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Diso. Provo. Vs. Disco. Tamer

Discussion in 'UO Bard' started by Legendary Rouser, Feb 14, 2014.

  1. Legendary Rouser

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    Hey all, I was a vet player back in 2000-2004, I made millions of gold back in the day provoking shadow wyrms against each other while tamers couldn't even imagine dropping down the that lvl of destard. They dropped 1800-2200 gps each, with very nice magic items, and skinning them you accuired more hides and meat then a regular dragon and also the Fabled black dragon scales. (To my knowledge no longer exists). As that being said, I stopped playing in 04 and a lot of changes have came and gone. One of the big ones is the addition of the Greater Dragon (GD). I've tried to go down to the shadow wyrms of late and had nothing but OoOoOo. The speed and resiliance of the wyrms down there just boggle me. Not to mention the faster casting of any magic user monster in UO. If you didn't know there are 2 Deamons, and 2 Mages and 2 Shadow Wyrms down there (Fel side) Not sure if its different for Tam. (Like the mages in the mage tower of Shame). Now there was wyrven's and drakes there. I just stealhed down to that lvl with my theif and only saw 2 deamons 2 mages and 2 wyrms. As a provoker, you need 2 targets. I'm not sure if you can provoke humans onto monsters, but i know you provoke deamons onto dragons or some humans like wondering healers. My thing is i guess, anyone have a template that uses provoke, discord and maybe taming into the mix that is "very effective" or with the loss in skills diminish that? 120 music, disc, provoke, but then to have a gd you will need 120 taming, lore, and at least 100 vet. thats 700 points. with 20 left could you do focus or med? with the bard mastery thats no where near close enough to maintain the upkeep? or could some jewls or gear balance that out? Or just go straignt Disco tamer with 120 music, disco, tame, vet, lore, med, and some magery for travel? tips/suggestions are appricieated

    Respectfully

    Poetic Ruin of Atlantic (Formally of Great Lakes)
     
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  2. dupapa

    dupapa Journeyman
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    Hi


    this is the template i currently have on my tamer,

    disco/provo/bard/tamer

    94/32/122

    Magery 100
    AnimalL 110
    AnimalT 110
    vet 100
    music 100/ 120 ring/brace
    disco 100/ 120 ring/brace
    provo 100/ 120 ring/brace

    110/110 lore and tame (enough for 99.9% control of GD) - if out taming new creatures i use a ring to get lore/tame 120/120






    60 skill points between two jewellery to bump music, disco, provo to 120 each, 2FC/4FCR





    mana is the main issue, even with 12 MR & 45LMC on suit i find it can be limiting to how big a foe i can take on and the use of the masteries is limited.

    i dont run a decent suit as im on SP

    i still find the character a blast to play as its quite a flexible all rounder.
     
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  3. Tomarke

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    Right now my build is peace/disco/tamer but my tactics are primarily as a disco/tamer.

    I can handle most of the places I go into with disco and a GD and I have peace on the template for when things go to hell and I need some focused crowd control.

    My skills end up being:
    120 Music
    120 Peace
    120 Disco
    120 Animal Taming (+10 on ring)
    120 Animal Lore (+10 on ring)
    100 Magery (with +15 from Tome of Lost Knowledge, +10 ring and +10 bracelet)
    102 Vet (+14 ring and +13 bracelet)

    I have 40 LMC and 16 MR to help maintain the masteries. I tend to switch between bard masteries depending on what i'm doing. The rest of my suit is all 70 resists 105% LRC and with 775 luck, which I can boost up around 1600 if I am willing to sacrifice some of my mana regen (usually just farming loot in shame). I also have a couple of STR mods imbued (to help with what I can carry, i'm an elf) and int bonus/MI. Not a really high end suit, it just kind of came together over time but rounds a fairly effective template.

    I have been toying with the idea of stoning peace and trying out this template with provoke I just haven't done it yet. I have been fairly content as is.

    Edit: I should also mention that I cannot maintain both bardsongs indefinitely without meditation but with my LMC and MR I can have one song going all of the time and can run both for about 4-5 minutes at a time. I've also been toying with the idea of giving up some magery for med but the limitations with the bardsongs hasn't really bothered me all that much.
     
  4. CorwinXX

    CorwinXX Babbling Loonie
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    I believe if you relay on a GD as a main source of damage you'd better to use a song with DI/HCI.
     
  5. Tomarke

    Tomarke Seasoned Veteran
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    Yes, and that is one of the main reasons I want to stone peace and work up provocation, just haven't done it yet


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  6. Diomedes Artega

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    Sorry kind of an old thread but, haven't played bard in a long while. What is ideal now, peace or provoke for bard tamer?
     
  7. Tomarke

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    Honestly it depends on your play style and what you want to do with it, both are perfectly viable templates.

    I switch back and forth between peace/disco/tamer and provo/disco/tamer all the time. Most of the time it's based on what I'm fighting or even just what kind of mood I'm in.


    This decision is all about you, make yourself happy ;)
     
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  8. Diomedes Artega

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    Thank you Tomarke for that information. Gives me something to ponder!
     
  9. CorwinXX

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    i think hci/di from provo songs must be useful for a tamer
    and disco looks better (then peace) candidate for the second skill for me
     
  10. Tomarke

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    true but sometimes it's not all about dps and hc. Crowd control when soloing as a tamer can be just as important if not more important than those things. Plus when in a group peace songs have some pretty good buffs.