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Devs.... Please remove the Bulls !!!!!!

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Tycolby, Mar 9, 2009.

  1. Tycolby

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    Tired of seeing every other person at the Jheloms pens running scripts to train taming. If your able to tame a bull and change the name then they run around looking for " A Bull" and never find one. The easiest solution here would be to remove the reason why the pens are so visited, The Bulls. Just remove the bulls and leave everything else there.
     
  2. Vexxed

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    Umm... not even close ...


    There will always be a "Most efficient" Method & as long as scripting engines are available there will be people who use them to automate the "BEST" ways to do things... Removing those bulls just means people would find other spots... It's kinda like closing down the corner store 7-11 just bc theives keep robbing it.... Perhaps doing somethign about the theives in general or the "GUNS" they use to do the theft is the way to go??? I'd settle for the GM's actually using common sense and start using the good ole

    If it walks like a duck
    If it quacks like a duck

    ... currently if you go to heartwood on just about any shard you'll find a handful of DUCKS that swear up and down they aren't ducks when kindly given (the MANDATORY EA POLICY) a few minutes to begin their preaching about how they are indeed NOT DUCKS.... lol IT's an amazing thing that if you give any scripter enough time to respond they magically aren't scripters anymore.... what a surprise... If GM's would do sneaky stuff like perma paralyze / making a monster invun / blocking routes etc.. and just watch how scripted characters react or fail to react it would be easy as pie for them to determine who is and who isn't actually at their keyboard...

    *END RANT* lol.
     
  3. Mark Trail

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    No need for developers to get involved. Use PLAYER JUSTICE.

    1- Tame a bull and pull it far away but still on Jhelom island. Then release it. No new bull respawns in the pen.

    2- Tame, release, bring in your other tamer, tame and release again. This brings it up to 90 required taming skill. The scripter will try and fail for a very very long time.

    3- Tame, rename to "a goat," then release the bull.

    4- If you don't have any tamers at all, say something nasty to a bull. Let it get red faced with anger, and chase you out of the pen. When it gets far from home, you run away and disappear.

    Me, I'd rather go tame gamans (68.7 skill required). Less competition for more animals.
     
  4. why not kill the bulls since your hunting for leather or if in fel kill the tamer since your out pvping i dont get why this is an issue
     
  5. rockytriton

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    Use method #1 or #4. Most scripts will only try retaming a bull a few times then give up and kill it. The scripts don't look for "a bull" they look for the object ID of a bull, which you can't spoof.
     
  6. Deaol

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    If your going to remove the bulls, might aswell take it further and remove all the spawn on ice island...

    Kind of annoying coming back to my house and seeing every animal named "NWB" or "Polar BearXXX"

    :spider:
     
  7. Basara

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    You forgot #5.

    Get all the Giant Serpents on the island to chase you into the pen, and recall out.
     
  8. Dragonchilde

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    Wait... what's this about saying something nasty to the bull?

    This sounds like something fun!
     
  9. Ender

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    Or here's a brilliant idea nobody would ever think of, STOP THE SCRIPTING. No more god damn bandaid fixes.
     
  10. Storm

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    lol I like the way you think
     
  11. von Beck

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    #6 Fix taming skill gain rate....
     
  12. Wenchkin

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    There is no point removing one animal spawn area when there are a miriad of others that said cheats will turn to instead.

    Best way is to report each and every bot tamer. Some come back and get past the GM test, but I suggest paging first and only resorting to other action if that doesn't work.

    One of the easiest ways to disrupt a bull tamer there is to attack a bull they're taming and pull it out the pen, over the teleporter and pop them through it. Some scripts suss this out and won't go in, but I find it works most times.

    And remember that while you may be trying to disrupt a scripter by moving bulls etc, other legit tamers may be coming in and finding the bulls missing too. Try to be fair on the legit guys and either bring bulls back when the bot leaves, or move them into the adjacent pen so others can find them easily.

    Wenchy
     
  13. rockytriton

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    EXACTLY

    Why the hell should I get carple tunnel syndrome just to play a stupid video game?? Grinding is freaking LAME
     
  14. WarUltima

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    Luring creatures with the intention to kill other players on Trammie land is a bannable offense... at least thats what I was told (warned?) by a GM when I tried to kill a scriptor at swoops.
     
  15. Hanna

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    The reason they do that is so other people can see that they have been tamed and released. Which is usefull for theose trying to tame at a litle higher difficulty. As tamed and released animals take higher skills to tame. So instead of just releasing it you rename it so other people know whether to try taming it.

    If they were running a script they wouldn't need to rename them, they would be able to tell which ones they tamed regardless. Also they would probably kill every one they tamed so a new one would respawn.
     
  16. Basara

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    If the scripter isn't there when the serpents follow you in, it can hardly be luring against them. At that point it becomes a matter of someone foolishly going AFK after arriving at a spot and not taking care of aggro spawn present, that are naturally occuring on the island.
     
  17. uoBuoY

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    Here's something else you should definitely not do, ever!
    Never tame a GD, take it to the pens, announce 6 times that your going to release the GD and then release the GD.
    Never, ever try this at home kids.
     
  18. Viper09

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    :bowdown:
     
  19. SDragor

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    I recently was there, training taming myself. However, I soon got bored and gated myself into a dungeon. Now one of these stupid tamers followed me through that gate, wandering around in circles on Ogre Lord Island in Despise. Not for long though, cause the Ogre Lords soon feasted upon his remains...
     
  20. Maximus Neximus

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    Do we really have to have this discussion AGAIN!?!? Griefing is griefing. Can we please lock this thread before it gets any worse?
     
  21. SDragor

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    Looks like we have a macroer's friend here...
     
  22. Basara

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    None of the things mentioned so far are considered griefing, by EA's rules, if done in Fel.

    And, as one cannot call "dibs" on a monster (also in EA's stated rules), there's nothing against the rules to sitting on the fence, and practicing your EVs inside the pen, on either Britannian facet. You can't tame what takes damage before you can tame it.
     
  23. Harlequin

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    This sounds like a job for the mighty "Stealth tamer/herder from Hell"! *cues trumpet*

    If you only knew what a herder can do... I have no idea why some tamers can so doggedly follow my herded bull into the jungles full of dangerous serpents... I mean there 2 other bulls left in the pens.

    Or, less evil - if you start a taming attempt before the scripter... No griefing at all, I am just competing. I asked him nicely if we could take turns, but he was so rude, he didn't say a word and just ran to the next bull that spawned and started taming. Well, since he wants to play who gets the bull first...

    Sometimes they leave the bull alone after I have started to tame it and goes back to stand in the middle of the pen.

    Since they are nice in this case, I will play nice too. Once I have tamed the bull, I will release it for the other tamer to tame. Higher difficulty better gains right? If it's too difficult they can kill it. Not sure most of them will leave them alone though...They have no issues killing those bulls they tamed and released...

    They just blatantly ignore the bulls that I tamed and released (so, you think you are too good for my second hand bulls do ya? the arrogance!), while fighting with me over the new bulls that have spawned...I think they are just shy/pouting and are waiting for me to leave. Well, alright, once I have tamed all 3 and released them I will go somewhere else. That way they can kill my released bulls without anyone see them do it.

    At other times I see competitive sods that keep trying to tame and follow the bull I have already tamed, I'll run away with my bull following me. Let's see how far he chases my tamed bull and stalks me into the jungle, hrmph.

    Sometimes I will leave the bull on the other side of the pen and close the doors just to spite them. I swear to you, these people get so furious that sometimes they just stare at my bull from the other side of the fence. Maybe they don't know how to open the gates to the pens...Ha! Like I care! I am so not teaching them how to open the pen gates!

    Ok, maybe once, but once they get out, I am not going to show them how to open the gates from the outside! Not unless they ask.

    At other times, I ask them:

    "So, how far are you from GM taming?"

    Sometimes they just stop moving, at other times, they recall away. Talk about being unfriendly, it's not like I have warts on my face...

    ps: To OP, just removing bulls won't really work, it's a bandaid fix, they'll just go to other places.
     
  24. Maximus Neximus

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    Or I know that two wrongs don't make a right. I would appreciate if you wouldn't assume anything as it usually leads to more trouble. I cannot tell you how many times I've had people bug me while taming trying to police. I've had someone release pets in Tram there which killed me while I was there taming. People are on a witch hunt and assume everyone is a scripter.

    Now if you're in Fel all is fair.
     
  25. Wenchkin

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    Let's not upset any little bots. There is no need to resort to gating into dungeons or releasing/pulling in aggressive critters. No bot is worth getting even a GM warning on your account.

    Firstly, page on the tamer and give GMs the opportunity to check them out.

    If that doesn't work, it may be that you need to page again later when another GM is on, I've had a few who passed muster first time then vanished the second. Possibly they thought the'd get away with being AFK the second day and went fully unattended. But I haven't seen a legit tamer who ran round the exact same points in the pen repeatedly and tried in vain to release and kill a pet that wasn't his. Or one who wouldn't say "mind releasing the bulls?" if I tamed everything and stood in the pen. Jumping on the same bull your taming while there's another right behind him is another obvious one. Tamer bots are the easiest to spot, in fact the only time I got someone wrong it turned out he was there, but he was actually setting up his script rather than running it LMAO. Yes, he actually said he was setting a macro up for scripting. Not much fear among the cheats these days.

    Here are some legal ways you can deal with a bot without upsetting or causing him harm...

    Herders: herd a bull the bot is taming over the teleporter outside. Most scripters will pop through the teleporter and stop taming.

    Gaters: don't gate to a dungeon, gate to a room in Jhelom Inn.

    And for anyone else, I generally just tame the bulls and release them in the pen next to the main one. Scripts aren't capable of looking beyond their set pathways, and that ensures that other non cheating tamers can get to the bulls easily.

    Of course, there are the really annoying scripters who are actually attended and get past the GM test each and every time. They're a real menace to deal with and imune to teleporting or gating. These guys are the one reason alone why you should never do anything that even smells like griefing, because they do the exact same things as bots. You won't know they're there until you mess with the bot and they react immediately. Usually in fairly colourful language :D With these guys you can try paging though, I tend to look out for them at really quiet times and ensure I first visit with a stealther. Sometimes they're dumb enough to be unattended when they think the shard is empty.

    It's a real pity that scripting alone is not enough for a GM to ban. They have to be unattended even if they're clearly quacking like a good bot in every respect. As long as your attended it seems you can do what you like. No wonder PvP cheats get away with it.

    Wenchy