I thought the way it worked was that pretamed bulls always gave better gains? I was in jhelom pen trying to tame a few bulls and another tamer was killing them off as fast as he tamed them. I tried to tell him/her that pretames gave better gains. They never replied, I watched them kill off a few more then left. Am I wrong or is this just a bad tamer? Taming Ki-rins is giving me gains in lore but few very if any in taming. I even SS off med to give me better headroom for skills.