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Devs...Please read..maximum importance for PvP world.

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Widow Maker, Jul 28, 2011.

  1. Widow Maker

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    Thank you for the changes to PvP but you have created a massive emergency issue that must be addressed.

    The most growing and abused template is now:

    Gargoyle:

    120 Throwing
    120 Tactics
    120 Anat
    120 Healing
    120 Resist
    120 Ninja

    You run with 150-170 hp / 50-90 mana / 180+ stam in wolf form

    You can not be purged out of wolf form.
    You can not be para'd (with box).
    You can not be mana vamped.
    You laugh at Poison.


    You do not really use mana except to drop mirror images once in a while and the occasional dismount.

    You swing at max on all 3 throwing weapons. The regular damage is more than enough, no specials needed.

    The only viable templates to battle this template is a wrestle/parry scribe mage in protection. Good luck on that, as well.

    If you are on foot against this template, you are dead..period.

    If you fail to address this, there are going to be basically two types of templates in PvP.

    You were warned this would happen and chose to ignore the experience of those that actually play the game aggressively.

    Items to address:

    1. Mystic MUST be able to purge Ninja forms. *How many times did we BEG you to turn that back on*

    2. Drop base damage of the Glaive and the Cyclone.

    There was no excuse for this, now we have to count on you to repair the damage you have caused to happen.

    Please do so with all due haste.

    I both play and play against this template. It was wrong from day one on Test Center.
     
  2. Lynk

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    I've yet to die to this template, but have fought it a few times.

    It is irritating to kill for sure, but it is not an offensive juggernaut.
     
  3. Vexxed

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    Your adulation is appreciated !!

    I built it.. other's copied. It just amuses me to no end Widow that your solution is to beg the DEVS to nerf it lol. You do realize this template was built prior to the latest publish.... Anyway thx for the chuckle.
     
  4. puni666

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    This is the guy you ignore till you kill all of his friends.
     
  5. Bombastic Fail

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    While it's not "amazing"; I am just annoyed with the 50% HCI gargoyle hitting my 120 wrestle; 120 parry (80+ dex); 75% dci mage 3 out of 5 times.

    That is all. rolleyes:
     
  6. Widow Maker

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    Apparently Vexxed thinks he was the first to build it


    ...sorry to let the air out of your just over slightly inflated head but Bear was the very first to build it about 1 week after SA...you weren't even close. When I built mine, I asked him for the template from his spreadsheet. It was simply too gimp for him and we did not persue it at that time. I went and tested it on test center and immediately recognized that Bear was still right.

    Sorry to burst that little bubble of yours. :loser: Thank YOU for the chuckle.

    The 2 issues remain and need to be done. I purposely put the full template and tactics out there so more people will build them and thus, more will demand these 2 items be done.

    Of course the Devs COULD just simply recognize the problem and fix it without us having an uprising over it.
     
  7. Mr. Smither1

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    If a guy in wolf form(no specials, no spells) can kill you I feel sorry for you, try a bola they knock ninjas out of forms. My archer has a pre-patch imbued windsong that is 14-16 damage so my weapon should be nerfed too right(cyclone is 13-17).
     
  8. Hackers Blow

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    Well Vexxed was the first one I ever seen run it, so I would say he built it. He has proof by being the first person to run the template no one else. Props to Vexxed. I believe the main complainer is a stealth archer? Build another template to fight it or stop complaining. Ive seen the dogs get killed from a Zerg or unless WAKA tries to play them. I believe the answer to Baha mens question would be Vexxed!
     
  9. Viper09

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    Wasn't this discussed in full detail in another thread ending with WarUltima giving a nice detailed explanation of why that temp sucks?
     
  10. Widow Maker

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    If you feel that what is being said is not correct, get 4 or 5 friends and go to test.

    Build the suit and build the template.

    Have one person slated for dismounts and the rest as killers.

    Then see what you think of it.

    Wolf Pack in all it's glory
     
  11. Widow Maker

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    WU is your UO God? You don't tests things out for yourself? Blindly believe?

    ummmm.....

    First Rule of the Universe: Trust nothing, prove everything yourself.

    Follow it.
     
  12. Widow Maker

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    I am sorry...but I seem to be -1 intelligence after reading this. :sad4:

    Thank you for your obvious...oh nevermind..I need to go recuperate after reading this. The answer would be beyond your ability to absorb anyways.
     
  13. Ender

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    You know that really doesn't seem all that overpowered.
     
  14. Viper09

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    Very moronic post there, congrats...and no. Here's another rule to add to your list btw: Never assume.
    I have seen the template on field, tried it too. It sucks.

    He just simply explained it very well towards the end of the thread where everyone already discussed it. Better than anyone in great detail.

    Here's the thread: http://vboards.stratics.com/uhall/246075-pvp-changes-gargoyles.html
     
  15. icm420

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    It is not the template but the person behind the template...


    I do think gargs hit too much, I have a dexxer with 120 parry 140dex 120 weapon skill, 65-70 DCI and I was footed non stop, hit more then when I am disarmed by a dexxer and mortaled constantly. I don't know if it is overpowered but it's not fun to fight against, and in my opinion will result in fel being boring again. I personally have no interest in fighting a pack of them. But thats how UO is, one "gimp" to the next because everyone has to win not just fight.

    But lets me honest here, they had to put a reason in to play a gargoyle. I refuse to play one and never will, terrible race and terrible introduction to them in my opinion. SO yah lets make them strong so people may play them.
     
  16. Lord_Puffy

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    QFT :scholar:
     
  17. Orgional Farimir

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    It was too gimp for Bear but not too gimp for someone who runs 3 stealthers on all 7 accounts he owns.

    I have so many responses that I can pick just 1 so I won't pick any.
     
  18. Goldberg-Chessy

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    1) Anyone who dies to a character unable to effectively do specials has more issues then the Dev's can fix.

    2) I think that your real issue may be the inability to deal with being put on foot.

    Just because you can no longer play 1 god-mode template doesnt mean that the Dev's should address anything. Adapt and have fun. You have more then 1 character slot on your account last time I checked.
     
  19. Nakukak

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    Depends on which server actualy..
    If Mugen or Siege Perilous, he only has 1.
     
  20. Goldberg-Chessy

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    Good point but I honestly don't think that is where he is talking from.
     
  21. Goldberg-Chessy

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    Honestly I just can't come close to agreeing with the OP's supposed issues.

    1) He complains that a wolf form Gargoyle can't be para'd because of crates. That holds true for ALL templates. Whats his real point?
    template against them
    2) He complains that they laugh at poison. Huh? How so? Because they are using pots jewels? Al templates can use pots jewels. Whats his real point?

    3) He complains that they can't be purged out of form. Thats as it should be. Why the fark should a Mystic be able to cast a spell to take anyone out of form in the first place? Makes no sense at all. Not to mention that every sane person playing the game realizes that Mystics are still a bit overpowered in the first place.
    You can still bola them out of form so any complaint about form is null and void. If you have such huge issues with animal form you should be playing a character that can bola.

    4) He complains that they can't be mana vamped. I say BS to that. Why cant they?
    You can bola them out of form and mana vamp them all day. They will not be able to re-cast form for long enough that you can effectively figth them or chase them off.

    Bottom line is it quite obviously seems that the OP wants to keep playing his god-mode Mystic as is without ever having to adapt.

    In his own sumnation(in red letters no less)he says:

    "1. Mystic MUST be able to purge Ninja forms. *How many times did we BEG you to turn that back on*

    2. Drop base damage of the Glaive and the Cyclone"

    Hrmm, beef up Mystic more with purge and nerf the other templates weapons?

    Why not just say "make my template stronger and nerf everyone elses"
    Wait, dont just say that. "Beg" for it as the OP did in his post lol
     
  22. Ender

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    They can't be mana-vamped because of resist.

    But that's good. Resist should be useful for something.
     
  23. Promathia

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    These templates are good....on test center.

    If people have problems with the template on a real shard then you have some major problems with your own character.
     
  24. Goldberg-Chessy

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    My bad, missed the 120 resist part.

    The few people I have fought running the template on Atlantic have hiding instead of resist so I just assumed :(
     
  25. Widow Maker

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    Goldie..you know I luv ya brotha...please..look at the template. Better yet..come fight my clone on any template you like. You will suddenly see what I mean. And also understand why so many are afraid of the 2 items i posted, chances are high that they are running it as well.

    Fight me on any template except the one I mentioned.
     
  26. Goldberg-Chessy

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    I don't know who you are but I just don't see the emergency.

    Sure they are damn near impossible to kill but they just dont pack enough offensive punch to be seriously lethal IMO.

    Now if you were to run into one of them also chucking purples & shurikens that would be scary. Uh oh!...
     
  27. Widow Maker

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    Bingo...and try running into 4+ at one time.
     
  28. WarUltima

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    LoL

    Try running into 4 disarm moving shot archers. Which is 10 folds worse than 4 doggie throwers, because they cant moving shot.

    4 Mysts quad spell plague, trigger bombard on full run. Which is again 10 folds worse than 4 doggie throwers. Because unless they suck like the ones in certain newb zerg guild, you are gonna instant die.

    4 tamer archers with dreads and bakes and drive by insta-dismount you. Its like on foot with 4 moving shot archers with 8 pets on you thats chain casting and fire breathing.

    4 Tamer mages pretty much the same thing.

    4 Noxxers just chaining LP on you over and over (up to 4 lethal poisons every 1.25 seconds).

    So what's your point?

    The real issue here I see is the famous "PEBCAK" on the OP.

    Also the OP cannot play any type of casters worth any sult. OP is in a zerging guild with a lot of mystic mages and the sole purpose of the OP is he stealth dismount you so his boyfriends can zerg you. And apperently he got face down in the dirt ass up in the sky by Vexxed while 5 of his friends were watching in a 6v1 zerg and OP managed to die to Vexxed in a 6v1 (which isnt hard considering the OP is arguably the easiest kill on shard that everyone focus on).

    He also has 7 active accounts (as mentioned previously by different poster) and each one of his account has at least 3 stealth archers on em. Heck he has 4 exactly the same stealth archer named exactly the same, so when we stat him he have to stat him on 12 different characters but then his 1st char will be outta stat so he pretty much pvp on cycling characters and dismount while his friends zerg you.

    The doggie template me and Vexxed used to talk about it all the time. It takes some serious manuveur to kill someone coz you get no special AND that someone has to suck in PvP. Also shifting out to dismount at the wrong time can get you killed QUICK in a 1v5+ when you dont have smoke bomb (like 1 of OP's 12 stealth archers). We usually fight them way outnumbered thus Vexxed made a character thats focused heavily in survival especially in 1v 5+ situation we often run into and centers himself around killing the weakest link among the zerg 1 by 1.

    Template itself is very lacking in offensive department, but sometimes we are forced to play it because me having to stand against a zerg pack packing (with dedicated stealth dismount archer that does nothing but to dismount you for his friends to zerg you...eg, OP) at least 500% more than our number 85% of the time.

    Learn your character better, and you really shouldnt be pvping if you are getting killed by a dexer with no special whatsoever while you have animal form urself + smoke bomb + stealth + hiding + a zerg pack watching and caring over you vs 1 much more skilled solo player that decided to fight against all odds.

    PEBCAK man PEBCAK that's all I can say.
     
  29. Widow Maker

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    Wow..WU..you still seem to be pretty upset that I forced you to run off 2 shards. LOL. Let it go, some of us are just going to be always above you in skills. Accept it and walk away...oh wait...you did walk away. :popcorn:

    As far as your info, if it was even 1% correct..I would give you some sort of props. Sorry..not even close..not only on my personal AND game info but your game assessments either. Guess that is why we were always better than you. :thumbup1:

    Taking advice from someone who admitted defeat, on both a game and personal level, and ran off with tail firmly tucked is likely not the person you want to be taking advice from. Unlike some of the obvious sheep here, I do know you and know how wrong you are most of the time. Be careful using PEBCAK / PICNIC, word is they were referring to you when it was formulated. :thumbdown: :loser:

    Well... since I am now seeing more and more of these templates running around, it's just a matter of time. :thumbup:
     
  30. Violence

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    I just fought this Template on Europa. It is very difficult to just rush, dump Mana and DPS and kill it even with 3-4 people. UNLESS that's 3-4 well organized people and pull off the right Specials when they should. Then it happens just as fast as with any other Template. It is also lacking in Offense, but not to the point where it can't kill a target.

    My conclusion is it's not much more annoying than any FOTM we've seen.

    50% HCI on Gargs? I thought their +5% would not go over the Cap.

    One other thing since you all mentioned it.. This whole Poison being OPed is seriously just BS. People Cure and Pot against it really fine, as predicted. Not much changed.
     
  31. WarUltima

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    BTW i still have the op on ignore. dont know what other bs he came up with to cover up his inability to pvp.

    yes as i said this temp is made to survive, especially effective against no skill zerg guilds and op is in a famous no skill zerggy guild thus this qq post.

    organized group will have no problem taking out that template. its basically a thrower template with no specials. it is again a very durable template capable of fighting and killing a small pack of pvp newbies solo since they are not good at pvp. and if you want a proof, just look at this thread. lol and the only baddie here that seems to agree with the op, is op himself.

    advise to op, stop playing on stealthers and learn to stand solo on pvp battlefield without a zerg pack, learn to play various templates other than a stealth archer, one day you will get better.

    welcome to fel/pvp kiddo. =)
     
  32. Widow Maker

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    WU has to have me on ignore, he never could stand looking at the truth. Horrid PvPer that was just an ATM to me.

    That aside, This template is much stronger than he leads you to believe, especially is you have multiples on the screen. The smart ones use Shurikens and Fukiyas heavily and are VERY effective in 1v1. Put 2 or more together and ..well..good luck on that.

    My statement stands. The 2 items mentioned need to be implemented, as more and more of these templates show up...you will hear much more about them.

    I encourage anyone who likes to not only live through about anything and be able to kill just about anyone (have a friend dismount someone...lol) easily..make these templates and run with them. Remember the Fukiyas and Shurikens.
     
  33. Gunga_Din

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    Bring back the days of 7xGM and GM only gear. I don't even know why u guys bother with PVP in this game, its just too screwy lol.

    Actually I'm just too old for PVP anymore and just wait till i can get in on a gank.
     
  34. G.v.P

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    Thanks for quotation, Puni666--Widow, don't use green text please, lol.

    Can't you dismount/bola the garg out of ninja form? I understand throwers have much higher DPS than archers, but this same template has been viable w/ archery for years (plus archers have better special moves). I think it's pretty obvious, and I've said it before, just nerf ninjitsu. W/o poisoning skill a player shouldn't be able to use a poisoned shuriken etc.
     
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    Widow is simply doing the only thing he can to fight this template... which is complain to the DEVS & do some begging bc his squad cannot handle DOGS. I'f I had to guess I'd say it was a 6 v 6 @ primeevil Lich that prompted him to post this.

    Widows Team:
    Myst Mage x 4
    Garg Tact Mage x 1
    Disarm Archer x 1

    My Team:
    Garg Wolf Thrower x 4
    Poison Disarm Archer x 1
    Dread Tamer Archer x 1

    Anyway... Widows Team basically choked it up behind the building with Collosus / Fields & had 4 Mages Crossheal the one Archer who was dismounting. If any one Garg Wolf Thrower got dismounted it generally would take 3 Mages to focus & kill it, but since all 4 were Xhealing Their dismounter they never Synced well. Actually that's the only reason they died is because when they actually trid OFFENSE they'd leave a hole for us to pound them. 1 guy Xhealing the Target of 4 others etc. The Short version is ...

    My Tactics > Widows Tactics.

    That's why he's complaining. They want a simple Rock / Paper / Scissors this temp beats that temp. I mean heck.. They were still trying to para spam 120 resist chars 10 minutes into the fight. I guess they just couldn't fathom a character in Wolf form having resist. Anyway... The temp isn't GOD mode.. It's tough / Durable / & has more offense than what people woudl expect, but by the same token... Not archer = no moving shot , Not Melee Skill = No hitting people on the move. Don't stop & you won't take dmg from it etc.. lol. Or EFIELDS ftw sheesh.... pfield = Tbox etc.. Ah well, I'm done heh.... Thx for the chuckles Widow!