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Do you agree with paying 114k in taxes for our Gov?

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by Tycolby, Apr 16, 2009.

  1. Tycolby

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    Yes you heard me, Look it up. Thats what our childern will have to pay for this new spending bill that the "The Fed" has coming for us. Or should I say for them. Does 6 million ppl on the national Tea party Day mean we got the numbers wrong?

    I dont think so, Please understand that we are being voted out of our right to a government controlled by the ppl. When you are standing in line for you monthly rations of meat and coffee, you will remember this post.
     
  2. Kayhynn

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    I'm sorry, I think I must have misunderstood you. Are you trying to say that we -didn't- vote the folks in office into office? Because you know, I think we ended up voting all of the House of Reps, the President and the Senate in.

    6 million people need to realize, that, this all started 8 years ago and it's going to cost money to fix what was broken.

    Or you can leave it broken and let it break worse.

    Pirates. Tea Parties? What's next? Civil war? Please, let's get out of the 18th century mindset folks and get with the modern age.

    If you don't like it, use your rights as an American and follow the procedures needed to change. Or as my dad would say "**** or get off the pot, but don't just sit there doing nothing."
     
  3. Aran

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    Ah yes, the modern liberal.
     
  4. MoneyMaker

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    I couldn't have said it better (or shorter).
    Read your history people!!
    let me give you a era to start with 1966-1974, you might be surprised at the similarities!
    Learn from history, or we are all doomed to repeat it!!
     
  5. Kayhynn

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    My blog goes into more detail

    www.girlgamer.net

    Do not read if you are easily offended
     
  6. Flora Green

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    Tea parties and protests are doing something are they not? Or do protests only count when it's Cindy Sheehan exploiting her dead son?
     
  7. Kayhynn

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    They're doing something minor. If they want to do something, there's a checks and balances system for the reason. Use the judicial system for something other than sueing everyone, protect your constitutional rights.

    Or make lipton a lot of money. Your choice.

    PS I ignored that twit for a reason.
     
  8. MoneyMaker

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    *applauds*

    Very nice Blob page layout, by the way.
     
  9. Atlantian

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    6 million tea baggers? I'm also thinking the south will rise again. NOT
     
  10. Hanna

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    For every 1 of those 6 million you can add another 20 who agree but didn't show up for the protest.

    And a correction, it all started 10 years ago with Clintan and the democrats, when they screwed up the way mortgages were handed out. The mortgage defaults are the main reason are economy is how it is today. Even though Bush call for changes in 2001, then more republicans called for changes in it 2003, McCaine himself tried to get a bill passed in 2005 to prevent what happened. All blocked by the democratic congress, who wanted to give everyone a house so bad that they screwed us all.
     
  11. Nestorius

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    The Congress did not become Democratic until November 2006. What were the Republicans doing for the 6 years they controlled both houses and the executive branch? I heard a lot about Terry Shiavo, but nothing about this issue. Maybe you have been lied too?
     
  12. Hanna

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    Nope not at all, it was not about control at all. It is about whos measure it was. The problem with you democrates is all you look at is who has the majority seats and which party has the presidency. You must look at each action by itself to see who is really behind whats going on.

    People love to blame the president for everything that happens. They watch the news, the vaste majorty of the new media who are liberal, many very far left, and tend to believe the current propaganda,. They rarely look at the issues critically. However, the process of the government is not that simple. It's very common to give credit or blame to a party because they are in "control", but it is also a very lazy foolish way of evaluating your elected officals.

    Party majority (Control) has it's benifits, but does not mean the other party(s) gets no voice.
     
  13. Nestorius

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    In other words, the liberals, the left, the 'democrates' party should be blamed for America's problems whether or not they have been elected into office or have control of Congress. A party-line apocryphal story like the banking crisis being caused by Democrats forcing banks to hand out mortgages to the poor is much more palatable than facing the truth that deregulated Wall Street invaded the commercial banking sector and gambled the reserves in stupid risky investments.
     
  14. Hanna

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    Well, most of the risky investments were the bad mortages so ya.

    "In other words, the liberals, the left, the 'democrates' party should be blamed for America's problems whether or not they have been elected into office or have control of Congress."

    If you want to blame them for all of America's problem with your obvious inability to read go ahead. I prefer to just hold them accountable for their own policies. The main problem with Bush(aside from the fact he is one of the worst public speakers) and several of the republicans in the past few years, is that theyhave been adopting too many normally democratic economic policies. But that doesn't make democrates unaccountable for the things they have done as you would have it. And certainly when you take the riskiest part of democratic enconmic policies and merge them with the riskiest part of republican policies, and then follow with obmama pie in the sky policies, oh ya this is going to fun.
     
  15. Nestorius

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    Just curious, what's a democratic-type economic policy that Bush had adopted before he started making bailouts?

    I find it strange that you don't hold the investment banks themselves accountable for putting themselves out of business. Why is it the government's fault that Goldman Sachs or Bear Stearns couldn't manage their money? Even Fannie Mae... whatever the government policies were on mortgages, these were private corporations who are supposed engage in rational behavior... they could have told Congress or the press there were untenable policies if they really knew them to be so.
     
  16. Hanna

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    Excessive spending, and in more areas then just the war.
    I hold the democrat politicans responsible not only because they put it into motion, and because it went on so long because of their blocking actions to correct it.

    There is plenty of blame to go around. You can hold each of the companies and individuals responsible for their own actions, but when it came down to it the people who had the power to fix the mounting problem blocked attempts to fix it. And not only that, the chairman of the financial services commitee Barney Frank(D) told everyone that it would all be fine even after the first wave of mortage failures.
     
  17. Nestorius

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    Do you think if the financial services and commerical banking industry were less regulated by the government, this problem would have never happened?
     
  18. Hanna

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    No, but do you? There is a fine balance between government regulation to protect the general intersts of the citizans and the country and stifling private business ability to function properly. If there is something going wrong, you don't fix it by slapping on a ton of regulation. You have to choose the level carefully and tweak it until you obtain the optimum balance. And if there is not enough regulation and policies that encourage very risking lending, you don't block and ignore all efforts to fix it!
     
  19. MoneyMaker

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    Probably not, but the goverment is not gonna be able to fix the problem either. Every time the goverment has intervened in the buisness world, it has resulted in longer recovery.
    Most of our elected officials have no experience in buisness, so they have no basis to make the decisions that will change the problem. (note: I did not say none of them, some of them do actually have a background in buisness.)
    Its like asking a fry cook from Mc Donalds to repair a defective nuclear warhead.
    He knows what it is, he might even know the theory behind nuclear physics, but he is not trained to fix it. that is the same for our goverment, they know how it works, but they have no clue how to fix it.
    The best thing that the goverment could do is halt the handouts of bailout money and let some of the old dinosaurs die out. there is a reason they are and have been failing. Like the presidents campaign slogan said "its time for a change", it might not be the way he meant it, but is what will work.
    America does not want what these companies produce, anymore.
    The bailout money should go twords helping the common people get through these times, not a failing company (who in many cases is handing out bonuses to their "upper level" employees).
    Given time (face it, its gonna take time, no matter what route we take) their will emerge other companies that are selling goods (made in america hopefully) that people do want and can afford/use.
    The worst problem with the housing market was the shoddy way loans were handled. If your credit was sub par, then you shouldn't have been able to buy a house. the blame for this one falls on many shoulders, not one partie's or even one bank.
    That is my opinion. Don't like it? well no one's will perfectly agree with anyone else's. Thats why we have so many parties in our goverment, to give everyone a voice for their opinion.
     
  20. Nestorius

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    I don't buy it when people say career politicans don't have business experience. They have a product (i.e. themselves), and they sell (advertise) it by getting voters to vote for them, through an infrastructure basically dependent on raising venture capital (campaign donations). What am I missing here?
     
  21. MoneyMaker

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    that "venture capital" is also known as special interests.
    say your a company that sells something that is.. um... bought by the government or is a controversial product (i.e., oil, casino, etc.). well to keep the current legislation or government office that controls your product or business, voting for/diverting funds too, you help to get them elected by "donating" to their campaign fund or gifting to them (and we all know that they never report it all).
    In essence its just like these movie stars becoming the spokesperson for a product/cause. They aren't the actual ones selling it, they are just a mouth piece for that company. Just as the politician is supposed to be the spokesperson for the people, but in reality they are no more than a mouthpiece for the groups who helped to ensure their election.
    I am not saying that all politicians are this way, just that their is a small majority who actually put in the hard work to raise the funds for campaigning, in what I would call, a legitimate avenue.
     
  22. Jonny

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    Umm, how about we elect a moronic president based on the fact that we don't want to look racist? I don't care if McCain or Obama was president, they'd still **** things up for everyone (as all Republicans and Democrats have since Woodrow Wilson took office).

    Also, I am a firm believer that we should let the economy turn to ****. Once everything is broken, only thing we can do is rebuild. There should be no more CEO/Presidents or moronic, ill-experienced Socialist-wannabes/Presidents. Let the people run their own damn economy for once since 1900.

    Oh, and Civil War was 19th century, not the 18th.
     


  23. you voted for Obama because you didn't want to look racist?
    you're probably the only one.
     
  24. Aran

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    I know I say this a lot... But aren't you just the cutest.
     
  25. Diomedes Artega

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    I think I won't remember this post while China is holding a bunch of our currency. But, oh wait...that money won't be worth much anyways will it.

    "If foreign lenders like China start worrying about being paid back or the U.S. devalues all the dollars China now holds (about $2 trillion), China will stop lending new money to the U.S. and it will sell those dollars it currently owns. That will cause U.S., interest rates to rise and that will kill the recovery and ultimately lead to an economic collapse."

    Not an accredited website in my book but the initial link is. All one really has to do is type in google "amount of money China holds."

    Any U.S. citizen is in the dark if you think we really hold any capital. It's kaput.
     
  26. Arch Magus

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    America is the #1 superpower.

    If we need something, we'll take it. Plain and simple.
    No one can stand up to us.:thumbsup:
     
  27. Arch Magus

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    Adorable.:blushing:
     
  28. .... I am, its true.
     
  29. Diomedes Artega

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    And this logic is based on what? Quite conversely nothing will be happening if China dumps all of our dollar bills. That = no money. No money = not doing much. And...since I've served in the military I can tell you...I didn't work for free.
     
  30. Aran

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    No, you worked for the joy of killing. I know how your kind is.
     
  31. Diomedes Artega

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    Speak for yourself. Maybe if you're a Marine. If you aren't sure what that means, Go watch the movie "Full Metal Jacket."
     
  32. Aran

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    Referencing a movie to show an example of service...

    Come clean. You were never in.
     
  33. Diomedes Artega

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    You have a cynical point of view. Actual I'm not a habitual liar so you can come clean perhaps. I served a total of 4 years overseas in 2 combat zones and served a total of 8 years altogether. If you like, you can go look up the Congress line and paragraph that states why the total time in service requirement is 8 years. Thank you very much.
     
  34. Arch Magus

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    What's China gonna do? Dump all our money then come conquer us?:coco:

    When Obama finds a way to take away all our guns, then we can start to worry.
     
  35. Diomedes Artega

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    It is my understanding that you aren't up on the literature that wars cost money. You need money for supplies. Supplies are gotten from vendors and/or suppliers. These are typically DOD contracted companies. These companies won't be doing anything when the contract runs out and the DOD does not have money to renew the contract. Capiche?
     
  36. Diomedes Artega

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    Additionally, its best to stay out of a topic if you have no knowledge about it. DOD by the way = The Department of Defense. No defense spending = military not doing anything.

    Supply costs and contracts are governed for namely fuel and food. And the military is not Sisco, so that pretty much means they get all of their supplies from elsewhere. Little is self-made.

    Have you heard the saying, the contract goes to the highest bidder?
     
  37. Arch Magus

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    666 posts Diomedes.:blushing:

    now you're scarin' me
     
  38. Diomedes Artega

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    ? Couldn't be more offtopic. Have no clue what you're talking about.
     
  39. Aran

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    One of my clients is a DOD contractor.

    Suffice it to say, business is dead at the moment. Then again, what they produce isn't exactly in painful demand lately, so most of what's been produced under contract has been stockpiled.
     
  40. Arch Magus

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    That happened to be your post count when I last looked.

    BTW, I have faith that America will be fine in the near future.
    Enough doom and gloom.:D
     
  41. Diomedes Artega

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    Yeah that's true. Quite valid point. Perhaps with everything stockpiled it's alright. Then again, judging from how old some of the equipment I used to repair is...I hope it doesn't break.
     
  42. Diomedes Artega

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    Ah I see lol. Eh I don't pay attention to that stuff. As far as America and China goes...and the rest of the world for that matter, it's a global economy so I don't think one country would do anything foolish. Then again...oh well. Whatever. Just be happy and keep a shotgun in your house I guess lol.
     
  43. Arch Magus

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    This is all true.
    Everyone does need to stay armed.

    I'm sure you know this, but in WW 2, the reason Japan wouldn't try to take the U.S on it's own soil was because they knew we were armed to the teeth, house to house.

    Just a little something that always stuck in my mind.lol. Others might not know that.:D
     
  44. Aran

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    My shotgun is only one of many lines of defense.
     
  45. Arch Magus

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    Or in my case, offense. :p
     
  46. Aran

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    Are you saying I'm offensive?
     
  47. Diomedes Artega

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    Hey, at least the other person is dead first. :D
     
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    I'll read it, if you can assure me that pic you used to use in your sig is there somewhere? :)
     
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    This problem wouldn't have ever happened if people who knew from Day 1 that they couldn't afford a behemoth of a house, had never tried to live above their means. Everyone wants a piece of the American Dream, to own their own home, etc....but don't abandon your common sense during your search.
     
  50. MoneyMaker

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    Whole heartedly agree. If you make more than 25k a year and your living paycheck to paycheck, you really need to do some soul searching about what your spending that money on. (there are exceptions to that, I was just using the 25k as a benchmark)