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DEVs, the Shard Shields should really be made changeable every month...

Discussion in 'UHall' started by popps, Nov 9, 2011.

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  1. popps

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    I will try to explain my point on why I think Shard Shields should be made with the Shard changeable from one month to another and not fixed as it is now.

    But first of all, we need to try understand which Veteran players the Shard Shields favour the most as they are now.

    Also, we need to attempt guessing the concerns and wishes that the Developers might have had when designing this particular new Reward.

    Let's start with this last one.

    Personally, I "think" that when designing this Reward, the Developers may have tried to make it so that it would have been appealing but without harming much the sales a transfer token codes.

    I think this, because it has been made account bound and also only eligible to 14th Year Veteran accounts which means, a very limited number of players. Therefore, while being highly appealing, its use will be so limited that it won't really affect much the sales of transfer tokens. To my opinion, a very ingenuous design as it creates something very appealing to younger account age players thus providing a sound reason to maintain their accounts as active to eventually also qualify for it, but at the same time not inbalancing for the game nor much of a problem for revenues.

    Now, this said, we need to analyze the issue of the fixed shard and whether making it changeable from one month to the other, would have changed any of this.

    As it stands now, with a fixed shard design, to which Veteran Players will this Veteran Reward appeal ?

    Well, as I see it, to those Veteran players who need to do a lot of transfers (at least once a month...) between the same 2 shards. They can now pick 2 Shields and go back and forth the same 2 shards for free at least once a month.
    Assuming that this need/desire was there also before the Shield was designed, this means that these Veteran players with a need/desire to go back and forth the same 2 shards were already, albeit more rarely, doing their transfers between those 2 shards thus buying up transfer token codes.

    So, clearly the opportunity given now to these category of Veteran players will mean that, instead of having to buy transfer token codes as they have done until now, now they will be able to do it free, at least once a month.

    Now, let's look at another category of 14th Year Veteran players, those who do not care much or have no particular need to transfer between the same 2 shards often.

    These players, since they have no desire nor need to transfer to any 2 fixed shards, were buying no transfer token codes. Now, out of sheer curiosity they "might" now want to enjoy a transfer here and a transfer there were they been given a free opportunity, but they really have no reasons to actually pay money for transfers which they have no need or strong desire for.

    Yet, since their transfers are not needed nor much wanted, as the Shard Shields are now, with a fixed shard location, this Reward is of not much interest to them and picking it would be just a wasted 14th Year pick. If they picked the Shield, then they would be stuck with accumulating a whole lot of tokens for that particular shard over the months and since they have no need nor desire for sistematic and periodical transfers to the same one shards, those tokens would be left only taking up storage space. A waste of a high end pick, that is.

    So, I wonder, what dramatic and disastrous consequences might have making the Shard changeable from one month to another ?

    I see none.

    Neither I see any loss of revenue, because casual transferers already have no interest in spending money on transfer tokens and are not buying them codes anyways, nor I see any inbalancing added to the Shard Shields if they were to have their Shard location be able to be changed from one month to the other. The veteran players who have need/desire for frequent transfers will already make their picks and mass production of transfer tokens for those shards they are interested in. So, this change would have no impact whatsoever on the frequent transferers.

    But I do see an additional positive effect: the making of this Reward also appealing to Veteran players who have no need to always transfer between the same 2 shards but might want, out of curiosity, to visit a shard here and a shard there every couple of months.

    That is, this little change to the way the Shard Shield works might make this Reward -at really not much of a consequential cost-, also usefull to a set of Veteran players who have no need nor desire for frequent transfers but might enjoy relaxed visits to other Shards other than their home shard every couple of months (for a round trip 2 tokens are needed).

    Otherwise, if they stay as they are now, with a fixed Shard location, chances are that while those Veteran players who already had the need for frequent transfers between the same 2 shards (and who were likely already spending money on transfer tokens to do that...) will make wide advantage of them, those Veteran players who were not spending money on transfer tokens because of their scarce or inexistant need/desire to transfer, will be left out from taking advantage of thie new Reward because, being for a fixed Shard location, they might not be interested in wasting a 14th Year Veteran Rewards pick that will end up building up a pile of unused transfer tokens, all to the same one shard, over the course of the months to come.

    While I congratulate with the Developers for their ingenuity in designing and adding this new Veteran Reward to the game, I hope that the Developers might want to reconsider their Design and add the ability to change the Shard from one month to another thus making this item also interesting for casual transferers and not only for intensive transfers users.

    Thank you.
     
  2. Salivern_Diago

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    Sorry Popps but I have to disagree with you on this. The Sheilds are a deco item that gives something special each month. Now each Shard Shield has different artwork thats unique. I couldnt support any call to change them in the way you are suggesting.

    If the Dev's made it a gold sink to change the shield then maybe.. As in using a NPC Herald to change the shield to another location (And thus change the artwork) but then I would say it would have to cost 20-30mil as a minimum. 14 year Vet's will either use the shields as they are now or wont. Its thier choice and so far alot of 14 year Vet's have been pleased with the reward, so if the Vets are not complaining about it, why is everyone else?

    My vote - Keep as they are now, as intended.
     
  3. Gospel

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    Popps, with as much over thinking of trivial topics as you do and with the amount of time it must take you to throw together these long-winded and often nonsensical posts, I'm surprised you have any time to log in. The impact of many of these issues that you so love to beat to death on your personal play style (much less anyone else's) is so minuscule you probably wouldn't even know they existed if you didn't spend your entire day rooting through forums looking for something to complain about.

    Sometimes it's in your best interest (and certainly ours) to just shut up and play the game.
     
  4. aarons6

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    i can guarantee that vets have plenty of rewards, i stopped getting vet rewards years ago.. by the time im 14 years ill have atleast 10 picks.
    now if they dont come out with anything else cooler, or these arent purchasable like all the other vet rewards are i might pick a few.

    possibly tho if they are transferable and since gold is no problem, ill have a few of them to the shards i want before i turn 14 years :)
     
  5. Ezekiel Zane

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    You want to transfer to and from 10 different shards? Use up 11 veteran reward picks. Buck-up man, buck up!
     
  6. popps

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    I cannot find any possible sound argument against making the Shield Shard transfer changeable from one month to another.

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    It will not be over used by those Veteran Players already planning to use it since they will anyway crank out every token they can out of the shield and use them all. So, whether fixed or changeable makes no difference to these players.

    2)
    It will not reduce revenues because it will make this reward usable to casual transfer veteran players who were not planning to buy any transfer token anyways. They are not interested in transfer nor need them and so, they already did not intend to spend money on them. Giving to these veteran players the chance to make a trip every 2 months will not cause much loss of revenues.

    So, I see no negatives or hardly any but on the contrary I do see positives : A reward which as of now can only be of interest to veteran players who need or want to transfer intensively between 2 shards will also be usable (now it is not much appealing in this sense) by those veteran players who are not interested in intensive transferring BUT might want to enhance their playing and enjoyment from the game by occasionaly, every couple of months, visit a shard here and a shard there since they would have a free option.

    So, I see positives from this change but hardly any negatives so why not ??
     
  7. popps

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    If a Veteran player does not need to go back and forth any shard, periodically, but wants to go there only once in a while (not every month, that is...), as it is now, the player would end up piling up a whole lot of account bound transfer tokens which will be left unused and only taking up storage space all for nothing........

    Let's say that Player A is a 14th Year old account player with Atlantic as the home shard.

    This player wants to play a bit Pacific with his/her developed character but is not sure whether he/she will like it there. Wants to try it out, but results are unpredictable.

    Picks 2 Shard Shield Vet rewards for Pacific and Atlantic, gets a token and goes there.
    He hates it, does not like the shard at all, whatever the reasons. Gets back to Atlantic with the free token he claimed previously.

    Now, this players is stuck with a picked Shard Shield for Pacific which will crank out an account bound Pacific transfer token every month and forever which he/she will hardly ever use again.
    Twelve Pacific transfer tokens every year that goes by which will pile up over and over as time goes by.

    What good would this do to anyone if I may ask ?

    We have here a player upset with a wasted Veteran Reward, a pile of transfer tokens for Pacific which he won't be able to do much with as they are account bound and all this because the Shard Shield has not been made with the Shard changeable from one month to the other ?

    Honestly, I really see no reason whatsoever why this Reward must remain as such only intensive transfer veteran players will be able to use it a go-go while the casual transfer veteran player will just see hardly any appeal in it whatsoever.

    I mean, we want to appease intensive transfer veteran players but penalize those other casual transfer veteran players who "could" as well make good use of this Veteran Reward and enhance their enjoyment of the game "if" the shards locations where to be made changeable from one month to the other ?

    I do not understand it.
     
  8. Salivern_Diago

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    I think the question here Popps is what do the 14 year Vets want? Its all well and good those of us far from reaching 14 years harking on about what we'ld like and how to change it...

    But in truth its the 14 year vets whom should be asking for this, not us.
     
  9. popps

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    Well, I would guess, as with all things in life, that not all 14th Year Veteran players are the same.

    As there are indeed some who may want or need to transfer intensively from 2 given shards, I would imagine, that there are also other 14th Year Veteran players with different needs, not for intensive transfer between 2 given shards but with more "occasional" desire for transfer, if they were given a free chance every couple of months, to occasionally visit a shard now and another shard at another time, in 2 months time.

    My suggestion, basically, tries to make this new Veteran Reward appealing to both these categories of Veteran players and not just 1 as it is now (the intensive transfer Veteran players.....).

    Basically, I am trying to suggest this change to make this Reward more usefull so that it may contribute to enhance the game play also to the rest of the 14th Year Veteran players, the casual transfer players..........
     
  10. aarons6

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    you're getting this all wrong..

    there are 2 different kinds of players that these shields would work best for.

    it isn't for the ONCE in awhile transfer to another shard to TEST out to see whats going on.

    person A:
    this is the merchant type character. maybe those ones that have say a luna vendor mall on a shard the is very busy. this person would then select non populated shards to transfer to from time to time as they build up resources to take back to sell.. as it is a lot easier to farm stuff on slower shards to sell on busier ones.

    person B:
    this is the player that is on a really slow shard.. ones that its almost dead and impossible to find anything for sale..
    this player will select shields to busier shards, go there from time to time to buy up hard to find resources to take back. possibly to sell.

    its genius. :)
    i will be using the heck out of these things..
     
  11. Pops there doesnt need to be a sound argument. It aint happening. The reward didnt exit. Now it does as designed. You cant argue your point by saying there is not argument.

    You can say you have an opinion and please choose mine.

    I have 11 reward picks. I just keep them and buy stuff I want.

    Come 14 months I might have a shield room. Of course there are only like 4 places I might go.
     
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    If they did this, then I would probably never need to buy transfer tokens ever again. That's great for me, but not so great in terms of revenue for the company. I think they are fine the way they are now.
     

  13. Having a shield to take you to a shard appeals to everyone. This is a great reward.

    A true reward for a bound 14th vet.
     
  14. nynyve

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    I agree with Popps. It would be great to be able to change the shards. I was hoping to use this reward as an opportunity to explore different shards and do a little personal shopping, since many fun items are not available on Legends.

    Being able to transfer to and from 1 shard only would be very limiting. In fact I assumed I would be able to change it.

    No I am not planning to dominate Champ spawns or crash to UO economy. I don't do PVP and don't go to Fel.

    As for worrying about protecting the price of transfer tokens, that ship has sailed.
     
  15. Warpig Inc

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    14 year vet gets a set and find interest in popping into other shards. Hooked on the drug and not enough picks will in time buy tokens.

    Team of players want to go on a romp in another shard. With the tokens being account bound the younger accounts have to buy the two way trip.

    Interest in a shards event and timing and/or picks will have to buy a one way ticket.


    Has to be 14 year vet reward. How many 14 year vets have 10-12 year old accounts they have never chosen a reward on. I can see why the 14 year and account bound was chosen. In the balance of things the house has to have the odds in their favor to make a profit. Thinking with the deep pockets.


    I do like the ideal of the tokens not be account bound and just the shields. Those players that never seem to run out of transfer tokens to sell. Their tears raising the water level of Sosaria, priceless. And 12 year old account having a real reason to play 2 more years, LOL.

    Whats the harm in shard travel salesmen selling one way return tickets that the buyer would have to also purchased a token to go to the shard of interest. They put out a token once a month. Active shard transfer habit with limited supply of tokens may have players buying real trans tokens for real money. Then the slim chance EA uses money on the game that generated the funds instead putting out another failure game.
     
  16. Salivern_Diago

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    Your missing the point I'm making Popps...

    Many of us are far from being 14 year vets, yet I've not seen any 14 year vets asking for this to be changed. From what I've seen they've all been excited about getting some free X-fer tokens. While I respect your right to have an opinon you have to also look at the facts. You as well as I are far from being 14 year vets and these rewards are not ment for us... yet. Let the 14 Year Vet's ask for a change as it effects them directly, not you or I.

    If I were a 14 year vet I would be over the moon with these shields are they are. It would mean I could still have a base on one shard yet shard hop to join mates on other shards as and when requested. Perfect reward IMO.
     
  17. Lord Frodo

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    As many times as I have put down Popp's ideas (and that's is a lot) this one is NOT a bad idea.

    To all the nay sayers you are just reenforcing why these shoud be changable. People that will use these will use them as they are and never what or need to change them. They already have the shards they want to sell/buy/farm selected. Here is hoping that other players do not pick the same shards as you and you are stuck with worthless xfer tokens and shields. I am sure others have the same thing in mind as you do.

    Popps idea is more for the person that will not use these because they do not want to be stuck with a worthless shield. This would be more geared to the player that would like to take thier developed char over to another shard to test the waters on maybe a new home shard. Yes I know we can all make a char on that shard but it is not the same as taking a developed char to try a new shard.

    These shields will produce a 12 tokens a year so to make sure there is a cost to do this then let it be that when there is a token to claim that you have a choice
    #1 you can claim the token and go buy/sell/farm to your hearts content or
    #2 you can change the shield to another shard and you lose the token. That way you may visit other shards 6 times a year.

    This would be a win/win for all because the sellers/buyers/farmers will still use them as they are but maybe those that might not use them will now use them to visit other shards for a look around or go to the rares fest that is held every 3-4 months
     
  18. Lightfoot

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    This is a thread which demonstrates the triumph of wishful thinking over reading comprehension. Please re-read the description of these shields carefully. You will see the point is moot.

    Lightfoot
     
  19. enderz

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    Making the shields a 14 year vet reward means many many of us should just look away at this point.

    Since UO will be closing their servers before they reach 6-8 more years, for us with 4+ years, to get to use em will be null n void by that time anyway.
     
  20. Salivern_Diago

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    Thats your view Enderz, one that the majority of the players here including the Dev's DONT share. Dark Age of Camelot and Warhammer will close long before UO does.

    My oldest account is 11 years and that was gifted to me. I'm still not 100% sure I want to reactivate it yet.
     
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    No.

    If you do not know the reasons why then the answer is incomprehensible to you anyways.
     
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    Well I for one feel really really stoopid right now...cause the onlly description I have seen for them is that they are coming...they won't redeed if a house falls, and the "tokens" they give are account bound. Never in what I have read did I see where the "shields" we account bound, I havent read whether an account <14 years could *use* one if an old account got one to give em. (Talking shield, not token)
    This is where as much as I hate to admit it, I have to sound like Popps, someone should be stepping up to the plate from EAORIGINMYTHICBIOWARE and saying something. I mean, my God peeps, come on, a post as long as this one I am making, with details and facts would end all the polls, all the griping, all the questions.
     
  23. enderz

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    O in no way do I not think this is a valid reward/topic to discuss for vets.

    Was just encouraging those who will not reach the age limit to recieve said reward with their accounts, to let the vets discuss it, honestly.

    I hope UO lasts a long time.

    I'd rather see UO2 though really with say Skyrim graphic engine by the year 2020 ;)
     
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    yes would be more user friendly

    But

    The way i see it
    Right now the cant have group accept shard shields the way they are knowing they most likly never get one make them any better and their opinion will change fast and the solution to please these group of players is always the same sell them at uo code store

    Xfer tokens is one of the better sellers i asume so that could backfire on uo
     
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    I don't think you should be able to take any items with you at all with shard shields.
     
  26. 14 year vet here (Beta account actually) -- Being able to get 2 and swapping characters to and from a destination shard sounds great. Having it change every month would be annoying as hell. If you want to go to multiple shards, get more shields (assuming you can even get them popps...if you can't, I'm not sure why you're posting).
     
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    I was surprised and a little uncomfortable to see how these server transfers appear that they will work, to be honest. Although maybe the way it works is a little different than we are envisioning it? Maybe.

    Unless I'm missing something, the way it appears to be set up right now seems to promote someone who will be participating in an operation which farms a low population shard for... something... and then uses these tokens to move the goods to a higher-population server for sale. Repeatedly. And I don't feel like this sort of activity is necessarily healthy in the first place (will skip the details as to why). Allowing it for no-cost would be... interesting.

    It does not require 2 blown vet rewards to do this, either. You make a mule to carry the goods on the farmed shard, load it up, and shoot it off with its cargo, and it's done. You delete the mule when you're done with it.

    So. I'm wondering what's up. Not criticising. Just wondering.

    If this system works the way it seems to, I don't see the harm outright in allowing xfers from any-to-any shard. No harm above and beyond what it does now, anyway. BUT I could be missing something and am kinda curious as to why that restriction is there.
     
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    Best....post...ever! +1

    Sheilds fine as is....
     
  29. A Thought Elemental

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    This is the point I am wondering about. I wonder if maybe there will be a cap on how much gold you can take and certain types of items which will not be allowed to cross.

    I heard it reported that it's necessary to stable all pets, which would mean that pack animals full of items are a no-go. But I think that the bank + the player inventory, if all slots are considered (125 + 125), can still allow too much to go unless some further controls are in place. And there's some kind of additional container involved as well, or something. So, I don't know, and I wonder.
     
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    I still do not understand what harm would it do and to whom, "if" these Shard Shields were made so that the Shard location can be changed from one month to the other......

    Those who are already planning to get them will get them anyways, right ?

    If the Shard Shields locations were to be made changeable from one month to the other, would these Veteran Players stop from picking them ? Nope, because it would change nothing to them.

    So, why on earth not make the Shard location changeable from one month to the other when it can also accomodate the scarcer needs of those Veteran players who do not need any intensive transfer ??
     
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    Since this change would come to aid of Veteran players who have not much interest in transferring, which means they would not spend money on buying transfer tokens codes anyways, I disagree with the opinion that it would cause much loss in revenues.

    The whatever loss in revenues that might happen because of these Shard Shields has already occured with the way they have been designed. That is, as they are now.

    Since these Shard Shields as they are now will help the most those players who already need or want to transfer between 2 same shards, which means they already have been buying transfer token codes for their needs, having the free transfer opportunity will mean, as the Shields are already now, that these players will save up money as they will now be able to transfer for free, though limited to once a month per shield.

    A change like I am suggesting, since it would come to aid to veteran players who have scarce interest in transferring would not much affect transfer token codes sales.

    I will repeat it again, this type of veteran players do not care much about transferring and so would not spend money on transfer token codes.

    Of course, where they given a free opportunity, perhaps they might decide to pick a Shard Shield as their 14th Year Vet Reward and use that changeable token once per month to hop on a Shard one month and to another the next month and so on, but only if they can get this opportunity for free, they would not spend money just for curiosity to check out some other shard.

    So, as I see it, this change would not much cause any additional revenue loss to whatever has already occured from the way the Shields are now.

    What this proposed change would do, though, is the positive effect to enhance the game play and enjoyment from the game of all those Veteran players who will now have a chance to visit, out of curiosity, some other Shard. A visit, that if they had to pay, they would not choose to do.

    I hope that I have been able to explain my point better now.
     

  32. Because you take a gift that is designed for a shard and change it to ANY shard.

    Essentially, a player can go anywhere from 1 gift.

    If you want to go more then one place, you need more then 1 shield. More choice uses.

    Surely you can see how a dedicated shield to a shard gives a nice reward but doesnt effect the value of transfer tokens.
     
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    As the Shields are now yes, but they have not yet been released, they are still under testing and therefore, they could be changed.

    I think that even if they were already released to the general public, they could still be changed should the Developers agree with the goodness of this change. The change would simply apply to all Shields, those already picked and those yet to be picked...... That is the beuty of software coding.........it does what one wants it to do.......

    So, it might be wishfull thinking but that does not mean that it cannot happen if the Developers see the goodness of such a change.
     
  34. What?
    I just want to click a shield and go to a shard I like like Pacific. Maybe game around with some friends and go back later.

    Maybe use a 2nd shield for Origins events.

    But Im not even 14 year yet.

    My point. Stop creating what Vets are like. You dont know. Like I said you have an opinion and you probably could have just written this...

    I think Shields should let you choose a new shard monthly.

    That is your opinion - it is valid. Why you have to write these arguments is beyond me. I guess you have time to kill.
     
  35. popps

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    If that reason might be a feared loss of revenues from transfer token codes I think I tried to address that concern pretty in details why I disagree with it.

    Since the change would pretty much come to aid of veteran players who have scarce need for transferring, which is players who already have no interest in buying transfer codes, such a change would not much affect transfer token codes sales.

    And the change would neither affect those veteran players interested in intensive transferring anyways. They will get their shields as they are now, get their monthly transfer tokens and transfer monthly anyways. Where the Shard locations be made changeable this would affect them in no ways as they will still need lots of tokens for their intensive transfer needs.
     
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    It would be annoying why if I may ask ?

    Say that right clicking on the Shard Shield you get a Menu asking whether you want to change the Shard, would this be so much annoying ??

    I mean, if you do not want to change the Shard that the Shield represents you let it be. But if you may want the Shard to change location, the following month, just right click on it, have the pop-up Menu ask you if you want to change the current Shard and select which new Shard you want the Shield to represent.

    I do not see what could be annoying of this. It would be an opportunity to extend the enjoyment of this high end Veteran Reward to players who, instead, might not make much use of it if it will always be fixed onto the same Shard, forever........
     
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    But we still need to consider that there is the 1 token per month limit AND, account bound.

    This means, that with all the Shards that are out there, a player would need 20+ months to visit them all with 1 reward and without EVER going back to the home shard.......

    My proposed change would, as I see it, not much change things because of the 1 per month limitation. What it would only do, is come to the aid of the casual transferer who, as of now, does not move out of the home shard because of the cost involved. The reward as it is now is not interesting, because the player has no interest in getting 12 tokens per year to the same one shard as they have no need to go back and forth the same 2 shards that often.

    So, this Veteran player will still not transfer out of his/her home shard because of the costs involved with regular tokens, will neither take advantage of this new reward because he/she has no need to pile up those many tokens all for the same one shard and will basically not be able to "try out" other shards, out of curiosity, as he/she would if there was a free opportunity for a changeable transfer, once per month.

    As I said, a change like I am proposing does not look to me to be harmfull to the existing players who will anyways make use of this Rewards already because of their intensive transfer needs BUT will much likely bring added gaming enjoyment to those veteran players who, until now, have not transferred out of their home shard because of the costs involved and their scarce needs to transfer back and forth, intensively, between 2 same shards.

    Hardly any negatives, some positives to a number of Veteran players that could enhance their game play so, I say, why not ?
     
  38. Zayin666

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    Tbh I didn't bother to read the post.... can someone sum up in a few lines what the "issue" is? Or is there even an issue? :)
    If not its totally ok... Ill live on happy without knowing whats up in this thread!
     
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    Just turn around and run, this threads a quagmire!

    Basically the OP wants to get the shields changed so you can choose a different shard xfer token each month. Its unsure why it concerns him so much since we believe he is no where near 14 year account age. Most of the players who can use these find them fine as is.
     
  40. CatAClism

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    Interesting theories and ideas here Popps.

    I see a few problems just in coding...artwork for one would have to change...but that could be easily remedied by allowing the shield to be re-deeded and then a different shard selected.. that would work.

    Again the main thing here is...it really is up to the people who CAN claim them...how many 14 year vets are out there that can claim them and are they happy with the way they are intended to work?

    But I do like that you brought this to the table..maybe the re-deeding and claiming another shard thing would work, who knows?
     
  41. really? come on. enough with this topic.
     
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    There's enough of a question of ppl wondering about this that mebbe the game ppl should let the players know some of the reasoning behind it.

    Ppl are kinda used to so little communication around here. meh.

    I'm used to WoW and with something like this, you'd definitely hear something about the 'why' behind this sort of restriction. They respect us over there and collectively talk to us like we are intelligent. Posters known as "blues" and who are clearly geniuses at PR talk about the equivalents of this. UO could use some 'blues'.

    edit: and they don't take forever about it. They oftentimes post in the relevant discussion threads.
     
  43. Woodsman

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    I have to agree with this. I don't use vet reward picks anymore because I know somebody will be selling it eventually.

    I think the shard shields were well thought out. I maybe in the minority, but they aren't overbalancing.
     
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    It could be done via a right mouse click Menu.......

    If the Veteran player wants to change the Shard from one month to the other, and this could be allowed only after 30 days have gone by with the shield representing a given shard, the Veteran player rights click on the Shard, the Menu asks if the player wants to change Shard and for what Shard the player wants the Shield to be changed to, the players says yes, selects the new Shard and at that point the Shield changes into a deed for the new Shard appearing in the backpack. Player double clicks it and voila', here it is a new Shield to a different Shard with the timer starting for another 30 days......

    Problem solved and more Veteran players made happy without upsetting any other Veteran player.

    Of course, if the player does not want to change the Shard represented by the Shield he/she just lets it be and always gets tranfer tokens to that same Shard.......

    Why not add this enhancing change then, if only good can come out of it ?
     
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    Man, give it a rest Popps, I believe you've made your point.

    It's hilarious and quite hypocritical how you argue so vehemently against a change you don't agree with, such as the Shields not being only 14th year veteran reward, then start an argument that benefits you as you want them to be. Enough already. You just keep stating the same crap post after post and no one agrees with you.
     
  46. Lord Frodo

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    UMMM Looks like you just love trolling Popps because you did not read all the posts in the thread and ASSUMED (which you did make an A$$ out of yourself) that no one agrees with Popps.

    Troll some more.

    There is nothing wrong with letting people be able to change the shard (at a cost) or just leave them and get that months token.
     
  47. Mirt

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    If you let them change shard you total unbalance the economy and you would need to lower the age requirement of the shield. If every month a 14 year vet gets a free transfer token you would give them not a minor advantage but a huge advantage that you would deny to the bulk of the player base. Allowing 14 years to take a vacation or defray the costs of switching to one shard, or letting them pick a few is fair. But unlimited monthly transfer tokens to wherever they want. Thats just a bit to much.
     
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    To begin with they get a token every month to the shard of thier choice already. By allowing them to change location (at the cost of that months token) then they would only get 6 tokens a year, not 12. How would that unbalance the economy.

    Right clk Shield
    No menu because there is ni token to claim

    Waits 30 days

    Rirght clk Shield
    .Shield menu.
    .. Claim token
    .. Change shard location at the cost of this months token.
     
  49. Its ok let it just be totally random !!! kinda like quantum leap !
     
  50. Korik Bloodguard

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    I agree with Popps. I'd really like them to be alterable so that I can move around much more easily using them. Having them stick with one shard is acceptable, but to have more freedom is much nicer :)

    Oh well, we'll see in a few weeks.
     
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