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@DEVS! Don´t let the Item Bless Deed reward reach Siege Perilous.

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Tjalle, Sep 1, 2011.

  1. Tjalle

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    In the new Cleanup, you can get Item Bless Deeds as rewards.

    Please make sure you keep them away from Siege Perilous! (and maybe Mugen but can´t speak for them)

    Or if you can´t remove them from the reward list, at least make it so they can´t be used there.

    Thanks!
     
  2. TMC Crowley

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    I say throw them out all the way or there goes another rare
     
  3. claudia-fjp

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    Whoever told you they were rare was lying through his teeth. They've been duped all to hell over the last 12 years. They were hard to get originally. Tons were used to bless Silver Vanq weapons. Many more were used on artifacts and event items. Yet today you can still buy multiples for 50 mil each which is a fraction of what they should cost if they hadn't been duped.

    Put [replica] on the dang thing if it makes you feel better and tell the dupers where they can stick it. :)
     
  4. Jhym

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    hee hee I always love the knee-jerk reaction from Siege about bless deeds and blessed items.

    Seriously makes me want to be a GM and just drop blessed items everywhere to annoy them all.

    :popcorn:
     
  5. Uvtha

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    Its not a knee jerk reaction. If you played siege you would know that bleed over blessed items SERIOUSLY damaged our shard for years.

    Anyway why do you even care? We just want to protect our shard from more balance wrecking regular shard bleed over.
     
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    You can only have one blessed item per character on Siege anyway.
     
  7. kelmo

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    This is not entirely accurate. You can only have one "Siege Blessed" item via context menu. You can have as many blessed items as you can scrounge up.
     
  8. Tina Small

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    The feedback about the item bless deed should probably go in a thread about this new publish in the UO Test Center forum. However, no one's started a Publish 72 thread there yet. Kelmo, can you please ask the moderator for that forum to start a Publish 72 feedback thread?
     
  9. Raptor85

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    ^ this, for instance, on Janus i used a CBD to bless my jesters hat, and a CBD to bless my ninja belt (note: CBD's work differently on siege though, yo ucaon only bless things without magical properties, resists are fine but you can't CBD stuff like rangers cloaks or crimmies here), all my non-mod spellbooks and runebooks are blessed, I have a blessed "Charcoal" vet robe on, and used my siege bless on an alch bauble. There are blessed items around and you can wear as many as you can carry, luckily none of the truly good armor and weapons as such is blessed however (though unfortunately there are some super high mod spellbooks that are blessed, from an old EM event that never got fixed)

    These need to be kept away from siege at all costs.
     
  10. Lady Storm

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    Quite honestly let them come.... to be very honest Siege had bless items when we had tons of players it didnt effect nothing. The players who are yelling about it are the ones who feel dry looting is "FUN" . Suguest you go to test and see how to get one will be quite a workout. Siege is not known for trash in the steets...
     
  11. Tina Small

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    I don't particularly enjoy being dry looted. I also don't PvP. But if I did, I doubt I would engage in dry looting unless the character I killed was being played by a real jerk. But I agree with others that have posted here that these deeds don't belong on Siege. They'd completely unbalance PvP by letting a handful of people who manage to get the deeds run around as if they had fully or even partially insured suits. Who would want to come to or return to Siege and PvP against such people? And why would crafters bother to stick around if people don't need to replace as many items or because no new people are coming to the shard? And what kind of mess would it make of the shard's economy if some people managed to get their hands on a bunch of these deeds to sell them off in the future at vastly inflated prices because of their limited availability?

    No thanks. People who think they can't play on Siege without the benefit of item bless deeds to protect their modded items should stick to shards that have insurance.

    Edited to add: Thought I'd add that Raptor's PKd me twice on Siege, although it's been a few months since the last time. (Someone else got me the only other time I've been PKd on Siege.) All that disappeared from my corpse the last time was a pair of plain old LRC pants and some arcane boots. I didn't even realize they were gone until I was telling Hoffs about how well I fared against the "evil PKers." Ripped off her dress to show I still had everything and realized to my chagrin that my character wasn't wearing any pants or boots! I truly doubt that he and most other PvPers on Siege regularly dry loot anyone, especially if they're pretty sure the player doesn't have much to their name yet and isn't an obnoxious jerk.
     
  12. Guardian KX

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    ALL the item bless deeds (that were and are publicly known) were REMOVED from items AND Siege.

    I can think of 2 doom mage bracelets and one event item that had "Item Bless Deeds" removed from them and the deed was destoryed or not replaced. NOT one single item can be blessed in a way that is not immediatly available to EVERY Siege player. (I don't think that it was fair that someone who earned a deed and then used it later on should have had it removed. Balance is fine, but not buy screwing someone that earned it in a normal game play fashion.)

    No New Bless deeds. I think someone running around Siege in a blessed barneyland suit with free insurance makes me sick.

    End OF Story.
     
  13. nightstalker22

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    The key aspects of Siege are the 100% Fel Ruleset ( murderers can go anywhere ), and no insurance, for looting and thieves. Crafters benefit from this ruleset as well, as everything must be replaced eventually, so there is always business to be had.

    There are 25 other shards that have insurance and blessed items. There is no reason to allow Siege to have Item Bless Deeds. If you want to use them, play on one of those 25 shards. When you go there, pay attention to the economies of those shards too, you'll see outrageous prices, as the seller of the items know it will be a one time sale ( because the item will be blessed or insured at that point ), they have to make as much profit as possible to make it worth their while. Siege doesn't have this problem, and I suggest it remain that way.
     
  14. Uvtha

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    Yeah, or it could be the imbalance effect created by one time blessed items or item blesses for ALLLLL of the people who come after that one time event is gone.

    Blessed items DID effect things. Greatly. Back when good gear was hard to come by there was a DRASTIC power advantage for people who had the blessed ancient samuri helm and leggings of embers. And thats nothing compared to what this would create. People would have full suits of prodo-shard quality blessed along with weapons. How is someone coming into the game/shard a year later going to compete with that?

    And if you doubt that people would farm up 6 bless deeds+ then you are sorely mistaken.

    I have killed like 3 people in my 10+ year siege tenure, and I am stringetly against these blesses.
     
  15. Jhym

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    Exactly the sort of response that amuses me, and why I only play there occasionally.

    Obviously it's everyone else's fault that Siege had problems that certain folks were upset about. And of course I wouldn't know anything about Siege problems since I don't live there.

    :popcorn:
     
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    it's repond slayers that work on trolls, right?
     
  17. Siteswap

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    Hardly rare. They were MASSIVELY duped.
     
  18. Symma

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    I'd like to see some confirmation as well from the DEVs that they will be removed.

    +1
     
  19. Nakukak

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    You cant get duped stuff on siege ;)
     
  20. Nakukak

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    Pssst this is about Siege....
    THERE ARE NO DUPES !

    For god sake, I would have one in my museum just for having it :)
     
  21. Uvtha

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    What on earth are you talking about? Who in this thread blamed sieges problems on anyone outside of the dev team?

    And I for one only reason I intimated that you didn't know about siege is because you were displaying a position that siegers were somehow not justified in being concerned about more bleed through blessings, when such (since you know the shard so well, you already know) accidental blessings caused huge issues on siege and took literally like 5 years to be removed.

    See the thing is that if we don't alert the devs to stuff like this and get it prevented it could take YEARS to be corrected, and we would have to live with the potentially serious imbalances.

    Yes, I know you are just trolling, but whatever.
     
  22. Siteswap

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    I understand that there are no siege dupes (I play Siege) ... however the post I replied to was asking for the item bless deeds to be "thrown out all the way" to keep them rare. I took this to mean across the board, not just Siege.
     
  23. Klapauc

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    I hope item bless deeds dont make it to siege. Having maxxed out suits and not loosing them would simply ruin the gameplay on that shard. Would be impossible for players without them to compete.
    Just opened a second account to finally place a house and being able to play more there. Would immediatly close that account if item bless deeds make it to that shard.
     
  24. lucitus

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    Siege i fully understand, but on normal shards is say cool thank you for that new chance to get them!

    Many of us havent got the chance to get one of the old event, also in times of insurance it is not so overpowered i would protest, also most imbued items have a limited lifetime so good choice iam happy with it!
     
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    Might I point out... I know Tina was not on Siege when it opened so I can give her slack in her opinion of how Siege was.... Siege was all Fel rule set but we did have all the benifits of regular shards including first year Clean up Britania and yes there was item bless's on shard. Few but there was the same oppertunity to get them as any other UO customer. Siege was set to make life in UO more of a challenge not depravation.
    I also wish to point out if you look at it in your light we also shouldnt have imbuing... its an advantage to make a full sampire/bard/mage etc. full lrc lmc 70 suit that was not there at all in the early days... it could be seen in the same way as this bless. I have in a few short weeks advanced my characters 10 fold in skills and abilitys with them then I could have without them in the past years.
     
  26. nightstalker22

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    Siege not only WAS 100% Fel rule set, it still is. I wasn't on Siege from the beginning either, and it really doesn't matter that I didn't have the opportunity to get my own Item Bless Deeds, it was an oversight by the dev team in even allowing them, and this thread is intended to make sure it doesn't happen again.

    I don't think you're capable of seeing things in my light, so please, stop trying to make arguments as if you can. There is nothing wrong with imbuing being on Siege, as Imbuing doesn't make it possible to protect your items from thieves or death. If you want to know what items shouldn't be on Siege, they are: Faction Recall Runes ( allows players to avoid death and looting, though regular Recalling is not allowed on Siege ), seed of the silver sapling, which allows those slain in the Abyss to whisk their bodies away to safety with their items. Nobody is here making an argument for old days vs. today, so stop trolling.
     
  27. wow ... I thought the OP's request had already been satisfied ... ???

    @DEVS! Don´t let the Item Bless Deed reward reach Siege Perilous.


    *ahem* How many "blessed items" MAY a player equip?
    How many "blessed items" MAY a Siege player possess >un-equipped<?
    ARE there >any< blessed items On Siege?

    There are blessed items on Siege ... "prevent" is kinda settled, yes?

    y'all can work out the rest ...
     
  28. Uvtha

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    Are you serious with this? You dont see the difference between fully lootable suits and fully blessed suits?

    If I can kill you... I GET YOU SUIT, you kill me YOU GET MINE. With these blesses... you can keep coming back at me with the same uber gear no matter how many times I kill you, but if I don't have the blessings then I HAVE TO REPLACE MINE.

    Not to mention the fact that since there is no cost to replace the items you can have a FULLY MAXED suit, where as if I were to do that without blessings I would be losing millions per death.

    I mean its the simplest thing in the world, and one of the ONLY thing that keeps our economy from being trash.

    If you allow these blesses you have to allow insurance, because its not like the blessed helm and legs, and its not like the what...three? Two? bless deeds items we had before. There will be a whole generation with fully blessed suits. Not just middle of the line stuff... but uber fully blessed suits, that will last untill their durability hits 0.

    People cannot compete with that imbalanced. I don't see how you don't get this.
     
  29. Gunga_Din

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    I say shut down Siege all together so we don't have to hear them crying after every patch. Just about had enough of that shard. Waste or resources and time if you ask me. Siege has Luna for crying out loud, what a joke.
     
  30. Hera - Siege

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    It's frustrating how many people don't understand Siege, but to understand it, you have to play it and most people don't mainly because of the misunderstanding, and the cycle continues...

    And we are trying to 'work out the rest,' hence the thread. *see above paragraph*
     
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    Agree get the bless deed off the list in seige
     
  32. Nakukak

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    A player may equip as many blessed items as the person can, hense the Clothing Bless Deed (for cloth)
    There is a event spellbook with bless (shouldnt have, even if I got 20 spares)
    And for blessed items on siege
    Samurai Helms, Embers Leggs and the Quiver are all non-blessed now on siege.
    Only bless that actualy counts for useable items with mods are 1.
    Personal Bless Deed, It can be used to save only 1 item when dieing, personaly I use it for my faction ornament.

    Dude ...
    Possible that Siege has Luna, but its still possible to kill/steal from people there.. doh?
    Please learn about the shard before speaking about it.


    Anything I forgot?

    Edited: Gunga if you dont like Siege, just dont play there and leave it for the people who wants and still plays...
     
  33. Uvtha

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    Here's a novel idea: Let us play the way we want, and you play the way you want. If you don't like to read posts about siege simply stop opening them and reading them. As much as you "constructive" additions are always welcome, we will probably make it without them.

    And if you worried about resources being wasted, they aren't. We aren't asking for anything special here, were asking to NOT get something. How that could possibly effect you, I have no idea.
     
  34. FrejaSP

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    I agree or at least don't make them work for items with mods on.
    I don't mind them to work for items that don't effect PvP, like this hallowen maskes that late you show as a monster without any advantage in PvP or PvM.

     
  35. nightstalker22

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    Maybe this thief wants to steal the costume... why are you trying to block me?

    Clothing is fine, but something that can be disarm stolen isn't!
     
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    It's something you can't easy get a new one of and it can improve RP. I do understand, you want to be able to steal everything but I don't agree that you should be able to steal an item like that, just like you can't steal the forms you get from magery and ninja skills. Also I have a pair of sandales, that make me to an orc, they can be clothes blessed.
     
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    Please do not give Bless deeds as rewards on Siege!
     
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    You've evidently never played Siege or even have the remotest idea about how people play over there. Blessing items would be a huge deal there.
     
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    LOL im from siege and i say first of all they aren't gonna allow them on siege and

    second its not gonna hurt anything even if they did we are such carebears over there anyway we give most of our lootable suit back free anyway in fear of them quitting the shard if you dont

    it might actually increase the numbers of siege if they allow a few itmes to be bless but hears the problem ya gotta leave it available if it comes at all

    i say siege should just allow insurance

    MAKE SIEGE THE SAME AS EVERY OTHER SHARD EXCEPT NO TRAM RULESET
     
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    Hey bro, why do you think you've got a monopoly on how people should enjoy playing a video game? Do you really, honestly hold yourself in such high esteem; do you really think your opinion should be the definitive one for enjoyment; do you have categorical proof that your play style is better than that of a group of people who have been playing for a decade?

    By the look of it we could feed several malnourished nations off your inflated ego.
     
  41. Humph! must have forgot to post a thought ...

    Put Siege clone On Test WITH the turnin turned on ...

    By the KB(un-reliable = known)

    Replies (above) are from One only may be equipped; to a confusing array of Item bless deeds, personal bless deeds, clothing bless deeds yadda yadda play Siege or don't post.:talktothehand:


    Put Siege clone On Test WITH the turnin turned on ...

    /LAST free bump
    /out
     
  42. Nakukak

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    Amen!

    Just dont think that they will do a TC with Siege, would be fun but alot of whining why no tram :p
     
  43. Gunga_Din

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    I'd like UO to close most shards and get it down to 4 total + 1 Classic Shard. That would be ideal. Then you could have 3-4 EM's Per shard to increase content + more player interaction and RP.

    Siege is in the minority and as such, the way the game is, should have been removed long ago. Just my belief.

    Now most people know I joke most of the time or push the edge on these forums. So most just laugh it off. Obviously you take things too serious , so my suggestion to you would be to have a beer and relax.

    P.S. I"m not your Bro.
     
  44. Well ... I would argue that Siege DESERVES a little time up on the "rack/lift"

    Easier to tinker with the innards, code all loaded up and running with the COMING turnin ...

    Fix THAT and ... well, ya >could just< take ONE "fix" ...

    but >since it is up on the rack/lift< ...

    aw:(nvm
     
  45. Uvtha

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    I for one find it obnoxious when people come into a thread that they have no desire to actually contribute to, make comments they KNOW will make everyone angry, then tell people to "relax" when they do so.

    That's called trolling.

    And as for "pushing the edge" ... it's a video game forum. I don't think that its gonna get to "edgy" in here. Though it seems to me that generally when people make claims like that it simply means that they like to troll.
     
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    DONT WORRY THERE NOT GONNA PUT THEM ON SIEGE
     
  47. kelmo

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    Let's stay on topic here. Siege is here. Many of us play it. Not nearly enough... but that is another issue.

    That being established as fact. The Siege is still here part, please allow those interested in giving some feed back to do so.

    If you want to start a pull the plug on Siege Perilous... Start that in another thread, as it is not topical here. *smiles*
     
  48. Nakukak

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    Bro... Ho ... whats the differents?
     
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    I love how people ***** when someone from Siege tosses up a post regarding gameplay... yet think nothing of someone bringing up issues that are particular to another shard
     
  50. Ultimaholic

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    That right there! Than you`d see the masses swarming SP.