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*DEVS - Can someone PLEASE explain what is going on with IDOCS

Discussion in 'UHall' started by AtlanticRealtor, Aug 8, 2014.

  1. AtlanticRealtor

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    Everything went NUTS!

    Houses are skipping stages, Houses are going from SW to FW in few hours
    Houses that went from GW to Idoc, falling in couple hours only...
    And alot of houses are just Vanishing!!!
     
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    Could those be the houses of the shard shield dupers?
     
  3. Siabra

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    very good chance of that .. ..
     
  4. AtlanticRealtor

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    No
    An empty Luna in Chessy went from GW to Idoc stage 3am
    7am House were Gone!

    3 Houses on Atl, went from SW to GW in couple hours...

    Normally would take a House go from Slight to idoc , about 5 days, its taking 3 days top, between slight to Idoc

    A LOT of houses on All shards... this is Not a case of Duper's houses, because even public empty houses are vanishing
     
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    Uh-oh... maybe that last patch broke something.
     
  6. AtlanticRealtor

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    yes, I have runebook with all locations for this week, most houses either vanished, or skipped 2+ steps
    and houses that went from GW to Idoc, vanished in less than couple hours
     
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    I have noticed the same thing
     
  8. THP

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    maybe they forgot to add on patch notes another change....they made ..without fore warning...[whatever]...most people have asked for random falling times for ages now rather than a set timer...so maybe they have implimented it and just forgot to mention it
     
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    saying that i have made note of a few decayers so will keep an eye on them and see what happens
     
  10. Mandrake of DF

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    That is happening when it had gone through its normal cyclus with vendors inside. Once vendors fall it will go through the full cyclus in just few hrs and drop later same day.
     
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    Last one I watched worked as usual.
     
  12. THP

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    prob...just people who have placed elsewere...house as gone into decay...they moved stuff then demolished it ...for refund of gold...mid- decay....this would make sense....
     
  13. Bobar

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    Definitely something different, as one poster has already said it seems that stages are being skipped or the length of time greatly reduced. Seems to me it started after the last patch but could maybe have been the one before.

    LOL all my careful planning has gone out the window. As the saying goes Man plans, God laughs.
     
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    pretty sure the 5 day must stay to give time for people that have let it go into decay through non payment or by mistake....so they have full 5 days to notice it....and refresh it like normal...aka those that pay 3 or 4x a year to keep a etra house- every 120 days....

    .....after a full cycle of normal decay...aka the full 5 day cycle....iam all for random time decay
     
  15. THP

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    Erm just remember God only practices on thee...he normally serves his full wrath on me!!!
     
  16. AtlanticRealtor

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    Trust me, this is All I do for the most time, IDOC's
    Everything got crazy, on Atlantic Right NOW, 2 houses just went Down at FW stage, No Vendors....
     
  17. THP

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    Okies i used to dabble in Idocs myself...well a lot... many years ago.....i kinda left the scene after the keyloggers/script placers moved in.. =. i was just throwing a few suggestions...maybe the devs have altered stuff...cant see them doing anything with the normal 5 day timer though....not without consultation first
     
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    I hope the devs have mixed it up and made them totally random now. Great way to stop the script placers and looters.
     
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    yeah im emailing mesanna to explain whats happening now. but basically it seems as if houses are completely skipping decay states. this could be a problem for those people that are placing another house and think they have the normal 5 days to move out safely.
     
  20. Olahorand

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    Well, the houses on my and a friends checklist are as to be expected in their decay level.
     
  21. Scribbles

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    certain shards seem to be fine. legends seem to be on time and working like normal. there are a lot of ATL that skipped ahead as well as catskills and chessy.
     
  22. AtlanticRealtor

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    Yes...... I emailed her too, when you play around House stages, you know you have 7 days to transfer houses between accounts.... the way it is now, houses are falling in less than 3 days
     
  23. claudia-fjp

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    It is not vendor shenanigans, nor is it the people who duped xfer shield tokens. I checked the IDOCs I had on Pacific and a keep that shouldn't have fallen for a day or two more was already IDOC and dropped 10 seconds later as I was recalling out. So yeah, can confirm, the time frame is sped up and falling at an unusual time of day. This dropped at 10:55am pac time and normally they fall 6:30pm+.
     
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    Isn't that logic flawed? If they are truly totally random that means that the only people who can do IDOCs are the ones who can watch them 24/7. Which, correct me if I'm wrong, are the very same scripters you are referring to. Seems like it would be yet another change that punishes legit players or forces them to cheat as well.

    Hopefully it's just a bug, otherwise a lot of people who enjoy doing IDOCs are going to be screwed.
     
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    I noticed this morning when checking on galleons on a few shards that I last checked on Wednesday that some were already at the "somewhat worn" stage and some were still at "slightly worn." My theory is that the publish Wednesday night counted as an extra "day" or at least some extra time in the decay cycle for houses/galleons on some shards and perhaps didn't count as anything unusual at all on other shards, depending on when each shard normally has its maintenance period.
     
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    Had a guildy on siege lose all his items on siege when a house fell to early. This has GOT to be fixed!!!
     
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    Yeah my only real concern with the idoc stages being screwy is @chargar42 post... some people will place over a house and condemn it so they can move from one house to another with out having to bank their items. This is a common practice among players that dont have multiple accounts or houses. When people do this they expect a certain amount of days to move safely. With decay stages fluctuating this is a very scary thing to do.

    Today on Lake Austin I had a house that i purposely put into decay move from slightly worn to fairly worn totally skipping the somewhat stage. Granted im very OCD about my houses and items so it wasnt an issue as i was prepared for such game flaws. However people that have been practicing this method for years might not be so observant and it might be disastrous for them.

    Im hoping that by monday when they are said to have fixed their shard shield issues that these idoc issues will just naturally be fixed along with that process.
     
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  28. Tina Small

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    If the publish that is supposed to happen on Monday happens for some shards at a time other than when the shard normally undergoes maintenance, people who are concerned about house (or boat) decay should be prepared for the possibility that the decay cycle for houses that are already in decay and for every boat on that shard which is in the water might be accelerated as a result.
     
  29. Scribbles

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    @Tina Small at this point we should be prepared for anything i guess hehe... witnessed some very interesting things last night with housing decay.
     
  30. Tina Small

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    Yeah, I haven't been able to play a whole lot this week, but I did notice that plants on some shards didn't seem to be as developed as they should be in some cases, battle chicken lizard eggs didn't seem to be maturing as they should, and yet galleon decay seemed to have been accelerated on some shards. It made me think that perhaps the small publish mid-week that happened at such an unusual time served as either a late or an early or even an extra maintenance cycle for some shards.
     
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    Could this in any way be linked to the Dev's quick Shard shield use shift?
    We all know messing with the code without serious checking for bugs can have wide range ramifications....
    I can understand the Dev's quick action to curb the trouble... and while I am happy that didnt go too far...
    I am seriously concerned as billing still will not warn if the billing system fails a credit card to reup though nothing is wrong with the card or the bank. Have heard many have had to "buy " Codes of late as the system is fubared.
     
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    Is it really true that there's no e-mail notice sent when an account closes? Or are people just not checking the e-mail accounts (including the spam bucket) which they have attached to their master accounts? If I remove the billing information from an account to let it go dormant, I get an e-mail message from Mythic Entertainment when the account closes that has a subject line of "Mythic Entertainment - End of Subscription Notification." The message contents tell me which account was closed and the reason for the closure (e.g., "Subscription is not set to renew").
     
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    i have always received an e-mail saying my account closed when i let it lapse or my card expires and i forget to change it. that's not to say that it may well happen that i don't get an email at some point though.
     
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    I still get email notices the day my account code lapses.
     
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    It worked in my favor, but the house behind me went from Greatly to gone in less than 24 hours. I hope my old neighbor is actually gone and doesn't mind me upgrading my land....
     
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    After reading this, I decided to go hunting for IDOCs.

    Yesterday I found a somewhat worn- today its IDOC, also found a slightly worn yesterday that is currently Greatly Worn.
     
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    @Promathia Im not sure what to think of it, but it sure has been fun trying to keep up with it lol.
     
  38. DJAd

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    Yes this is a worry. I've done this so many times myself. Traded a house then spent the next couple of days moving stuff over. Its nice to have a few days to do this. It could be done in a few hours im sure but you know, I gotta eat, sleep etc.
     
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    jut ssaying on europa they seem to be decaying at the 5 day rule
     
  40. THP

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    sorry not everyone as time to read all there emails daily?? sorry not good enough
     
  41. Poo

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    i dont know what some of you are talking about, ive never had 7 days when i transfer a house.
    has always been 3 days.

    i checked sonoma the other day and didnt notice anything out of the normal.

    i kinda like the randomness of the falling houses.
    nothing worse then when someone knows right down to the second when a house is gonna drop.
    takes all the fun out of it!
     
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    I lost my boat. I would log on every 4 days to refresh it. I logged on earlier this week and it was gone.

    All the fishing quest I had in the hold- if I decide to start them again, I have to take the reputation hit. All the items and SoSs in the hold....

    Rather frustrated right now. I haven't logged into the game since.
     
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    Welcome to Ultima Online: Where houses that should have fallen 16 years ago are still around, and the rules change with no notice so houses people were going to save are gone early!


    I'm an IDOC hunter, but even I'm against unannounced or undocumented changes or bugs screwing people over.
     
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    @NuSair I was worried that it wasnt just housing timers but other decay timers as well. Make sure you lock things down immediately as item decay timers maybe random at this time as well. I cant think of everything that relies on a decay timer but if you know it does i would watch it till this is addressed.

    Im still hoping that when these supposed shard shield "fixes" are resolved monday that the timers will automatically go back to their old reliable ways. Till then spread the word that Decay Timers on all levels maybe bugged.

    Also i have submitted this to the bug section here on stratics but it is awaiting moderator approval.
     
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    We have a few players who are in the military and reading e mails is the least of their worries.
    They set up their accounts for auto bill while away.
    Some are lucky and friends keep eyes on their property, one friend reciently didnt know his castle was unpaid for..
    Friends got to him via e mail, icq and facebook bombing spam of what was up.
    He had no idea as the account is on a secondary e mail only for the accounts...
    Which goes to show you it was a bad idea for so many emails if you have alot of accounts.
    But I do know one player who didnt get any notice and just barely caught his house in decay.
    He was out of town on business and work took most of his mind and time for a few weeks.
    He has no idea his card had stopped working and the house was in danger.
     
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    A house on Legends seemed to be on normal timer between Fairly and Greatly, but after changing to IDOC it did not collapse after the usual nearly 7 hours, but much earlier.
    The most stuff was already decayed/taken, as I woke up.
     
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    ok, if an e-mail is not good enough, what would you like for them to do then?
     
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    I don't know what information you have based this post on but as an active idocer on Europa I would point out that I have actually seen two houses that only went to Somewhat worn on Thursday, both fall on Saturday and that the time one was actually idoc before it fell was exactly 4 hours. So it is absolutely certain that some kind of change has occurred to the idoc timing on Europa.
     
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    It's not just IDOCs, it seems it's most timers for systems. I had an aquarium on Europa with all of the possible fish which I would place a Vacation Wafer in every Sunday to keep it healthy. Someone asked if timers were screwed up for me, and lo and behold going to check for today's feeding and it's leapt a few days ahead, and now half the fish are dead, including the ultra-rare Coral that you need to spend months feeding every 2 days to spawn. The last time I lost the coral it took 6 months of feeding to get it, and I don't have the heart to restart again. So I can only imagine what those of you seeing their entire homes fall are going through. You have my sympathies.
     
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    as someone who is rubbish at keeping an aquarium going with normal timers, my heart goes out to you :/
     
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