni Stratics Legend Secret Society

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2001
    Messages:
    35,539
    Likes Received:
    908
    Why? Because your guild and a few others are the ones who primarily profit from powerscroll sales?

    Owning multiple accounts is old...that's fine...but keep it one character per account. If you want additional charaters on the shard...you have to pay for them...as it always has been...la
     
  33. IanJames

    IanJames Certifiable
    Stratics Veteran Alumni

    Joined:
    May 19, 2008
    Messages:
    1,769
    Likes Received:
    101
    They do the work for powerscrolls, there should be a market for them.

    Rico, if we keep doing business the same way on Siege, then it won't move forward. Something needs to change over there . . .
     
  34. Falon of Eldor

    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2008
    Messages:
    569
    Likes Received:
    9
  35. Draxous

    Draxous Grand Poobah
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2004
    Messages:
    5,126
    Likes Received:
    29
    Regarding Rogal, his vote counts. I play both Atlantic and Siege and Petra plays both Europa and Siege. There are many of us who play multiple shards... just because you are devoted solely to siege doesn't mean your voice is any louder than someone who shares time there.

    On the other hand... creating a newbie char and never really playing the shard just to have a say is ridiculous. I respect your questioning of this guys credentials, but if he passes... move on.



    I disagree COMPLETELY. What you state here is an assumption. Production shards for years had 5 character slots and an active economy. The reason?

    No item insurance.

    From 1997 to 2003, Ultima Online had a well working economy where crafters crafted and players having multiple characters did not diminish from those who did craft.

    That is evidence based. What you suggest is completely unfounded worrying.



    The problem with Siege is that the players don't know what's best for them. They just don't. We have players like Rico who don't care what's best for the shard because they are stuck 8 years in the past, not realizing how much has changed or what the impacts of those changes have been.

    It's the same reason why I doubt we'll see monster loot and runic kits properly addressed. There are people who are stuck in the past and it hurts the majority of the shard... that idea too had a 2/3rds majority in favor of boosting PvM loot and runic kits.

    oh wellz

    Maybe the Devs will eventually take a look at this, consider these facts and set this shard on the right path... a path more in-line with the current times of UO.
     
  36. TheScoundrelRico

    TheScoundrelRico Stratics Legend
    Stratics Veteran Alumni Stratics Legend Secret Society

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2001
    Messages:
    35,539
    Likes Received:
    908
    My point being...if you add 1 extra slot, why not just go whole hog and completely change the system to have 6 or 7 slots per account on Siege. While we're at it, let's get transfers to Siege. Eliminate RoT? Why have anything different to the production shards? Let's bring in insurance and Trammel too while we're at it.

    Tradition my friend...tradition. My vote will remain no, to additional character slots per account on Siege...la
     
  37. Draxous

    Draxous Grand Poobah
    Stratics Veteran Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2004
    Messages:
    5,126
    Likes Received:
    29
    Because you have to go to an extreme to make a point? That in itself raises a red flag.

    Why not add Trammel, eliminate Felucca, allow character transfers, make 7 character slots, shoot rainbows up and out the butts of all players too.

    All because of 1 extra character slot.

    Yeah, so why don't we over react and just go the whole hog?

    Because your point of view is nutty... la.
     
  38. Rogal

    Rogal Slightly Crazed
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    May 12, 2008
    Messages:
    1,384
    Likes Received:
    5
    Amen.
     
  39. TheScoundrelRico

    TheScoundrelRico Stratics Legend
    Stratics Veteran Alumni Stratics Legend Secret Society

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2001
    Messages:
    35,539
    Likes Received:
    908
    Siege is different than the other shards. Because of this, yes, we are always going to have a smaller population. By changing things up to get more people to play the shard, what are we doing? making it closer to what people originally came to the shard to get away from. It's not like you can't have multiple accounts, by adding a single slot this time, what will be asked for the next time someone feels the shard is too empty? Another slot, more monster loot, etc....

    Yes I took an extreme example, but at the same time, why stop at one slot? You know the shard will never have the population of the production shards. IMO, that's not a bad thing. Would it make life easier on siege if each account could have multiple charaters? yep it would, personally, if a second character were given, I would shut off my second account. Why? because I could have the same thing I have now, but with one account. Will the devs like that? I doubt it (not losing my second account, but losing a number of accounts from current Siege players). Will it bring more people to the shard? I highly doubt it. It's such a small change and not even the biggest reason the shard is empty, it's not worth stepping onto the slippery slope...la
     
  40. Scuzzlebutt

    Scuzzlebutt Babbling Loonie
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2007
    Messages:
    2,215
    Likes Received:
    4
    I voted no. Dont feel the need to write five paragraphs arguing my decision. Do any of you actually believe that you are changing anyones opinion by writing a mini-series and quoting each other? Just vote in the damn poll and let it speak for itself.
     
  41. TheScoundrelRico

    TheScoundrelRico Stratics Legend
    Stratics Veteran Alumni Stratics Legend Secret Society

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2001
    Messages:
    35,539
    Likes Received:
    908
    Isn't board life grand? If you choose to write 5 sentences or 5 paragraphs to explain one way or another, the choice is yours. The other nice thing? If you choose to read some replies and not read others...that choice is yours too...la
     
  42. Scuzzlebutt

    Scuzzlebutt Babbling Loonie
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2007
    Messages:
    2,215
    Likes Received:
    4
    Dont you have some outhouses to design?
     
  43. Why is it when change is suggested the siege players dont want they say NO thats what makes Siege siege yet now they want a change its all ok i say NO one character slot is what makes siege siege and it should stay that way
     
  44. Dragonchilde

    Dragonchilde Guest

    I vote no. I'm a casual siege player... I don't really have the stamina to stick with it. The single character slot is what makes every character template so important... if people want to pay for another account, that's their prerogative, and isn't really relevant. If that brings in more cash so the game I love keeps going, great.

    I think that while it wouldn't destroy siege, there would definitely be a negative effect. why rely on other people when you can just use that second character slot to make a pure mule? The economy would not be destroyed, but it would definitely take a hit.

    I say "no."
     
  45. TheScoundrelRico

    TheScoundrelRico Stratics Legend
    Stratics Veteran Alumni Stratics Legend Secret Society

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2001
    Messages:
    35,539
    Likes Received:
    908
    Don't like what I type...feel free to put me on ignore...la
     
  46. Petra Fyde

    Petra Fyde Peerless Chatterbox
    Stratics Veteran Alumni Stratics Legend

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2001
    Messages:
    30,882
    Likes Received:
    5,165
    Keep it civil please, let's not stoop to personal attacks.
     
  47. Scuzzlebutt

    Scuzzlebutt Babbling Loonie
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2007
    Messages:
    2,215
    Likes Received:
    4
    Ditto...mo
     
  48. John Connelly

    John Connelly Journeyman
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    May 12, 2008
    Messages:
    269
    Likes Received:
    6
    This is a difficult decision to make. From a selfish point of view I would say yes, give us another slot so I can add crafting on the second slot of my tamer, close down my crafter account and save money.

    From a business angle it makes no sense for EA to give a second slot. How many people would close accounts if this goes ahead? What is important for EA is not the number of people playing Siege but the number of accounts being paid for each month. I am not convinced that the number of new people attracted by the second slot would counterbalance the number of accounts closed.

    I am going to think about this and read a few more opinions before voting in the poll.
     
  49. GalenKnighthawke

    GalenKnighthawke Grand Poobah
    Stratics Veteran

    Joined:
    May 12, 2008
    Messages:
    6,641
    Likes Received:
    1,163
    If the point was to play "gotcha!" then pat yourself on the back; I appear to have exaggerated the number. (I only went back to late March, though.)

    Research technique was to go page by page on U-Hall, and used "edit-find in page" in the browser to find the word Siege in the title of the thread. This is a flawed technique (had I actually read threads for their content I suspect I'd have been able to find more), but that's the most effort I was willing to spend on this.

    If the point was to see examples of the phenomenon, then here are 3:

    http://vboards.stratics.com/showthread.php?t=135926

    http://vboards.stratics.com/showthread.php?t=139698

    http://vboards.stratics.com/showthread.php?t=141125

    2 of the 3 concern Faction items; 1 concerns housing. And then, of course, there's this very thread. Roughly 1 thread every 1.5 weeks, I believe?

    The broader point, of course, is that the Siege population simultaneously considers itself tougher then asks for things to be easier. I find this ironic.

    Congrats on the "gotcha!" though.

    :)

    -Galen's player