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Discussion in 'UHall' started by Jove, Feb 17, 2010.

  1. Jove

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    I don't really think Discord is fair, everybody reaps the rewards of a discorder. Its not like its exactly easy to gain this skill and I get no special bonus for discording. A fighter can show up and as we all know they do the most damage anyway, how is this fair to a discorder? Its not. So glad I worked a skill that benifits everyone while I still suffer with doing the least amount of damage. How exactly is it fair to the person that took the time to gain this skill when everybody reaps the reward from it?
     
  2. Maximus Neximus

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    I've thought about this too. Discorders should either get some type of bonus points or the discord should only work for the discorder and party members.
     
  3. Discord 120
    Music 120
    Archery 120
    Tactics 100
    Antomy 90
    Bushido 100
    Chiv 70

    4/6 casting for Chiv heals. There ya go. No charge. Could even drop Anatomy for Healing if you felt like it.
     
  4. JohnWayne

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    So you need a fighting skill well thats fair either..
    The idea about discord only working for you or your party sounds pretty good to me
     
  5. If you're not going to take advantage of your own discord, why would you not expect someone else to? Seems that's on the discorder, not on everyone else. You only use 240 points max for it, what are you doing with the rest of them?
     
  6. Norrar

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    Discordance is a support type skill. Its meant to help others, not just you.
     
  7. Here's another thought on Conner's suggestion

    Music 120
    Disco 120 w/jewels
    Provo 120 w/jewels
    Archery 115 w/jewels
    Anat 100
    Tactics 100
    Chiv 80

    This is one of my chars and she does quite well. I can handle a lot of different PvM encounters with her. In a group with a Champ with the proper bow I can get good loot and a good chance at a drop. In Doom with Disco, EOO, and a demon slayer bow, I can do 100+ damage to DF.

    As for PvP, I haven't done much with her, but I can disco GDs and provoke spawn onto them or people.

    If you want a nasty combo:

    Music 120
    Disco 120
    Taming 120
    Vet 120
    Animal Lore 120
    Mage 100

    I know, no eval or med, but magery is just a secondary skill. Use it for healing, recall, gate, invis, etc. Your pet gets the benefit of your disco skill, all you have to do is heal. Now with this setup you will want a good MR suit and maybe jewels with med and eval on them for the boost. I did have a char with almost these skills on her and the disco really makes your pet shine.
     
  8. Lord Frodo

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    Discord + GD = :owned:
     
  9. Dunno where you came up with this at, but your smellin up the place with it.

    It was meant to assist the other skills of barding, mainly provoke, because of the whiners who cried about the bards "ruling" the dungeons with all our provokes, when in fact all one had to do was damage em after they were dancing and it shared looting rights.

    Granted, there are ways of using it to only assist ones self, as shown in the post about the archer build, but it certainly was not meant to help others unless it is used as such.
    It should have an option for self or community, or else it should give looting rights, as they did with it on the last live content, if I remember correctly.
     
  10. A Rev

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    They could implement what they did for the turkeys.

    the discorder Gained looting rights from other peoples damage.

    I often wondered why they implemented it for the turkeys yet not for other peerless'
     
  11. Winker

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    Then the option has to be added to allow other people to Disco the same spawn. As it stands now it can only be disco by one person
     
  12. Norrar

    Norrar Lore Master
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    Bards, in general , are a support class. Hate to break it to you.
     
  13. A Rev

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    Only one person can honor...whats the difference?
     
  14. Winker

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    Honor is a virtue. Disco is a Skill. Thats the difference! But im sure you knew that.
     
  15. Picus of Napa

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    If the OP is showing up with disco and wrestling which would equal the least damage possible then he/she shouldn't get looting rights. You're spaming a skill on a monster till it hits and then sit back waiting for a arti or loot?

    Or do you all kill/plink a arrow/mash with a weapon/cast ebolt all mixed with a disco spamming and still not get looting rights which would indicate that your temp/playstyle is lacking.

    Or is it that you spam a skill for a couple of tries till it hits while everyone else is playing aswell and you just don't wanna share? If it's the last one there are two answers:firstly go somewhere else or secondly don't spam disco. Plain and simple.

    I've got disco on both of my accounts one on a spawner which helps out my team and works perfectly. The other is on a tamer and I couldn't care if it helps or hinders who ever else is on the my screen.
     
  16. A Rev

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    But only the one honoring gets the gain from bushido...so whats the difference?

    Apart from of course discord helps all.
     
  17. Fink

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    It's the same rule for any PvM, get good at killing or get good at sharing.
     
  18. jfkeach

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    As someone who had a Bard before the Big Bard Nerf, I can tell you this, IT WOULD GET ABUSED. Every PvMer would be a bard tamer. Period. It would mean that every twink in the game would disco everything in sight and others wont get the loot they would otherwise get.

    Before the nerf, i mean before UO:R my bard mage ruled the dungeons. I could go anywhere in the game and make bank with him. Shadow Wyrms were a joke when you barded two of them on each other, and every hunting party had a bard with them.

    I am all about showing bards some love, but could you imagine what this would do to doom with everyone going there having provo? Sorry but even as a bard I say BAD IDEA.
     
  19. Tinsil

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    How about a toggle? Party members + me only, or everyone.

    Doesn't seem too hard.. Then again, it wouldn't really be a priority imo.
     
  20. Just how much looting rights you figure we gonna get, or are ya just going off the deep end cause you wont get the loot you would get otherwise?
    I mean, dang son, we aint tamers, we simple music players.
    So its ok by you to not get ANY rights for 240 skill?
    And this sounds balanced to you?:gee:
    Your kidding, right?:confused:
     
  21. Ok, hold on here a sec pls.

    Perhaps some of ya's are possibly misunderstanding MY point of view on this.

    I aint asking for disco RESULTS to be just me or my pals, rather AFTER the deed has been done it affects the mob the same for everyone, as it really does now.
    Im asking for looting right "points" for the action of the INITIAL disco affect, then after that it just about plays out like it does now.

    Same as the "points" your getting for that first flamestrike on a disco'd mob, I want "points" for the disco action itself, then after that its whatever it is, like it is now.
    Hope this clears up MY stand on disco.
     
  22. Viper09

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    I always saw discord as a support skill. It doesn't damage the creature, just temporarily weaken it. So you will definitely want another set of skills to be supported by discord in PvM.

    What other skill are you using on the creature to damage it though?
     
  23. Tuna fish

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    [Could even drop Anatomy for Healing if you felt like it.]

    for the record and future posts,you wont be healing very much without anat.

    :thumbup1:
     
  24. For the record, and future posts, you can heal 25+ish damage with Healing without Anatomy. I know the numbers. I certainly don't need anyone such as yourself trying to point them out to me. For the record. And future posts. :thumbup1:
     
  25. Picus at the office

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    I dropped anat on a number of stealth gimp archers for SS so as to purely grief people and you heal just fine. The only thing you give up is ressing and cureing poison which, for these chars, is not needed.
     
  26. LordDrago

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    Perhaps allow a bard who discords an opponent to receive a percentage of damage points for all damage done to the Mob. It could be a fairly low percentage, say 10%, so a bard would not become the top damager unless there were a lot of other players hitting the target (or the bard was also hitting the target). Damage bonus would not stack for the bard (ie, a bard with swords hits for 50 pts damage, would not get 55, but would get the 50 from their own hit alone, but his partner hits for 40, and the bard would get 4 pts for that hit).

    Now, if 12 people were hitting, and the bard had discorded, and the damage was pretty evenly spread out, then the bard could possibly be the highest damager.

    Also, only the 1st discorder would get trhe points unless the discord wore off, then whoever became the active discorder would then receive pts following a successful discord.
     
  27. retrorider

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    [off topic, but fun] A guy with 9 posts is trying to TEACH Conner G. about... well anything![/off topic, but fun]

    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
     
  28. Aran

    Aran INFRACTION INFRACTION INFRACTION!
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    What does the amount of posts on a barely known forum have to do with anything?
     
  29. Viper09

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    Coming from someone with only 37 posts? lmao

    But the amount of posts holds absolutely no credibility on anything as not even half of UO posts on stratics.
     
  30. Stupid Miner

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    Ah, I believe that's part off the odd concept of "teamwork." :p

    Back on topic:

    It'd be a good idea to give bards and discorders some kind of boost. Perhaps an inherent luck increase, or looting rights for discording, or whatever.
    Cohesive teamwork is a concept I've heard rumors of, but rarely ever experience. It's something they'll want to encourage.
     
  31. Lady_Mina

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    Bard skills are more for 'solo-ing'.

    They can also be usefull for peerless bosses but then everyone else who hits it benefits from your disco....

    There's not much solo stuff to do these days...
    So i would advice...either change template that boosts your damage wich only you benefit from...or stay disco/tamer and let other benefit from your hard raised skills.
     
  32. red sky

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    Well, if it makes you feel any better, you can use discord on monsters that don't have "everybody" attacking. Perhaps you should just take it off your template if you feel so bad about using it and not getting what you deserve.
     
  33. sablestorm

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    I've played since Beta and my provoker financed my whole guild. She could go where nobody else could and kill things nobody else could. So how is it exactly that she's a support character?
     
  34. Cardell

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    She supports your guild with funds....

    lol...

    I think bards are fine. Provoking pets on each other seems a bit too much. Peacers are just fine. Having a macro to area peace and drop a confusion pot makes it pretty tough for pets and dexers to stay aggroed to you and keep a steady flow of specials hitting you. Discorders own face.. No they don't get any recognition but their part is the same as a dedicated healers, their affects are their rewards.. Negation of pets.. Easy day...
     
  35. Konge

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    You need at least 50 Bushido to benefit from Honoring (other than gaining the virtue), The higher the skill in bushido, the faster you gain perfection.

    I see what you're saying though...

    You want to tie disco to a virtue.... let's go with sacrifice?

    :p
     
  36. Nothing really, although it is somewhat humourous.
     
  37. Lol, I hadn't noticed that. :lol:


    Very true, although what other people "don't" post has no bearing on what does get posted. It should be noted, however, that on Pacific, I've run into at least a hundred players (not an exaggeration) over the years that have run into me here or there when I'm actually staying in one spot that have made a point to thank me for such and such advice that they'd picked up from me here on the boards. There are many more that lurk here on Stratics than post, and many more than I think some would think. Pacific may be a stronger "Stratics shard" though, since quite a few of the more welll known players, at least in the past 5+ years, read and post on Stratics, along with passing along word about it when asked "how did you find that out?" by others.
     
  38. Ezekiel Zane

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    When I'm on Ezekiel Zane, my swords paladin, I every so often meet someone who has read my posts on Stratics. Just a guess but it seems that the majority of Stratics' screennames aren't also characters' names like Conner and I. I personally prefer a more upfront approach with less anonymity. Less BS that way.
     
  39. Garm The Green

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    :*(
     
  40. wanderer1origin

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    actually since nerf greaters cu also

    but this


     
  41. phantus

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    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahah :gee:


    The funniest part is you probably believe this. Bards are some of the most powerful characters in the game. Support characters....lol.

    I guess this could be true in a pvp environment where you only need a disco for boss' but short of that you have no clue what you are talking about.

    and for anyone that wants a good disco temp:

    120 Music
    120 Disco
    120 Mysticism
    120 Focus
    120 Magery
    120 Eval

    Disco + RC = :owned:
     
  42. LordDrago

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    This. I mean, I do not expect to get looting rights because I sat back and healed/rezzed everyone, paralyzed, cursed, etc.

    Although I do think that the discorder should get some benefit for discording (a certain percentage of damage points get assigned to teh discorder for purposes of looting/drops, etc. Up to a certain amount).

    How many people run a discorder without any other means of attack? The only template I can think of offhand (without getting too crazy) would be a straight bard, but even then, they probably run with magery as well.
     
  43. I agree...use your character name in the forum so we know who you are when we see you run for tram in the game:lol: