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Disappointed in New Covetous Items

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Airhaun, May 18, 2012.

  1. Airhaun

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    Am I alone in being disappointed with the new items introduced with the Covetous Revamp? I think the craft-related items are kinda' neat but I'm not an avid crafter so maybe I'm not the best judge on that. But the other items aren't to hot. I love this game :lol: and only comment negatively when I think something is way out of line.

    Here is my train of thought:
    It will take a lot of time and effort to acquire the amount of points needed to purchase these items/weapons/etc. These items have a limited life span (25 hours of battle time?). These items don't seem unique (The Katana looks nice but according to Stratics we aren't sure it exists). We can already get similar items in the game or from imbuing. Actually I think there are much better weapons/armor/etc. out there than what is being introduced with this release.

    So what is my motivation to spend 20+ hours over a period of several days/weeks in Covetous fighting wave after wave of beasties just to purchase a temporary item that is of no real use? Where is the incentive? I'm just really having a hard time understanding why all this time and effort is being put into this when there seems to be no real draw. I hate seeing people bash the developers of a game I really enjoy. Is there something you guys can change/improve? Because at this point it seems the only thing that will draw players to Covetous will be curiosity. Once that is quenched they will have no reason to return. Covetous will be dead in 3-4 weeks.

    So again, do others feel the same or am I alone in being disappointed with the new items?
     
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    The reward points are not distributed amongst players, so you will get ~240 points if you fought together with a large group and helped 50 waves, the same way you will get ~240 points if you defeated the waves alone. I think it might take more than 20+ hours if you try to gather the points (let's say 2,000) alone but probably much less than that if you join a large group.

    So your criticism is to essentially spend about 20 hours of battle time to get an item that has a life span of 25 hours of battle time. I don't have any comment, I just wanted to point that out.
     
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    FYI, you can just farm Cora and get permanent versions of the Arties as drops. So if you dont like the point ones....well there ya go
     
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  4. Serine

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    Very simple ... yet again the devĀ“s has failed :( .... In some strange way they are trying to make the rewamps of dungens a temporary boost of items . BUT as long as we can craft items WAY better its totaly pointlless - So as i see it is just little eye candly to keep us pay the monthly feee for something that does 0 for the game .... Also just renaming items from doom is just so scray poor from their behalf its a joke .. . If this is what they look for why not make the items so much better they have to be replace in the next patch or next expansion alal WoW etc . Atelast we would understand why ????
     
  5. Airhaun

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    Hi Promathia,

    Yes I do realize that. But I don't really think those are really worth the time or effort either. That's how disappointed and empty it seems this change will be. And I'm really interested to hear if others feel the same way or if I'm in the minority. I don't mind being wrong and if most people like the change; that means people hare happy with it and that is a good thing. :)
     
  6. Obsidian

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    I plan to spend a bunch of time with Cora until I get my Prismatic Lenses. I'm really looking forward to that item.
     
  7. Promathia

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    Same.

    I also know of people who want the sword, and others who want the shield.
     
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    The only thing I'm interested in is the magic fish finder, and even then I'm not too sure about it. It only lasts for 4 hours and I'm lucky to get an hour of uninterrupted playing time, if that. None of the other items interest me, but it's cool that resource gatherers were considered in this publish.
     
  9. Meatbread

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    The devs are mortally terrified of us being "overpowered". Having event monsters everyone hates with a billion HP, and every new "reward" item landing in the trash, are small prices to pay, apparently.
     
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    :eek: where is the WAAAAA smilie it used to be here?

    If you don't like the items, don't like the idea, think it a waste of time :next: DON"T PARTICIPATE .

    :gee: I am SOOOOOOOO sick of i spent time doing something I DESERVE an award.

    You want to play a simple grind get reward game go play WOW or Diablo:rant2:

    There are ALOT of people who actually PLAY this game to play, those are also the ones who will enjoy spending the time getting the items from Cora.

    :pancakes::dunce::danceb:
     
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    Well, I think proper criticisms like these are necessary so the developers who put their hours and ideas into these publishes get an idea of balance. We have to recognize also that alot of the "team" has changed recently and hopefully the people we have now can stick around and get an idea of proper balance over the next bit. UO is at a strange threshold, and a unique one at that and faces challenges concerning budgeting/balance/creative idea generating (and lack thereof)/and a small but hopefully mindful development staff. Alot of these issues are not shared in other mmo's, but at the same time, which other mmo's have had the staying power of Ultima aside from World of Warcraft? Not many. Anyhow, back on topic, limited time weapons and equipment already existed. It was called brittle cannot be repaired :/
     
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    I think the temporary forge and ability to locate certain types of resources is pretty cool. I miss the days when most people who lived near mining spots had public forges.
     
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  13. Ludes

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    The problem with saying just don't participate is this... The dungeon is changed for everyone not just them that want it. I rarely complain about things like that but the truth of the matter is there are three less dungeons now for me.
     
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    If you don't like it then wait for the next dungeon revamp :)
     
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    Double points in Felucca for those who are brave enough. :)
     
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    I'll be down there farming Cora for that shield as well. I'm fine with the items and FYI, you cannot craft anything close to that shield.

    My only complaint is the same one I've had for years. ADD THE FREAKING DOOM ARTI DROP SYSTEM TO ANY NEW HIGH END DROPS!!!

    Sorry, but the RNG drop system sucks ass!!!
     
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    Damn, I didn't see that in the pub notes... just got a little tingly inside.

    Good stuff.
     
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  18. Petra Fyde

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    anyone willing to rate this bracelet that came out of Covetous on test?
    Arcane Bracelet MI 5 EP25 sdi 15 fcr 4 fire resist 5
     
  19. Petra Fyde

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    why? What is it about the revamps that is unacceptable?
    I still hunt in Shame in pretty much the same way as I always did, once I found the right spot for the way I like to hunt there. ie quietly and without getting overwhelmed.

    This is only my opinion, because I'm not a mind reader, but I think the criteria for the revamp is not 'what items can they get?' but 'is it fun to do?' Feedback from most people who have actually tried the void pool is 'yes, it is fun to do' and you can do it whatever the level of the character, just retreat when the going gets too tough.
     
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    I would have given that bracelet a second look to count the mods for unraveling. As for actually using that bracelet while hunting...nah I got better EP jewelry already with higher MI and int bonuses.
     
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    I didn't test it, and I later died and lost it, but Pinco's ui rated it as unravelling to a relic fragment. I got it while collecting loot information for Hunter's Guide from a dazzled harpy.
     
  22. Ludes

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    I'll just use Shame as an example.. My guildies and I went to Shame often to farm gold, jewels, and sometimes fertile dirt. It was a top notch place to train bards, warriors and mages. Earth elementals were perfect for training.
    I don't see how quadrupeling the hit points on earthies and adding brown boglings (i.e. mud puppies)
    made Shame any more fun. If they had raised the gold dropped maybe they would have still been profitable.
    But for 200 gold and a jewel why bother? And since we have absolutely no interest in weapons or armour with sixteen lines of worthless information on them we just don't go there anymore.
     
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    Sadly the brave people on Siege don't get double points :(
     
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    This is because Siege doesn't have a Trammel rules set, hence Felucca is the norm.

    -Galen's player
     
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    Oh boy, I bet this'll be the thing that gets someone besides the usual five people into Felucca. The last 8672 things didn't work, but certainly this will.
     
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    Are you kidding? Who needs incentives. Clearly things were fine before Trammel and, therefore, are by definition fine now. Hardly anyone goes to Trammel. Fel's where it's at. All the cool kids say so.

    -Galen's player
     
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  27. Driven Insane

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    Why u knockin Fel? I and many others play there all the time and it's not for shinies.
     
  28. Izzy MBC

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    Just popped through Covetous, first time in a long while, hoping for an awesome overhaul. Granted I didn't check a lot of the side rooms, but the only change I noticed was an Altar at the Elder Gazer spawn. I killed about 3 of them and was rewarded an Armour piece, but after that I blazed onwards finding nothing out of the ordinary :(

    The only other thing I did discover, was that you can Ort Por Ylem a Locked Door successfully (to the last chamber of Lich's) assuming you are over ~2 squares from it. Or in other words; outside of regular door clicking distance. Strange bug? Heh.

    Anyway, I hope I missed something, because it wasn't dreadfully exciting. In fact, the most enjoyable part was being swamped by Lich's in the last section, as usual. That last chamber contains one of the hardest rooms ever to Kal Ort Por into as well - Covetous still has its charms.

    For a little more on-topic response: The bit of Armour I acquired is useless to me, it's going in the Bin. I can probably echo the OP's thoughts.
     
  29. Risso

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    The 'new' Covetous isn't active on Europa yet, if that's where you were looking :)
     
  30. Hunters' Moon

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    You'd still pvp even if you weren't allowed to loot who you kill for shinies?
     
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    I don't even open the corpses of people I kill, unless they killed me before and then I retrieve anything they took of mine.
     
  32. the 4th man

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    Well, it's like this......no one's twisting your arm to play this aspect of UO. UO always will be, to me, an old timer, a game of time. It takes time........can't handle that? Then I feel for ya........patience is an unwritten virtue.........and it's not always about items, though half of the players NEED that......again, I feel for them

    Don't like it, don't play, ain't gonna change just for you.

    Later
     
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    You might want to redo your run trough Coveteus when the Publish is actualy live on all shards instead of just Test Center and Origin.
    Otherwise your "essay" on the awesome overhaul on Coveteus looks a bit silly. :)
     
  34. Driven Insane

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    I think Risso beat you on this correction by about 9 hours.

    Which makes your post look silly ;)
     
  35. Frarc

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    Not realy, i found Risso respond a bit gentle, it needed a bit more .... :p

    It is a common thing around here ,that people do first a lot of drama before reading or testing stuff.
     
  36. G.v.P

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    In response to this thread in general, and in defense of the ephemeral mod, 25 hours means 25 in-game hours and only when the item is equipped and while engaged in combat. There will actually be situations in which items with the ephemeral mod are better than regular items without a self repair mod, because every ten seconds the item will check to see if there is any damage to the item, refreshing its current durability. My main concern, however, is that Vela does not sell all five artifacts, which is a huge problem.

    Regardless, let's use the Blight of the Tundra as an example. If you PvM one hour a night then this bow will last at least 25 days, and that's without considering the time you'll spend out of combat, looting, sorting, et cetera. Factor in stoppage time and the bow might very well last a month. Over that time you will never need to repair, which means if you use a full self-repair suit--such as the darkwood set--you won't have to do any suit maintenance for a full month.

    The problem with the Blight of the Tundra is a lack of mana leech, but you could create a wraith-archer setup to supplant mana regneration. It'll be kind of sad if every dexxer out there needs to become an elven wraith just to enjoy these items, but hey, an armor ignore slayer bow w/ 45 SSI? Might be worth changing your template around.

    Ephemeral will be worth it given the right situation. Month-long Gauntlet stay, anyone? Can't do that with a non-Ephemeral Blight of the Tundra! Okay, so there's little reason to stay in the Gauntlet for a month given Shame-upgrade loot, and you'd run out of arrows, but hey, never know ;).
     
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    HAHA! Thank you for pointing that out, shows you how in the loop I keep myself (I do indeed feel silly now) -_- Well, at least the next Essay will be a more delightful one. Looking forward to the next Pub!
     
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    The Void Pool is kinda fun, I'll admit. I don't give a rat's ass about the artifacts, I only go in to PvP. Reminds me of a Harrower defense.

    But once the folks interested in the double points leave because they've gotten their super duper new temporary arties or what have you, I seriously doubt I'll find a large group in there.

    Give the dungeon a month or so and it'll be empty save for the occasional straggler working up points alone.

    =[
     
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    Your title says you are disappointed with the 'items' but the entire body of your post explains that you are actually upset that it will take time and effort to get the items.

    Truly ADD sad :(
     
  40. Airhaun

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    Really? Is that what you walked away with? I believe the phrases: "not to hot" & "of no real use" clearly imply I feel the items are not desirable or useful. And I am impressed; you were able to diagnose me with a psychological condition from that simple post. Oh wait.... maybe you were just being insulting.

    Tell you what, I'll make a deal with you. I'll go get some ADD medication and you take a class on reading comprehension.
     
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    Cept for the fact that all the gatherer items have timers on them. Which is a big turn off for me. Seem competly unnecessary.
     
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    Really? PVPing for the purpose of looting people ended about twelve years ago. Occasionally it still happens when a guild tries to hide their spoils (stat, skill, pink scrolls) on a stealther though.
     
  43. Hunters' Moon

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    The question is fair. With how I have seen complaints on Stratics forums how some items are blessed and most others are insured,pvp'ers aren't happy that they can't loot more than bandies and pots.
     
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    I kinda wish there were some more cool high end items, but i'm digging the void pool. Not for items obviously, but in other games i always enjoyed this sort of wave after wave fight, just wish it was a little more (small group) friendly. maybe get harder the more people are participating?
     
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    Void pool is fun, I just wish there was like a 10k reward point item.
     
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    Seriously?

    "It will take a lot of time and effort to acquire the amount of points needed to purchase these items/weapons/etc. These items have a limited life span (25 hours of battle time?)"
    and
    "So what is my motivation to spend 20+ hours over a period of several days/weeks in Covetous fighting wave after wave of beasties"

    These were the opening sentences of your only 2 'train of thought' paragraphs and you are now back-peddling and saying what about reading comprehension?

    *shakes head*
     
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    Another fool cluelessly bashing Felucca

    *yawns*