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Disconnected Owner Check for Pets

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Llewen, May 8, 2012.

  1. Llewen

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    We really need a check for pets that runs perhaps once every minute or so for disconnected owners. Currently if you log off or your client crashes, or you disconnect for some reason, your pet will auto-stable, which is good. However, if the server crashes, and you have a pet in game, your character will not come back to the game, but your pet will stay in game, and if you do not log in within a fairly short time, your pet will go wild.

    As a tamer I have put, literally, hundreds of hours into building my stable. Last night, after I went to bed, Atlantic apparently crashed. I logged into the game this morning to find my rune beetle wild next to me in the middle of nowhere. I was extremely lucky. I was able to retame the beetle, feed it, and stable it. i would have been very upset to lose that beetle. I have had it for over a year, and it was the best pvp rune beetle I had found over hundreds of hours of farming.

    I don't know whether my "disconnected owner" check is the solution. It probably would be, and it seems to me that it would be a simple subroutine that shouldn't be resource intensive, but perhaps the devs could come up with a better solution. Whatever it is, this situation really needs to be fixed. "Real" tamers put as much effort into their "stables" as any other player does into their "gear", or "rares", or whatever it is that happens to be their "thing". A truly rare pet can potentially be worth billions. That they could possibly be lost due to something as simple as a server crash, through absolutely no fault of the owner, is unacceptable.
     
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    Pets shouldn't be re-instated on the server when it comes up. They should wait until the owner logs in.
     
  3. Dan123The123Man

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    geez, almost discourages me from even playing a tamer lol.
     
  4. Hunters' Moon

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    I can't count how many times I have lost connection or the server has crashed to find that a newly looted high-end item is lost from no fault of my own. If something like this is done for tamers,it should be given to all. If I lose connection,I should be teleported to the nearest Inn.
     
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    Although I disagree a weapon = a pet with hours and hours of training under it's belt. How would you decide who needs to be brought to the Inn? Or will everyone, even those sitting safe in their house log in to find themselves in a laggy inn?
     
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    Any player that loses connection that is in any dungeon,in Ilshinar,or in the Abyss should be teleported to a safe place. If you lose connection in your house,you just log out and all is fine.

    Edit: What if it took me "hours and hours" to get said high-end weapon? You say that the tamers pet is somehow more important?
     
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    I think it's more because tamers have to spend a week waiting for their pet to bond, or 'insure'. It's like if you found the high-end weapon, insured it, then the shard crashed and you lost it. You'd be pissed, that's what happens with pets.
     
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    Ohhh a whole week huh? For that week you get a bonded "weapon" w/o the cost of insurance each time it dies. I think that pets should wear down and "break" just like weapons do. This way the tamer would have to go out again and tame fresh pets to do their fighting for them. I think that would be fair.
     
  9. Cirno

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    Trying to compare pets to weapons is like comparing apples to oranges.

    There is a problem with the game, whereby if the server's up, it recognises when you stop being connected, and stables your pet.
    If the server goes down, such as for maintenance or a crash, it doesn't recognise that the player's not connected, because the specific condition hasn't been met.
    Think of it like an insurance bug for pets :)
     
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    I find Hunter's argument without merit. Anyone who is out hunting when a shard crash or server down happens has an equal shot of losing that "high value" looted item, regardless of what template you play. While I agree that a pet has a longer usable lifespan in game, finding an outstanding pet and then bonding and training it takes considerably more time than farming imbuing mats or even BoDs. As far as I am concered, I believe tamers put in far more effort on the front side of a usable character than any other template. IMO this is more than enough to conpensate for not having to "repair" pets.

    The analogy of losing a valuable, insured item is much more in line with the risk of losing a bonded pet.
     
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    If I lose connection on my non-tamer,I am just stuck where I am hunting and nothing of mine is "stabled" and out of harms way. At the very least,I lose the insurance gold. Why should not tamers have to deal with the same? It is easy to say,as you have,that it is different with a pet. How so? Is it coming from your bias toward that skill set? I think it is.
     
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    But there is no chance for the tamer to lose their most valued weapon,because of what the Devs have put into the game. My paladin doesn't get to have his best weapon and armor "stabled" if I lose connection. His sword and armor is just as important to him as any tamers pet,but I don't get the 'stable' option.
     
  13. Aibal

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    They do. If the shard crashes while you and I are out hunting, I will probably lose insurance gold just like you. You will lose nothing else. The tamer, on the other hand, could possibly lose a very valuable pet as well. Your argument from this standpoint is a fail.
     
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    I wouldn't lose anything besides insurance gold? You're kidding right? The tamer gets auto-stable upon disconnect/log out. Until I get 'auto-bank' on items and gold looted from mobs,it is too one sided.
     
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    One could argue that your position similarly comes from bias against it :)

    A tamer can die, and have to pay insurance on their equipment, and possibly permanently lose their pet, or most likely 0.1 in all the pet's skills.

    But then, the thread isn't really about auto-stabling to protect a pet.
    It's about a bug.
     
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    You risk nothing that is not insured. Everyone risks their looted items and gold. As I see it, the process of bonding a pet is exactly like putting insurance on it. But I would wager that if the option to instantly insure a pet were available to replace the week it takes to bond one, most tamers would take it in a heartbeat.

    Furthermore, let's be realistic for a minute... a runic crafted weapon that is insured can easily last just as long as a bonded pet. You never risk it dying in the middle of a fight, paying 15k to get it ressed at the vet, and needing to retrain it a bit... all you need is a blacksmith repair contract that costs a few hundred gold now and then... and maybe another jar of PoF every other year or so.

    Until you are prepared to risk your insured items, arguing that a tamer should risk losing their pet is apples and oranges.
     
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    My guess is you have the option to insure your best weapon and armor. Do you think you should have to wait a week to insure it? Your weapon and armor can be instantly insured for a few hundred gold. You do not need to "train" your best weapon and armor once you find it. Finding a great, non-imbued, weapon is about the same time wise as finding a great pet. You complain that pets don't need to be repaired... but weapons don't need to be trained. As long as you are paying attention, you vitually never risk losing your weapon mid-fight. From what I can tell you degrade tamers, but take no consideration into the amount of work that goes into building a tamer or training a good pet.
     
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    And you'd be correct in assuming that I have a strong bias against the tamer skill set. From the time I first saw a lone tamer walking around with over 20 tamed dragons destroying all the spawn in the lower levels of Shame and Despise,I have hated the over-poweredness of the skill set. So each time I see a player with a tamer main character asking for anything above what everyone gets,it makes me feel sick to my stomach.
     
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    If all I had to do is pay 30 gold(per item) and leave my weapon and armor in the bank for a week to bless/bond the items,I would jump at that chance.

    Edit: It takes no real effort to make a tamer. Advanced character token. Skills jewelry+PS's and buy a Greater Dragon from a vendor.
     
  20. Viper09

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    Hehe, well in that case I can understand why you hated them. A tamer controlling 20 tamed dragons is, well, a tad bit too much. Thankfully that's no longer the case.
     
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    Except that not everyone buys their pets nor do they buy their way up to 120 taming. Some, if not most, have earned their skill the hard way. You can't simply say losing a pet is meaningless, some actually spend their time taming and training their own personal pet. And why do you argue about blessing weapons? Insurance is essentially just that. As previously mentioned, think of this as simply an insurance bug for pets. Your irrational hatred for tamers is taking this a bit off course, this is about a bug, not a request for a new special feature just for tamers.
     
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    Llewen said: "We really need a check for pets that runs perhaps once every minute or so for disconnected owners."

    You were saying?
     
  23. Aibal

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    Really? I am looting the SAME things as you. I am getting the SAME items as you. Upon shard crash, if neither you nor I have insured anything we looted, we lose them, tough luck, our bad, we should have insured them. We also lose insurance gold for our deaths. However, I also have the potential to lose a pet that took me tens/hundreds of hours of game time to find, tame, and train. And you're whining that you are penalized? Seriously? May I suggest a logics course at your local community college?
     
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    But I'm sure you have a sampy, a garg/mystic/ thrower, and every other overpowered template. Sorry that in the old days of tamers you found one or two who slapped you around. In the current age of UO, there are multiple templates far more powerful than a tamer. In fact, look at any EM even and you can count the tamers on one hand, while the sampys, whammys, throwers, mystics are like cockroaches. Why? Because they will damage the most and get the drops. Yet you still whine about tamers. Personally, I think you were *****slapped by tamers too much in PvP, couldn't cope, and now you whine.
     
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    Ok, perhaps my choice of words wasn't perfect but you still should have been able to understand what I was trying to say, but given how much you're arguing over this I can see why you can't understand it. This is about a fix for a bug.

    This bug:

    Nothing more unique than the system already in place, but a feature that would make it more reliable. Something to prevent the situation previously described.
     
  26. Hunters' Moon

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    ...and here we go. I am only logical if I agree with you? How tamer-ish of you.
     
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    Bad assumptions fill this post to overflowing.
     
  28. Aibal

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    No. Logical conclusions based on your posts in this thread.
     
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    Funny, but a tamer is only my 3rd or 4th choice of templates. However, thanks for playing, you only reinforced what I thought.
     
  30. Hunters' Moon

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    I'm not a mind reader and I can only "know" what you mean by what you type.
     
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    No, but from this thread, being on a request to fix a bug and make the current system designed to prevent pets being lost due to disconnection more reliable, context could easily be inferred. Assuming you read what is being discussed. Either way, clearly you're just up-in-arms against anything for tamers, be it bug fixes or anything else. You should have gotten the point by now. Since all you're doing is knitpicking instead of discussing, no more comments from me are needed.
     
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    I have no problem with tamers getting what the OP has asked for...as long as all skill sets get something that is comparable. Tamers,or any template for that matter,should not get any feature that is exclusive to their specific skill set.
     
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    wish they could do something. I've lost a dread mare and a paroxy swampy from server downs, and the other night i lost a grizzled mare when atl went down again... frusterating.
     
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    I agree, which is why I believe at the next server down you should have your weapon go wild, fly off your body and attack the nearby spawn and get killed and forever deleted, and thus there be no way for you to claim it back because it wasn't even yours at the time it left the world. They could use the blade spirit animation perhaps, just for that special occasion for you...

    Also, tamers should be able to use the Imbuing skill upon their pets to get the perfect stats they'd like, and not have to bother looking for them in the wild. A whole game mechanic just for perfecting melee characters, denied to other classes?! Outrageous!

    They should also be able to use a Blacksmith Repair Deed on their pets so the post-death skill loss penalty doesn't apply. And they should be able to dunk their Cu Sidhe into the Fountains that produce Enhanced Bandages, and produce Enhanced Sidhes. Lovely clean doggies, rather than having to cover them in Rotting Corpse just to even get above 90 healing.

    Also Slayer spell books for pets. It's disgraceful you can't change damage type on the fly for pets!

    And be able to armour all of them, from Greater Chicken to Greater Dragon. Ridable Greater Dragons, yes. Why should Sampires and their swamp dragons have pragmatic and usable pet armour, that they can fight from the back of, but not the tamer class? For that matter, pets should have Life Leach as an inherent skill too. Why shouldn't they be able to solo Peerless?

    And like Necromancers, Tamers should be also be able to summon a grotty little Horde Daemon, picking up grudges and other irrelevant rubbish from off the floor and following them around with it. And because Tamers don't have a timer on their other pets, everyone's horde daemon can also be carrying this pointless trash around for, oooh let's say for over a decade or more. Or even forever.

    Oh wait, they already seem to have that one.
     
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    uhhhh...you lost me on this one.

    My sampire is fighting monster A, and the server crashes. I lose connection on my non-tamer and I am stuck there hunting and die. But My stuff is insured, so I lose my insurance money.

    Same situation, except I am on my tamer. Server crashes. I lose connection on my tamer and am stuck there hunting and I die. My stuff is insures, so I lose my insurance money, AND my pet may go wild and never be recoverable (it dies or goes wandering off).

    Youare right that tamers don't have the same issue to deal with...it appears that they have a worse deal.

    As this is the case, then you would, supposedly, have no problem with insuring pets instead of bonding them (and before you say Ok, but then they have durability, I agree, let them have durability and let them be POFable,as long as they are not imbued, but I won't have to worry, as I will just hunt for a GD with self repair)
     
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    Which was a solution to a bug.


    So yes, he was saying, here is the bug, here is a possible solution....
     
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    You are holding grudge for over 10 years?

    Tamer-phobia - the irrational fear of the "tamer"
     
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    So, would I be incorrect in summing up that you have a decade-old grudge against tamers, and are using that as primary basis for arguing against a bug fix?

    In the the example given earlier, the tamer with the rune beetle did everything right.
    They logged out, and everything was good.
    Then the shard crashed, and reverted to a point before they logged out, and their pet went wild.
    I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
     
  39. Llewen

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    That is a poor equivalent. The situation with tamers is more akin to the server crashing, and you logging in to find that that perfect reforged or high end looted item that you had built your suit around has vanished. It's one thing to lose an item that you've just looted, no matter how sweet it is, it is quite another to lose a core, irreplaceable, piece of your suit.

    And yes, I love my pets, I love their personalities, I love role playing with them, but I'm also extremely mercenary when it comes to them. A pet is equivalent to a piece of equipment.
     
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    If we change the whole request from 'Rune Beetle' to 'Fire Beetle' can we lose this obsession with a balance issue that was rectified almost 10 years ago and look at the problem more logically please?
     
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    I'd say to the tamer to deal with the bug like everyone has to. I have lost insured and blessed items to a glitch here and there. You know what I was told in game and on here in Stratics? "We can't replace lost items." Why should the the tamer get an extra layer of protection that not all skill sets are afforded?

    Nor would I,but it happens. Deal with it and move on.He was lucky that the rune beetle was right next to him when he logged back in. I wish I was as lucky to find lost equipment laying on the ground right next to me the next time I'd log in after losing the item.
     
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    You're unbelievable hunter. You'd deny a fix to a bug just because you have some irrational hatred towards tamers. Deny it as much as you want but that's the only explanation to your attitude here, nothing you've said can justify your arguments. This isn't about replacing lost items, go back and re-read the OP. This issue was suppose to have been fixed but they still couldn't factor in server down or reverts. If you want them to fix issues you're having with losing insured or blessed items go make your own thread, I can guarantee you there wont be anyone like you preaching against it due to some decade old grudge.
     
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    Because it's not just tamers that use pets.
    A bonded mount isn't nothing.
    A pet squirrel or ferret or frog or any other non-tamer pet is just as vulnerable as a cu sidhe or a greater dragon.
     
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    (This thread has taken a bit of a turn, so I'm going to quote a much earlier post and work from there in case this thread ends up getting a pruning.)
    You're looking at this the wrong way.

    Say I'm a non-tamer; a dexxer, perhaps. I go out hunting for awhile. At minute 37, I get a sweet item. At minute 60, the server crashes. It reverts 60 minutes, and I lose my sweet item that I obtained 23 minutes ago.

    Now say I'm a tamer. I go out hunting for awhile. At minute 60, the server crashes. It reverts 60 minutes, and I lose my dragon that I tamed 7 years ago.

    In other words: It's one thing to lose something to a revert that was acquired during the revert window. It's another thing entirely to lose something you already had long before the revert window.

    Your analogy only works if, as a non-tamer, you're losing items in reverts that you acquired days, weeks, and months ago, completely outside the revert window.
     
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    This is a very nice scenario Cogniac. However, it will be lost on Hunter, because, as others have pointed out, he/she still believes it's 2001 and that the nasty, overpowered tamer with 20 greater dragons is working his/her spawn. Rational thought is lost here, so I suggest not bothering.