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DEVs, how about some "fine tuning" with Traps' fishing ?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by popps, Nov 16, 2010.

  1. popps

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    Before anything else, I have to say that I would never ever want to have traps' fishing be changed in a way that it would allow the scripting of it.

    It is my understand, that as of now this activity either is not possible to be scripted or that it requires scripts so complex that very few can script it.

    I think it as very important that it stays a "non-scriptable" activity.

    This said, personally, rather than doing "sectors' fishing (with traps) as some fishermen do, I prefer "*blobs*" fishing.

    The reason being, that I find the main problem for me being traps sinking.

    When a trap sinks, it means it is full so, chances are, I am losing quite a few good crabs or lobsters whenever a trap sinks. So, while doing a sector could cover me for the traps in that sector, by going sector fishing I also end up pulling up emtpy traps thus wasting precious time that I could be using to do emergency pull for that *blob* that is the last call to a full trap before it sinks.

    This said, going for the *blobs* wherever they show up, I end up doing a whole lot of moving and, also, waste time, often, just for traps with only 1 catch and often this 1 catch being regular crab or regular lobster.
    Moreover, the *blob* warning stays up too short a time, IMHO, and often, with many traps spread all over, by the time I go to that area where the *blob* showed up I have lost visual memory of which trap it was and often I pull up an empty trap near by rather than the one with stuff inside.

    So, I thought perhaps some fine tuning to traps' fishing could help ?
    My suggestions would cover :

    1) Allow the *blob* warning to stay up at least twice the time it does now, so that one does not loose visual contact with which trap is to be pulled up;

    2) Introduce color coded *blob* warnings depending on how full a trap is. I noticed, that the most I can pull is 3 catches from a trap. Never got one with 4 catches. So, I assume, at 4 they just simply sink.
    Introduce some color code for the number of catches. For example, *blob* indicates 1 catch, *blob* indicates 2 catches, and *blob* indicates full Trap at 3 catches.
    This way, rather than spending time to go for 1 catch Traps one could target 2 or 3 catches traps thus reducing the losses for sinking.
    Of course, also color coding the "actual" traps deployed in the Sea similarly as to the *bobs* texting would greatly further help so that one could go straight for the fullest Traps first...

    3) Another problem I noticed that I have, is having the traps be covered by crabs and lobsters in my backpack. Sometimes, in the hectic clicking of the fishing (emptying full traps and redeploying them into the sea) I end up having the traps which I need to re-deploy totally covered by crabs and lobsters and I must spend important and valuable time to shuffle crabs and lobsters around my backpack to uncover the traps so to be able to double click them to re-deploy the onto the sea.
    How about making traps stay always up ? This way, it would save important time that one could use to pull up traps rather than having to spend it on uncovering traps in one's own backpack.

    4) Another important waste of time which gets traps deployed be neglected and so sunk, is when one has to unload all crabs and lobsters when one's own backpack is full (overweight...). There is some 20 different icons to move out of a backpack when overweight and this takes time especially since these icons are small and often it takes a few tries to correctly pick some of them to drag them out of the backpack.

    How about giving us some macro that works for all of them (1 for all types of crabs and 1 for all types of lobsters) to drag them out to a Beetle, a backpack in the ship's hold or on the pier ?

    Yes, UOAssist has an organizing agent but it only works for "that" type item and since the types are 20, one would need to create 20 different macroes (limit is 16) and memorize all 20 of them so as to empty out an overweight backpack.
    Besides, UOAssist organizing Agent only works for a container that is inside one's own backpack while it would be quite helpfull, since one needs to unload to reduce being overweight, to have it work onto an "external" container or to a blue beetle or pack horse/llama. Shuffling stuff inside one's own backpack does not reduce the weight at all. To reduce weight stuff needs to exit one's own backpack....

    I think we need some sort of macro which just moves out all crabs, regardless which crabs they are, and one for all lobsters, regardless which lobsters they are and, that it works not only for a container in one's own backpack, but also for an external one like a blue beetle, a pack horse/llama or a container just laid on the ground of the pier.

    And no, I would NOT reduce the number of regular crabs and regular lobsters fished up. As it is, is ok with me.

    By the way, has anyone found a way to set up a macro that works for each trap from pull up to empty it to redeploying into the sea ? Classic Client ? Enhanced Client ? UOAssist ?

    As of now, I have to double click trap in the sea to pull it up, double click again the trap while in my backpack to empty it out and then double click it again to re-deploy it at sea (or use a last object macro which often fails and I have to press it twice to make it work as once is not enough....).

    Being able to have a macro that does it all, pull it up, empty it out and redeploy it at sea would save quite some clicking....
     
  2. Wenchkin

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    I've got 2 bags that I use the organizer agent for - one set for my traps (both facings) and the other does all my crabs and lobsters. You only need one macro to put all your catch in a bag, you set the key for one of the 3 organizer bags, allocate a bag and then you can add as many item types as you want to the box below. So it's easy to sort your catch and traps once you're setup.

    Then take a pause sometime and unload into the hold/packie etc. The only additional sorting I do is to throw the plain crabs and lobsters at my kitsune so they don't weigh me down.

    I haven't found a macro that works to pull up traps from the sea, but you can certainly deploy them with UOA macros. Lay out your formation while you record, then convert the lines to use item type and target relative location with a 1000 pause between. My fisher has 2 macros on her mouse in UOA. Scroll down drops the traps in their bag and after I tell the use once agent to use the items in that bag I scroll up to cycle through and empty them all. Then hit my organizer agent to drop crabs n lobsters in my fishing bag. Not absolutely perfect but very easy and in honesty if you made it so 1 macro could do the lot, that really encourages unattended macroing ;)

    I have no idea with bobs and sectors though, I tend to grab a small pack of traps at a time where I can deploy and grab them with minimal movement. Saves me losing a trap too often. I haven't tried trapping on a grander scale because it seems to end up with a more frantic trap grabbing when you have too many traps out :D But I've not investigated other folks trap macros and methods, so I doubt I'm all that efficient yet. I don't have a huge issue with the bobbing, perhaps I'd prefer it to take longer before a trap disappeared or an indicator that the trap was about to vanish, but I'm not experienced enough to comment much beyond that ;)

    Wenchy
     
  3. Popps, I'd suggest you try the Enhanced Client. That would take care of 3 of your 4 "suggestions." Pinco has a mod that should help with the bobbing when he is done with it. And you never cover anything in your backpack wit the grid. Try it, you might like it.
     
  4. Basara

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    Frankly, I'd rather just have the changes to traps reverted.

    Sure, I lost more traps then - but I also got 2-3 times more crabs and lobsters than now, even with the losses. Some traps had 5 or 6 in them.
     
  5. popps

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    Eh, I wished I could............unfortunately, my current hardware does not allow me to play the EC smoothly enough to enjoy the game.

    I can run it, but ackwardly. I need to first update my hardware and then I will be able to enjoy the EC.

    But thanks.
     
  6. cdavbar

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    Now popps i dont mean to be a troll so if you take it like that im sorry in advance. Now as ive stated previously. YOU DONT HAVE TO be a scriptor to be a member on their forums. YOU DONT HAVE TO BE a scriptor to see what scripts are available to those that use them.

    That being said if you had done any research you would know that in fact lobster fishing CAN be scripted. Even the new fish are setup to be scripted and sorted based on type etc etc.

    It does not take a scriptor or cheater to find this out. Do your research. Take a few min to investigate things and you would know this.
     
  7. Gowron

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    Lobster traps don't have to necessarily sink when filled to capacity. Sometimes it may actually be wear and tear or debris puncturing the floating marker. Either way, the traps are fine as they are. If you don't want to lose traps, then bring them in and recast periodically.

    I'm sure the Devs have bigger problems to fix than this.
     
  8. I know Popps said he won't use the Enhanced Client, but for those of you who do Pinco is working on a new mod which includes:

    - You can now create healthbars of the ship hold (from the menu bar button), in this manner you can open it quickly when needed.
    - You can now create healthbars on lobster trap (from the menu bar button), that will show you a tiny window with the trap status (is created automatically when "bob").
    - The healthbar of the lobster traps name is BLUE for your trap and RED for the others.
    - Increased the size of maps except the treasures one.
    - Added the "You See" message 2D style.
    - Added the Fishing Monger points calculator to the quest crate (will create also a list of requirements and point required on journal)
    - Now you will read the the message "Uh oh! That doesn't look like a fish!" over your head.

    http://www.guain.it/screen/lobster traps.png
     
  9. Umfufu

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    This ....
     
  10. Twooflower

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