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DEVs,why ejected vendors' money/items are not added to the owner bank automatically ?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by popps, Dec 28, 2011.

  1. popps

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    There is one thing I really have a hard time understanding why it was not made as possible.

    Often I read of players losing their vendors with all the contents and money because they get ejected from the owner's House, whatever the reasons (a House can change hands, be re customized etc.).

    To my argument, it does not matter why other players' vendors get ejected, what matters is that there can be cases when vendors owners cannot come back to check their vendor's status within the allowed week and so, often vendors' owners loose their vendors with everything in it, whether money stored or items.

    Why on earth ain't it possible that when the vendor gets ejected all of the contents, money and items, automatically get transferred to the character owning the vendor bank box even when this exceeds the box capacity ?

    Then, when the player can resume playing, the player can take care of the bank box, moving out exceeding items to restore max capacity. But at least, a lot of work done over time would not get lost all for nothing because when the vendor got ejected the player was could not play.

    Honestly, I do not understand why it currently works that vendors are lost with all their contents and money stored. It should not be this way, IMHO.
     
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    Re: DEVs,why ejected vendors' money/items are not added to the owner bank automatical

    What if your vendor is holding 2billion for you? You have to take out 2000 cheques just to get your bank to normal capacity?
     
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    Re: DEVs,why ejected vendors' money/items are not added to the owner bank automatical

    And this is why we need higher check denominations. 5 million,10million,20 million,50 million,and 100 million gp bank checks would be very handy.
     
  4. popps

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    Re: DEVs,why ejected vendors' money/items are not added to the owner bank automatical


    And so what ?

    I do not see the problem but I do see the positive of not losing it all.

    As I see it, this is a product intended for entertainment, not to get players upset.......

    The bank box gets overloaded ? Fine, until it is sorted out nothing can be added to it but the vendor owner at least would have avoided losing everything............

    As it is designed now it is way too penalizing for vendors' owners who risk losing all of their vendors' items and all of the stored gold.

    Makes no sense to me since this can end up upsetting players and thus hurt the game and subscriptions.
     
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    Re: DEVs,why ejected vendors' money/items are not added to the owner bank automatical

    doesn't the vendors contents and money get transfered to the house sign when the house is customized or the vendor contract is cancelled or not renewed?
     
  6. Viper09

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    Re: DEVs,why ejected vendors' money/items are not added to the owner bank automatical

    I do believe that is true.
     
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    Re: DEVs,why ejected vendors' money/items are not added to the owner bank automatical


    Yupp. That's why you should only use rented vendors of people you trust. And imho never keep more than 100m on a rented vendor, usually asking for trouble if you do *shrugs*
     
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    Re: DEVs,why ejected vendors' money/items are not added to the owner bank automatical


    And what about when the friend's list gets cleared ? I have doubts that a former vendor's owner no longer in the friends' list can access the House sign and the moving crate with it to get to the former vendor contents......

    Unfortunately, there seems to be a timer and a rather short one so, if the vendor's owner for whatever reasons has problems logging in the game within that short timer, the vendor is gone with losses to the vendor's owner which can be quite significant......

    That is why I was suggesting that all contents, gold stored included, would go automatically to the vendor's owner bank box so to avoid this disappointing loss whenever a player may have trouble logging in the game within the short time frame allowed.

    Even if the bank box gets momentarily overloaded that does not look to be much of a problem. The game engine already allows it and all it does, is not allow the character to put anything new in the bank box until the limit has been restored by taking excessive items out of the bank box first.

    So, this change would ease up losses and frustration to vendors' owners and not really change much in the game itself since already the bank boxes can get overloaded.
     
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    Re: DEVs,why ejected vendors' money/items are not added to the owner bank automatical

    If bank boxes were allowed to be overloaded with items/gold because of vendors I would foresee this being heavily exploited. Thus it should instead be suggested that you simply keep careful track of your vendors.
     
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    Well, I do not see an overloaded bank box as that of a huge exploit..... I mean, it would get the bank box stuck anyways until all items in excess are taken out so, no big of a deal at all, IMHO.

    Problem is, that life sometimes gets on top of a game and there are occasions when players simply cannot keep careful track of their vendors simply because they cannot play the game......

    At the very least, then, the timer should be made much, but way much longer to allow players not to incur in vendors' losses even when they have trouble playing......

    bottom line is, that it should always be only the vendors' owner that is capable of accessing vendors' contents and gold, never the house owner or, only after a very very long time and not just the very short timer there is now........

    That's how I see it.
     
  11. Serine

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    Re: DEVs,why ejected vendors' money/items are not added to the owner bank automatical

    Hmm guys its already possible to get a vendors gold and item in to your bank . dont matter if its 200 mil or 2 billion and items. it still works ..
     
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    Re: DEVs,why ejected vendors' money/items are not added to the owner bank automatical

    Before now i dont think they thought it was worth the coding against how many people have a problem.
    If you dont have enough gold thats your falt, if they kick your vendor when your not around for over a week thats your falt for trusting them.

    It would mean you only need 1 char to xfer as much gold as you want as you just get a friend to drop ya vendor.

    Id back us having longer to collect our items from the sign, i cant see it being a problem for the dev's or effect the game in anyway if they did

    Thunderz
     
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    Fallen vendors' gold should go to your bank. Period. I had to leave town for 2 months due to work and had no internet access. Came back only to find that the owner of the vendor house cancelled my contract and stole my 450m. This was my entire liquid in-game wealth. Very disheartening. Haven't really felt like playing since.
     
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    I am sorry to hear that, I have read over time various posts of incidents like this and that is why I thought that UO might need some changes about fallen vendors and their owners' rights on them (items and gold stored) and I thought to speak up about this issue.

    This is a game, real life of course has priority and it can happen for whatever reasons, an emergency, a hardware failure, whatever, that for an extended period of time a player having vendors is unable to take care of them.

    I do not think that the current design that may lead to significant vendors' owners losses of their work is right. I mean, to maintain a vendor requires lots of work and dedication and to see all that work of weeks, months get lost just because life did not allow to log in the game for an extended period of time ain't right, to my opinion.

    My best preference would be to see gold and items go to the vendor's owner bank box but as an alternative, at the very least, the timer should be made much, way much longer than the current one (I am talking months...).

    Another possibility could be creating a "special", new moving crate for fallen vendors where they go to, out of players' sight, until the owner comes back to empty them out. This crate would be a special one that would survive even the demolishing of the house they were into because it was not attached to the House, but to the vendor's owner account...... The vendor could go nowhere, just sit there waiting for the owner to empty it and when this happens, it would go "poof". If necessary, this could be not unlimited time but a considerable long time like 6 months at least.

    Anyways, whatever adjustment but something needs be done, IMHO, to correct the currently not fair status of fallen vendors and the risk of their owners losing it all, items and stored gold.
     
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    vending is part of the game. Manage the game.

    Popps I smell exploit. Load up an account just to have a vendor rental contract run out and now a bank holds 100000 items.

    Nah.
     
  16. Deception

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    And where is the big issue here? It wouldn't give anyone an advantage over anyone else. Your bank would become unusable until you emptied it out due to it's normal item limit. Maybe I'm missing something, but why should extra storage at the expense of bank functionality be destructive to the game? And another point: You say you smell exploit here, but how do you feel about vendor house owners who purposely steal their clients' gold? Is that not worse?
     
  17. Mirt

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    Actually you could just take one thing out at a time so if you organized it well it would allow you limitless storage. Imagine all the scripters being able to keep adding to an unlimited storage bank. Talk about economic disruption. It would be better if it just gave you an increased time limit like maybe a month. If you’re going to be gone longer then that you should probably take down your vendor.
     
  18. Guardian KX

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    Re: DEVs,why ejected vendors' money/items are not added to the owner bank automatical

    IF you are leaving the game soon this is what you do;

    Load the vendors up to max then take off all money and have owner eject vendor. Then go to house sign and claim all items from all vendors.

    This will allow you to stuff 1-1000+ items into your bank over the max limit. Then simply log out and never log back in till your ready to deal with the bank that your gonna have to unload back to normal #'s.

    Enjoy
     
  19. Deception

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    Unlimitted storage? Of gold maybe. The game's design with gold checks wasn't implemented expecting players to have hundreds of millions. I see no problem to having the bank overfilled with checks. You can take "one thing out at a time", but you can never put it back(unless it's gold). So yeah, it would take all functionality of the bank away except for the storage of gold.

    So what would change if someone wanted to use this as an "exploit"? People no longer have to spend hours organizing every character on their account with their endless piles of million gold checks? Nothing wrong with taking some of the tediousness away from a game that is packed with it.

    IMO, the exploit is a non issue, and this would eliminate the chance of being robbed by the house owner.
     
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    Actually it would be items too up to 125 per time. See its not just checks that go when the vendor goes down its anything that they have on them. Oh yes and their clothes as well. So if your saying only the money should go that is one thing but if your saying as pretty much everyone was that instead of going on the sign it goes into your bank box it would be everything. Oh and it would keep going because your bank box can be overfilled and you can take one thing out at a time. This is easy to test on TC if you don't trust me.
     
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    Well I was mistaken at the current mechanics then. However, what would be the issue if it was only the checks that went?
     
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    Conceivably gold sellers could store an infinite amount of gold. While that doesn't seem big it would further encourage hoarding of it. It would also allow those gold sellers to close out accounts. I am not opposed to larger checks mind you but having a bottomless bank box would be far too much. If it were a larger issue then I suppose they could code in allowing as much of it as your bank can hold to drop into your bank box but I don’t think that’s the best use of coding time at this point in UO’s life.
     
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    Real life, sometimes, can turn out with unexpected events.....
    Not always one can keep one's own life all well programmed and layed out.

    Sometimes stuff happen and one just cannot log in for an extended period of time into a game. It is hard to "plan" taking down vendors when one did not expect not being able to play for an extended period of time.....

    The game should have safeguards in such cases, IMHO.

    Either let the fallen vendors' items and gold go to the vendor's owner bank box or have a moving crate tied to the vendor's owner account (NOT to the House owner...) or have the timer be way, but WAY much longer (I am talking several months here......).
     
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    yep just got back from 3 months away and lost my vendor too
     
  25. Mirt

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    Re: DEVs,why ejected vendors' money/items are not added to the owner bank automatical

    I understand that RL can come first that being said you cannot add in safe guards that encourage exploitation which is exactly what we are talking about doing adding unlimited storage.