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Does the discord trick not work anymore?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Yadd of Legends, Jun 9, 2015.

  1. Yadd of Legends

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    Building a t hunter on a new shard - 94.5 carto - discorded by satyr back to 68.1 - made 100 sea charts at 50 percent chance while discorded - not a single gain - seems too much for even bad RNG - was the discord trick nerfed?
     
  2. Duncan McDermott

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    I thought it was world maps you had to make at that level?
     
  3. Yadd of Legends

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    world maps when I was not discorded and at 94.5 - said sea charts 50 percent chance when I was discorded back to 68.1
     
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    what shard? I have a bunch of lvl 4-5 on LS that I would be more then happy to donate!
     
  5. Yadd of Legends

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    Thanks. I've been building a new army on Great Lakes. I've got resources on Atlantic and Legends but no shard shields to transfer them - although it's been interesting seeing what I could accomplish from scratch on a new shard anyway. What I've been reminded of is that it's very, very hard to get some skills up without buying mythic character tokens or stuff from the Origin store to sell for gold. I suppose that's how the game is designed, isn't it, giving you the choice of spending money for short cuts or wearing out your hands doing it the hard way? Which is why I'm wondering if the discord trick has been nerfed.
     
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    i used the trick not to long ago and it worked just fine.
    believe i did the same as you but i also did the lockpicking top off in there as well.

    im sure this goes without saying, so ill say it to be a smart azz but did you make sure you have available points and the right stuff was turned down so you can gain in cartography?
     
  7. Yadd of Legends

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    Yea, fair question, I checked arrow and was gaining on making maps just before the trip and have plenty of skill points left on this character - I'll try again tomorrow - I suppose it's possible I just had awful luck that run. I am using EC and noticed it said 68.1 carto but when I clicked "show real skill" it read 94.5, so I hope it wasn't reading that instead of discorded skill
     
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    I'm going to put my 2 cents in here and hope everyone doesn't think I'm crazy, lol. I've played UO about 14 yrs now and over that 14 yrs I've worked every skill...some of them 20 times or more. I've noticed that EVERY skill I work eventually hits a "lull" spot and stops gaining for a short while. Any skill that goes to 100 hits that lull at about 92-95, skills that go to 120 I usually lull out at 102-105. I say keep trying to gain and see what happens. :)
     
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    Yadd I sent you a pm...
     
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    I'll make a couple more trips to Swoops tomorrow, do a couple hundred more maps while discorded and report what happens
     
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    Must have been a bad run. Last week I finished Cart using the Satyr trick, on Atlantic. Worked great. Gains do slow down at the end, but not than much.
     
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    I had RoT gains stop for a while yesterday. Ran out of free real skill points, stoned off a skill to free up more points and couldn't get gains to start up again. Logged off and back on, played a while trying, and gave up and played RL instead. Came back on later and gains were working normally. *shrugs*

    Have to try the discord trick on him and see what effect it has on what he needs to hunt, provided he can discord himself.
     
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    I wonder if a trained Sillenii (satyr in Despise) will lower your skills more than a "wild" satyr in Twisted Weald?!?
     
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    The First Mate on a Gargoyle ship works too.
     
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    They do. If you have positive Karma, get a level 15 phantom... Much more powerful discord.
     
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    Does it work when you are in stat from VvV?
     
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    Awesome! Now I might finish a few skills a bit faster.. :smile2:
     
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    I think the biggest misconception about using the discord trick is that it inherently changes the rate at which you gain... It does not. It only changes what you need to perform in order to gain. Sometimes that means you can perform actions faster or more often, like with magery... Lower mana expense and faster casting times, which produces more attempts... Which in turn produces faster gains... But your gains per attempt are still that of the higher skill, not the lower skill.
     
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    That's interesting - so discorded back to 65 you still get the slow gains of 95? Well, that's not all that helpful for carto then until you're at 99.5, is it?
     
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    I don't personally remember if there are any resource requirement differences between the maps you make... Seems like it's a pen and a blank scroll regardless of map type. The only advantage I can recall for the discord trick it to try and get that success rate chance in a more favorable range. So for example if making the top end map at 94 skill only gives you a 45% success rate and making the other map while discorded gives you a 55% chance, you are better off getting discorded. Your gain rate per successful attempt is still based on the 94 skill, but you will have more successful attempts at 55% than 45%... Which will translate to more gains.
     
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    Tanny, sometimes rot system lags and you have no gains till the server resets I think, that's kinda random.

    DjAd, yeah the vvv death skill penalty works, and it works even better than satyr disco. Was going to mention that but got busy a bit.
     
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    If it's true that your gain rate is based on your true skill, it's best not to get discorded for carto before 99.5, since your success rate on world maps at 94 is around 90 percent and your success rate drops to 50 percent on sea charts when discorded back to 65 - especially since you can just stand in a map makers shop and make maps all day by selling them back and actually gain faster than if you had hauled maps to Twisted Weald and got discorded - what a disappointment, lol
     
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    Not sure that is functionally accurate. I would get a crystal ball of knowledge and try both places... I'm guessing at 94 making world maps you are in the "easy" or "too easy" range. A lower success chance should get you closer to "optimal".