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devs check this out. i mean honest question.

Discussion in 'UHall' started by SixUnder, Apr 19, 2008.

  1. SixUnder

    SixUnder Legendary Assassin
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    what good does pet ball summoning do to have a 5 second delay on players who are NOT tamers?

    if you are involved in pvp and say you are getting wtfganked by X amount of people if you dont have ninja say nite nite.

    people who are not tamers should not have this penalty its ********, specially when tamers are partly the ones dismounting you with bolas and stupidragons.

    why cant we parry bolas? dodge?
     
  2. Guest

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    Welcome to ultima online.

    Sorry but the changes are great. I pvp and I have no issue because I NEVER use a pet summoning ball for anything and why? because I am not a tamer.

    If I get dismounted I deal with it and guess what? you learn how to remount your ethy by timing things properly. Sure some times I can't get back on my ethy and I get killed big deal that is part of the game.

    I really can't say standard dismounts have been an issue for me.
     
  3. SixUnder

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    timing to pet ball? it takes 5 seconds. even when you are not a tamer, no one else see's this as a problem?

    its like this, everywhere you go now is bolaing dismount tamers..with superdragons.. i can see why the devs made them stay on foot but why everyone else?

    pet balls for live mounts should not require 5 seconds of summoning casting when teh guy using it is not a tamer, thats gettin nutz. and ya this post is long over due.
     
  4. Guest

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    Maybe the timer could be changed to not apply to 1-slot, non-tamer pets. I believe this was mentioned in the Pet Ball discussion, but not applied.

    The mounts are 1-slot, right? That's what I'm referring to, if they are not. This would allow the Pet Balls to still be viable as a defensive option to escape.
     
  5. Guest

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    timing to pet ball? it takes 5 seconds. even when you are not a tamer, no one else see's this as a problem?

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    I don't play a tamer and I see a problem with the 5 second timer..

    If your not a tamer it should be atleast 30 seconds just because your
    not a tamer. You should have a harder time controling as well...
     
  6. Masumatek

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    A better question is why are bolas and the dismount special allowed to exist? They add nothing to the game...only take away. Gankers (and tamers) have enough power and need not have auto-kill options like dismount...but they do. Dismount and bolas shouldn't even exist.

    As far as pet ball delay, I wasn't here when they did they change. But wth...? 5 seconds? Why even bother coding in a delay if it's only going to be 5 little seconds....
     
  7. Kurgan

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    Sorry but this post make me laugh..

    How long ago was it people were b***hing &amp; complaining about not having a timer on Pet Balls.
    And now that there is one. People are b***hing about there being a timer..

    And how would the Dev make it so it only works for Tamers?
     
  8. Guest

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    And how would the Dev make it so it only works for Tamers?

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    Like that would be hard....
     
  9. Guest

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    Take your whinning elsewhere where someone cares.... Honestly you can't be unbeatable all the time

    there is eventually going to be someone who's faster, luckier.... Or just plain better suited than you for something and you do get beat..... can't deal with not having mount...... Oooh..... tough tiddlies....

    Honestly and whoever that was said dismount shouldn't be in the game is a fool too.... if that's the case then in my opinion Everyone mounted or not should move the SAME Pace

    dismount is here to stay... I see no reason to take it out... Play in Tram if you can't handle the dismounts.
     
  10. Masumatek

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    Dismount/bola is nothing but a tool for those who already have a lot of power...like gankers. Or tamers. It's an auto-kill tool. You're forced to get ninjitsu to use animal form if you're not in a gank squad. Zergs already have power in numbers...there's nothing you can do about that...but to give them guaranteed wins with dismount? Do they need that? Nope. Dismount adds NOTHING to the game. It's only purpose is drive the solo player out of existence since gank squads feel they should have a guaranteed win over a soloist and are too skilless to kill someone on horseback, even with their superior numbers. Remove dismount and bolas from the game. Or put everyone on foot. Either way....but this bs has to go.
     
  11. SixUnder

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    its a legit question, makin people who dont have superdragons have to wait 5 seconds to summon a live mount is not balanced no matter how you try to dice it.
     
  12. Masumatek

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    Super dragons and the majority of pets tamers use are not balanced no matter how you look at it....
     
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    what good does pet ball summoning do to have a 5 second delay on players who are NOT tamers?

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    I think a solution that's better is if we took dismount special moves away from archery.

    If you get right up to me and dismount me... you deserve that move.


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    why cant we parry bolas? dodge?

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    I think we should.
     
  14. Guest

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    Dismount/bola is nothing but a tool for those who already have a lot of power...like gankers. Or tamers. It's an auto-kill tool. You're forced to get ninjitsu to use animal form if you're not in a gank squad. Zergs already have power in numbers...there's nothing you can do about that...but to give them guaranteed wins with dismount? Do they need that? Nope. Dismount adds NOTHING to the game. It's only purpose is drive the solo player out of existence since gank squads feel they should have a guaranteed win over a soloist and are too skilless to kill someone on horseback, even with their superior numbers. Remove dismount and bolas from the game. Or put everyone on foot. Either way....but this bs has to go.

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    Lot of crying going on in here! Why not just never ride a mount again then ya wont get dismounted ever again! Ya still gonna die! stop crying! sheesh!
     
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    Hmm! The delay works well. Only a ninja should be able to escape a gank squad. If you want a way to escape, be a ninja. I love the ways people come up with to kill me Please leave it how it is.

    If you see someone swinging a bola just take off running hehe.
     
  16. Guest

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    If you are being wtfganked by X amount of people you should die.
     
  17. Guest

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    A better question is why are bolas and the dismount special allowed to exist? They add nothing to the game...only take away.

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    They add a chance to fight back.. They even the playing feild for NON mount player.. I have seen and been victim of a mage that runs around while you are not mounted and he fires magic arrows and poision till dead. Dismount him and his spark tossing arse is fodder. But alas I play all styles.. I have many gimplets.. So if one fails, all I have to do is change up..

    If they would double HP, slow healing and lower damage a little PvP would last a bit longer than one hit.. The issue with this is UO's openess in being able to flee a battle and run back in.
    PvP Vs Open War.. Duels Vs Factions these are two diffrent PvP styles and yet they try so hard to make it work for both,, not happening.
     
  18. Guest

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    what good does pet ball summoning do to have a 5 second delay on players who are NOT tamers?

    if you are involved in pvp and say you are getting wtfganked by X amount of people if you dont have ninja say nite nite.

    people who are not tamers should not have this penalty its ********, specially when tamers are partly the ones dismounting you with bolas and stupidragons.

    why cant we parry bolas? dodge?

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    Petballs and dismounting are fine as they are, When you see so and so swinging a bola run away I know from Exp. that you are quite capable of that. and if you get dismount ganked and die you deserve it, your guild uses the same lame tactics and some even worse *winks*.
     
  19. Guest

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    <blockquote><hr>

    <blockquote><hr>

    what good does pet ball summoning do to have a 5 second delay on players who are NOT tamers?

    if you are involved in pvp and say you are getting wtfganked by X amount of people if you dont have ninja say nite nite.

    people who are not tamers should not have this penalty its ********, specially when tamers are partly the ones dismounting you with bolas and stupidragons.

    why cant we parry bolas? dodge?

    [/ QUOTE ]

    Petballs and dismounting are fine as they are, When you see so and so swinging a bola run away I know from Exp. that you are quite capable of that. and if you get dismount ganked and die you deserve it, your guild uses the same lame tactics and some even worse *winks*.

    [/ QUOTE ]
    ZING!

    Can't argue with the truth. [​IMG]
     
  20. Guest

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    <blockquote><hr>

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    what good does pet ball summoning do to have a 5 second delay on players who are NOT tamers?

    if you are involved in pvp and say you are getting wtfganked by X amount of people if you dont have ninja say nite nite.

    people who are not tamers should not have this penalty its ********, specially when tamers are partly the ones dismounting you with bolas and stupidragons.

    why cant we parry bolas? dodge?

    [/ QUOTE ]

    Petballs and dismounting are fine as they are, When you see so and so swinging a bola run away I know from Exp. that you are quite capable of that. and if you get dismount ganked and die you deserve it, your guild uses the same lame tactics and some even worse *winks*.

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    If you see the message. Often times someone will have the bola already with the cursor up and as soon as you are on the same screen you are off your mount and getting bushwhacked before you know what is going on.
     
  21. Llewen

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    Dismount/bola is nothing but a tool for those who already have a lot of power...like gankers. Or tamers.

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    I'm sure that some people get quite upset when their speed hacks don't preserve their fragile butts. I'm not saying you are one of those, but if you are jumped by three or more people, and it truly is three to one, you should just expect to die. One person shouldn't be able to survive against three attackers, if they can, their is something wrong with the game - unless of course the attackers really suck...

    As for tamers being over powered. Greater dragons evened the playing field somewhat. I don't see tamers simply being unable to compete, the way it generally was before they came along, but honestly, I would still say that most tamers that I see, even those with bolas and greater dragons, still have bad kd ratios (ie. they die more often than they kill).

    Pets are slow, and stupid - although the recent changes to pet a.i. has improved things, but they are still slow. You get rid of bolas, or dismount weapons, and you will just about completely remove tamers from pvp (which I realize is usually the point of posts like these), you also make it virtually impossible for anyone on foot without ninja to have a chance.

    Frankly, the whole idea of mounted combat should be looked at. Mounted combat should involve a riding skill. You shouldn't even be able to ride without some riding skill, and any skill you attempt to use while mounted should be capped by your riding skill (ie. if you want to fight as a legendary warrior from horse back, you should have legendary riding skill). Your mounted speed should also be capped by your riding skill. THEN you could make using a bola dependent on the bola skill, as it should be, and allow it to be defended against.

    And of course, as part of these changes, movement speed in the 2D client, should no longer be processor and connection dependent (as is the case with the KR client), which would emasculate the true bs of speed hacking. I laugh every time some one says to me, "I have a perfect connection," or, "I ping under 10 to the server ***tch!" Obvious, blatant lies...
     
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    If you are being wtfganked by X amount of people you should die.

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    Thats fine and dandy, just as long as a bola or the move dismount is not used, ill take that death with relish, when i get 5 bolas and and one archer dismount for good measure for the gank, thats a crappy way to die, no skill involved, just me disadvantaged for a crutch move....kill me with 3 mages with combos for the gank, or 4 dexxers or wtf ever, at least I had a chance to out maneuver on horseback. On foot, your toast.

    Another crutch gank move is evil omen/para. Evil omen should be changed to where it does not affect magic resist at all. THE END
     
  23. Guest

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    nothing should negate skill be trapped boxes to omen. end of story
     
  24. I dont get what youre saying, are you saying we should HAVE to run around with trapped boxes, MORE ITEMS to use? Its not enough with the bandies and apples and all the pots and orange petals and purple petals and on and on?!

    Evil omen cuts magic resist by HALF!! Thats ridiculous power, as a necro mage justs casts that and mana vampire, or poison or para.....thats dumb imo for a spell thats spammable and costs little mana

    Currently evil omen does this:

    1 Target receives +25% damage from next damage source, or
    2 Will be poisoned one level higher by the next poison attack (to a max of level 5 poison), or
    3 Will only have 50% of the magic resist skill counter in the next attack that uses magic resist as a modifier.
    4 Duration of 25 seconds.

    The devs should take out number 3

    srry six, derailed your thread a lil
     
  25. SixUnder

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    hehe

    well its all a problem, some people must play the on foot tamer with superdrags in here. course they dont want it made mroe balanced.
     
  26. Llewen

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    <blockquote><hr>

    hehe

    well its all a problem, some people must play the on foot tamer with superdrags in here. course they dont want it made mroe balanced.

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    Yes I play a tamer. Yes I use bolas. Yes I use greater dragons, as well as other pets. I also happen to know what I am talking about...
     
  27. SixUnder

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    i dont think expecting to die is suppose to be part of any mmorpg. specifaclly uo, this game has outlasted everything, something like being forced to wait seconds for a mount when a tamer puts a 5 slot 60+ fire breathe breathing pet on you that bleeds and has 120 magery is ludacrious. everyone knows why they put tamers restrictions on the pet balls, but why it is on "all" players pet balls is beyond me.
     
  28. Guest

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    nothing should negate skill beit trapped boxes to omen. end of story

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    Sorry I forgot a word.

    I meant to say no item or spell should negate skill, I think +skill items are even pushing it a bit.
     
  29. Guest

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    How about if it did not effect 1 slot tames.. There are very few powerful one slot creatures worth their salt in PvP. Some do fine in a pack but the ball only work one at a time so thus not an issue..
     
  30. Guest

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    What good does a pet summoning ball do you in that case?

    If you are getting ganked, you are going down no matter what unless you have evasion, good running speed, great healing, hiding, and the ability to go into wolf form when you are dismounted.
     
  31. Masumatek

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    The defense of dismount in this thread is sickening. Just because the majority of players are honorless gankers who can't PvP one on one does not mean that the only play style should be ganking. The population of solo players has greatly declined. Only the die hard soloers are left. No thanks to auto-kill tools such as dismount and bola.

    Why, I ask, should I die simply because I'm fighting multiple opponents? Why should they have tools to guarantee my death? Why, I ask, should I not be able to escape, or use hit and run tactics? Why can't the gankers use a bit of skill and coordination and kill me while I'm mounted? They have the advantage in numbers. Unlike some I do not and never have suggested that advantage in numbers somehow be nerfed. However I see no reason at all why gankers need more advantages than pure numbers. Unless you have a select few skills, particularly ninjitsu, bolas/dismount is basically auto-kill. And I ask, what does such an auto-kill tool bring that is good for the game? And the answer is it brings nothing good to the game. It only hurts the game. It only seeks to make extinct the dying breed of solo players. It serves the people who are lazy and skilless, who refuse to learn how to actually fight a soloer and instead resort to auto-win methods.
     
  32. Masumatek

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    "When you see so and so swinging a bola run away"

    Often impossible.



    "They add a chance to fight back.. They even the playing feild for NON mount player"

    Aside from a few roleplayers perhaps, the only PvPers who are going to be dismounted are 1) the dismounters who are dismounted for the sole reason of dismounting others, 2) Tamers who want to use overpowered pets, and not just one, multiple, and so remain on foot so they aren't using control slots by having a mount, and 3) stealthers, whose disadvantage of being on foot is outweighed by the great advantage of surprise and the survivability their template allows.

    If bolas and dismount didn't exist, the dismounters would be on mounts. Many tamers will likely stay on foot anyway just for the power of two overpowered pets. Others will have to oh so horribly sacrifice a control slot to ride a mount. Big deal. Stealthers will still have their advantages of surprise and survivability. This will help bring some balance to that template, for the tools of dismount and bolas make that template greatly overpowered, as it does tamers.


    "Pets are slow, and stupid"

    And extremely powerful. A tamer can definitely kill mounted players. It's just a bit harder. Dismounting your opponent as a tamer and likely you have guaranteed his death. You accuse me who asks for dismount/bolas to be removed from the game as wanting to destroy the tamer class, when the truth is you simply wish to have a guaranteed victory over your opponent and are unwilling to learn how to actually fight an opponent. Those who are unwilling or not skillful enough to learn how to fight a mounted opponent do not deserve crutches like dismount. You should not be rewarded for your inability to fight on semi-fair grounds. Removing dismount the death of tamers huh? Not at all. Removing dismount isn't even going to balance tamers. They'll still be too powerful and need nerfing.

    "although the recent changes to pet a.i. has improved things"

    Oh? I see...so tamers are even more overpowered than I thought. I had thought the only addition while I was gone was super dragons. Wow, the devs really have lost it if they're upping tamers so much when they've badly needed severe nerfing for so long.


    "I'm sure that some people get quite upset when their speed hacks don't preserve their fragile butts"

    So you support having imbalanced PvP in the name of fighting cheats? Imbalancing PvP to fight cheaters is not justified. Fix the cheats. Ban the cheaters. If making all of UO black and white would stop cheaters, I suppose you would support it eh? (Though I have to stay...black and white might just be better than the current neon crap). Also, I question whether dismount/bolas are an effective way to stop speed hackers anyway.


    "If you want a way to escape, be a ninja."

    So I should be forced to pick up this one skill to avoid death from items and abilities that provide no good to the game and shouldn't exist in the first place? Further, ninjitsu mainly allows for the ability to escape ganks, and not actually fight them (as you could using hit and run tactics if you were on a mount and bolas/dismounting didn't exist). To suggest that I be forced to get ninjitsu to deal with overpowered items that shouldn't exist is no better than suggesting I should be forced to get peace/music to deal with overpowered pets that shouldn't exist.


    Oh, and just fyi, if dismount/bolas are removed, I support removing animal forms that provide speed boosts.
     
  33. Masumatek

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    To the OP, I know we've semi-derailed your thread talking about dismount and bolas instead of pet balls. But realize dismount/bolaing is the problem that got you dismounted in the first place. You not being able to summon your pet because of a delay is not the problem. Dismount/bolaing and overpowered pets are the issues here.
     
  34. Llewen

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    It serves the people who are lazy and skilless, who refuse to learn how to actually fight a soloer and instead resort to auto-win methods.

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    Or maybe, just maybe, you need to put some more time and effort into learning how to play the game. If don't have the time to devote to improving your template, suit, and skills, then I'm sorry, there's nothing anyone can do about that. Sometimes the real world doesn't allow us to dedicate as much time and effort to our hobbies as we would like. However, in that case, you shouldn't expect to be able to win against those that have dedicated more time and effort than you have. It's not their fault that you don't have the time to devote to being a better player either. You just need to deal with it and decide to have fun even though you aren't going to win every time. Either that, or move on to a different hobby...
     
  35. SixUnder

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    either way the timer for non tamers on pet balls need placed back to what it was. any devs reading this?
     
  36. Guest

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    Wow... I see Six's posts know no boundary! From Baja to U.Hall!

    What I see wrong with this is... why allow non tamers to use PET summoning balls at all? If you're not a tamer you shouldn't be allowed to use them. Plain and simple. As a tamer you can't use swords, very well at least, unless you actually *gasp* get this... have swordsmanship skill!!!! OMG What a concept! *Rolls eyes*

    So as a non tamer, ok guys... here it comes! As a non tamer, you can't use PET summoning balls well... imagine that? A tamer item that you can't use well if you're not a tamer? ...

    As far as the bolas are concerned, I think it would be ok to be able to parry/dodge them but, can you parry/dodge arrows?

    Anyway, I think we should just get rid of skills and if you pick up a sword you're automatically legendary in swords/tactics/anatomy! If you have a spell book of any kind you're legendary in that too!

    /sarcasm
     
  37. Yenji Yasagari

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    Its not MY fault that none of you are Ninja's. I've no problem against tamers! *Gets attacked by all of U.Hall* *Smoke Bomb* *Stealth Away* Owned :p.
     
  38. crayfish

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    i dont think expecting to die is suppose to be part of any mmorpg.

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    Not if you stay in Tram and take up crafting or begging.
     
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    Not 100% for sure, but I believe you can outrun bolas now; you used not to be able to?
     
  40. Removing dismount would be same as giving speedhackers godmode... As long as there is speedhack, dismount MUST exist. Too bad some speedhackers run almost as fast on foot as with mount.

    And btw. why using dismount is just lame tactics and not skill? I think it's just smart playing to take someone capable to dismount to your group.

    You seem to think that everything has something to do with tamers. There's other people then just tamers using dismount too you know...

    Yes I get dismount often... With my mage I usually try to escape with teleports. If Im playing archer (which I kinda rarely do) I start dismount my enemies, or use teleport scrolls.
     
  41. Guest

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    Six and TB@ just don't like the idea of their tactics being used against them.

    I have been dismounted by TB@ members before. Don't let his babble get to your head.
     
  42. Masumatek

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    Its not MY fault that none of you are Ninja's. I've no problem against tamers! *Gets attacked by all of U.Hall* *Smoke Bomb* *Stealth Away* Owned :p.

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    You thinking running away from tamers means winning just shows how bad the situation really is. You should be able to fight tamers, not just survive. Unfortunately most templates can't fight good tamers since their pets are so overpowered.
     
  43. Masumatek

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    Six, you really need to stop focusing on petballs when the real problems are dismount, bolas, and way too powerful pets. Focusing on what is not the real problems is not going to get us anywhere.
     
  44. Masumatek

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    "Removing dismount would be same as giving speedhackers godmode... As long as there is speedhack, dismount MUST exist."

    Cheats/exploits/whatever existing is no excuse for game imbalance. The cheaters should be banned. Cheats should be prevented. Adding problems to the game to fight a different problem (and not even defeat it) just gets you two problems.


    "too bad some speedhackers run almost as fast on foot as with mount."

    So we've allowed imbalance and accomplished barely anything? What were you trying to argue again?


    "And btw. why using dismount is just lame tactics and not skill? I think it's just smart playing to take someone capable to dismount to your group."

    It's not skill. It's an auto-win tool for gankers and tamers. It gives more power where it is not needed, where there already is a lot of power. It adds nothing to the game, only takes away. And yes it's good tactics to use overpowered crap to defeat your opponents...does that mean said overpowered crap should exist? No.


    "You seem to think that everything has something to do with tamers."

    Not really.


    "There's other people then just tamers using dismount too you know..."

    That's part of if not most of the problem...I never said it wasn't.
     
  45. Kith Kanan

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    Dismount/bola is nothing but a tool for those who already have a lot of power...like gankers. Or tamers. It's an auto-kill tool. You're forced to get ninjitsu to use animal form if you're not in a gank squad. Zergs already have power in numbers...there's nothing you can do about that...but to give them guaranteed wins with dismount? Do they need that? Nope. Dismount adds NOTHING to the game. It's only purpose is drive the solo player out of existence since gank squads feel they should have a guaranteed win over a soloist and are too skilless to kill someone on horseback, even with their superior numbers. Remove dismount and bolas from the game. Or put everyone on foot. Either way....but this bs has to go.

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    they can remove dismount and bola's when they have stopped all the cheating scumbags from using speedhacks !!! atm its the only way to stop these cheating turd-snorters !!! Being able to run the latest scripts and hacks is not equal to being skilled.......
     
  46. SixUnder

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    Six, you really need to stop focusing on petballs when the real problems are dismount, bolas, and way too powerful pets. Focusing on what is not the real problems is not going to get us anywhere.

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    i can agree with ya there, i just dont like not having the ability in a gank to summon a pet. takes 5 seconds.. on a warrior.. not gonna happen