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dormant luna houses

Discussion in 'UHall' started by syndael, Dec 21, 2013.

  1. syndael

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    On Lake Superior, we are not the most active shard and far from dead. We have the regulars who play alll the time, but as I am running around luna checking out my house and other vendors I noticed we have (11 to 12 ) eleven to twelve houses that are dormant!!!!!! :mad: . No vendors set to privet, have not changed in months or years!!!. Just empty dirt plots. A good chunk of them are owned by the same name, i take it the same person as well.
    We could have a more people on here, but these people just pay to have a blank account that holds a house, where someone new to the game 1 will never get a plot here, or have to pay a large amount of money.
    I was very luck. I bought my small house in luna, ( I probably have the smallest on the shard from a long time friend. ) new players will not get that kind of chance most likely. :(

    Wondering what other peoples thoughts are about it.
     
  2. Thrakkar

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    There's nothing one could do here. You can't let the devs take these plots by force, as long as this guy is paying these accounts at least every 3 months.

    But now with vendor search coming, luna plot prices could plummet and this guy might not see it as feasible as before, to pay these accounts just to keep these plots...
     
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    I think there are 5 plots dormant on Europa owned by Darsus, they have not been active for the last 4-5 years... Maybe longer.
     
  4. MalagAste

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    I think it's sad to see... I have a house next to me that I wish would go away or be active but in the last 5 or 6 years have NEVER once seen anyone there. I often wonder if they play anymore or why they are paying for that plot if they have no intention of playing.... it's in season again as it's been decorated for Xmas as many years as it's been there. Yet there it sits... there's a castle that just sits there too but.... I guess I can see paying for that.

    But honestly if you want to sell a Luna house kinda dumb to just leave the plot sit there and never be around to unload it. Yet maybe they just want to keep everyone else from having vendors..... you never know some people are complete jerks about it.
     
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    Not active and yet paid for. Frustrating. It seems some people feel they will become more valuable later or simply well funded enough to not care about the expenditure.
     
  6. Captn Norrington

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    Atlantic's dormant luna house problem is even worse sadly.... theres approximately 50 total in town luna houses, about 30 are either dormant or owned by people that play on another shard and never use the house...extremely annoying, but nothing we can do about it.
     
  7. Aibal

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    It hardly looks like thirty dormant on Atlantic. And of those, I know a lot of Luna real estate owners that don't vendor, so I would hardly base an active property on vendors. JMO.
     
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    Dollars to donuts that these people don't even know they are paying for these accounts. They are set up on automatic recurring and even though your debit card/credit card may expire the banks will keep authorizing this as it's a recurring charge. This is a "safety" feature so if you forget to update your CC card you don't miss a mortgage or utility payment.

    If these people are paying for an account to keep a house up and running and fully know this that is OK in my book, however.... They should be forced to log in and refresh their house.
     
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  9. Goodmann

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    With the new vendor patch there is no need for luna now. Let them waste away
     
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    I wont be making my vendors public. I will be using the vendor search to price my sales. Not like I've ever needed a handy price check engine. Those not lazy shoppers will still find bargins out there. I will not be making my vendors a resupply depot for another vendor house. Stick that in your hat.
     
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    Aibal, to be more specific I said dormant or the owners play offshard and log in maybe once every 6 months to rent vendors. Atlantic definitely has a lot of vendors, so looks like the house owners are active...most are not, those vendors have been there for years and years.
     
  12. Lexfixr

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    Where is it said that Luna houses have to have vendors?
     
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    Might it be a grandfathered house, and the owner no longer plays? I sometimes forget about a Fel house I have on another shard, a quiet enough place that I don't feel bad about taking up the space. :)
     
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    If they pay for the account there is nothing anyone can do really. Not even really open to debate in my opinion.
     
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    they should at least make it that the house owner has to check the house sign once a year to keep the house active - that's not a very high bar to overcome and it would get rid of these ghost houses held by people with more money than god and don't give a crap about the game
     
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    Lol its not just Luna!!!! jesus the devs started dropping all the unused /dormant house about a year back..alas there was that much panic they stopped!!!! ...around a third to half of every shards houses are dormant on all facets....yes yes many castles included!!:next:
     
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    Some of you folks kill me. I'm paying for my account and you want to mandate when I come in game or how I use my house. Just absurd.

    If the account is in good standing, meaning being paid for, that's all that counts. How and when a paid account is used is no one's business IMHO
     
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    Thank you for paying for the upkeep of our servers, but if someone's apathy is going to hinder another player's game play you aren't doing anybody a favor. Paying for the service should only be paying for the service. Physically playing the game is what entitles you to the the in-game perks. Sure, life happens, but if something is so bad that it's going to keep you form booting up UO at least 4 times a year (I think a 3 month timer on housing decay is more than generous) , maybe you should consider putting your money somewhere else that benefits you more?

    You seem strangely hostile over this. Does it really matter if someone just buys you stuff to restock their vendor at a higher price? If so then you 1) sold items at the price you wanted them for 2) some idiot pays more money for it on another vendor at a lower profit margin and 3) why not just raise your prices?

    It's simple economics. You also simply run the risk of people just not using your vendor if you don't list it. Speaking for myself of course but if it's not listed... I'm not going to go look for it!
     
  19. Sean

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    Actually, my accounts get played multiple times a week since beta, I was speaking in general terms. And sorry but your idea that "paying for the service should be only paying for the services" is ridiculous, a person pays for the service and everything the service provides, which would include any in game perks should one decide to login and get them.
    Besides I don't spend my money worrying if I'm doing anyone a favor, I spend my gaming money for enjoyment, for when and where I decide to do so.
     
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    Not everyone is blinded by making as much gold as possible.
    Some of us actually like to offer good deals to those players that actually need the item(s).
     
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    LOL....simply... expand out of Luna's capsule.... and except that 25-50% of housing on ALL SHARDS is unused/bugged/in limbo/wont ever fall unless the devs start the program that they stopped due to the mass panic last year....call it what u want....its not just Luna....jesus!!
     
  22. Leira of Asrai

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    Actually, paying for the service DOES entitle me to play the game whenever and however I wish, to include any and all items I may acquire during the time I m paying for the account. As long as I don't cheat or grief another player.

    Are you then also saying that my tamer must take out every pet from the stable and play with them at least once, or I will lose my pet. How about a dexxer. Do they have to equip and use every weapon/piece of armor they may have acquired or those will be removed from the game too?

    If someone pays for an account, they have the right to play it how they want. Even if it means leaving a house in Luna as a dirt plot.

    Is it fair? Absolutely YES!
     
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    If anyone seriously needs a Luna house to make their game enjoyable they can simply purchase one of the ones that is not dormant.
    They are ridiculously expensive on Atlantic but I guess if someone is silly enough to believe that the house is all the game is about then no price is too high.
    I own a Luna house on Atlantic and if I did nothing but farm I could earn enough gold (approx 5 billion) to buy another in less then a year.
    What's the OP's point again?
     
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    some of these homes could be employees of EA. I know they can have free accounts as long as they are employed with EA games. Sometimes I think these homes get left behind, such as someone may of quit or got fired but left the account behind. And it will show it as active because it is a free account. But as long as it is an active account there is nothing that can be done.
     
  25. Mithryl Elves

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    This

    And yes, LS is a DEAD server. It is now considered a spawning/farming server.
     
  26. Captn Norrington

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    I think there should be an option added to the game showing when a house owner last entered their home, that way people would know which houses truly are abandoned, and which houses are owned by people who don't play a lot.
     
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  27. claudia-fjp

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    I know one of the Trammel castles on Pacific is still on an EA employee's account. It was one of the old ownerless banned homes then many years ago they put it on his account and tried to auction it off for in game gold. Well they ended up banning the high bidder since he was bidding with duped gold and never bothered to do anything with the castle after that.
     
  28. Lady Storm

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    OK I SEE WE BACK TO THIS SUBJECT....

    Time out....

    Let's talk ...

    First off who died and left you the power to TELL the dev squat?

    Houses in UO fall if not paid for... as i just let a tower on pac fall as it was not worth keeping the account on i let it go after i emptyed the home. So I KNOW its working.
    Yes there are a few of the RTB homes still standing... and if I recall Mesanna said they have plans to continue to find and drop them After the hollidays, so there is hope for those players waiting for that to happen.

    But as for your complaints of homes that quite clearly are paid for and owned by players in game........

    The idea of showing the last time a home was occupied by an account is clearly invasion of privacy.
    I am sorry I dont have to be seen by anyone in game to be playing on a shard.
    ANY SHARD!...

    As the owner of 53 accounts one would assume I have homes... all over infact. Do I play in them every day? Who made it your business? Hell NO.
    I pay for the right to play where and when I want.
    Just because you covet a place and are tired of waiting to aquire that choice place doesnt give you rights to push the rightfull owers out of their property.
    I dont give a rats behind if you never have seen them... Too bad.
    There are 24 hours a day and 365 days a year and if that house/ account is paid for.. you do not have the rights to invade their space. PERIOD!

    I have been on Baja and poped in the Luna bank and seen not a soul and worked my characters on 6 or 9 shards in an afternoon and not seen 1 other Character.

    Does that mean the shards vacant? NOPE
    If this was the case, then EVERY House should drop on al the shards... as i didnt see a living soul... is that what you want? Go back to the 7 day bit where you have to click on house sign or open a door to refresh your house and be forever trapped with the chance you need to be gone for longer and loose all you worked for? Like we had?
    No vacations, no peace of mind... just the worry of did the refresh on my house go in on or am i decaying?
    If this is so. I can guarantee you this... in under 5 months UO will be a thig of the past as players leave when someone forgets and looses something they worked years for dropped due to your greed.

    For example : I was on napa a few days ago and saw absolutely no one... is was so quiet ... I hit hte chat button and said "Any body out there?"
    I got over 6 replys in seconds.. and some took min to say hello yes someone was home... All were doing just like i do, playing and not bank sitting.
    Odd consept? nope...

    I have seen this very thing on all the shards that look vacant.... So there goes your idea of no one is home there fore tear them down.

    Just because a house is not public and you cant see any changes..or even if it is and you still see no changes that is ok... it dont mean some person is not in the game and playing.
    AS for keeping a home on their main shard and playing on other shards..... *cough* It is encouraged for players to visit other shards. Hello...

    Kojack sweety I dont know how many times i am in the house menu a week... mostly to double check the storage i have available.
    But to ask someone to ope it to keep their house.... Not that it s alot to ask but honestly dont you think the amount you pay to UO/EA covers that?
    I mean we all pay to play and that includes owning a house. Its paid for. Why should anyone have to "PROVE IT".

    OK kiddies you have made this little old lady rather miffed and its not good.
    Bad enough I am dropping houses these days and shutting down accounts as we speak... I am getting tired of the fustrations an arguments.
    1 tower and 1 keep gone so far...
     
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    No offense Lady Storm but why do reference the amount of accounts you supposedly own EVERY time you post?
     
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    I personally do not care who owns what or how long they have owned a home or whatever. I was only stating facts that I know. When they shut the servers down one day and none of us can log in, no one will have to worry about who owns what then.
     
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    If the account is paid for they can do whatever the heck they want with their houses. Enough said...
     
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    *starts passing out the pitchforks and the torches* Lets hit Luna 1st if they don't drop the houses will poke them with pitchforks, and use the torches to burn their houses down.
    This is the first thing that came to me when I started to read this thread.
    But seriously just don't assume someone doesn't play because you never see them on at the time your on. I never seen my neighbor on for 12 years til one day she/he logged on in the afternoon that day I logged in to get some early decoing done. We just don't play at the same time.
     
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    My Point Exactly Lady Michelle!
    For 13 years there was a tiny little house parked in front of my tower in fel, odd placing but it was someones home... never saw the person till one day i happen to pop in and bumped into the guy. He was quitting. His play hours were sporatic as he was a big city firefighter and could only log in between calls or at home which he devoted his time at home to his kids and wife... He was finding it harder to find time to give to a game not just UO, so he decided to quit and I understood his point.
    We forget not all of us are 9 to 5 jobs and monday thru friday people.. Work, family and life in general put players of UO at odds with the clock. I for one am west coast.. thats 3 hours difference from my friends in the east 6 or more for my european friends and depending on the month over 8 hours to my asian/oceanic friends... Some times there inst enough of me to go around the clock to play with them all. Houses in UO may look empty an unused, and as Lady Michelle said the first thing that crossed my mind was how those who were ready to stir the pot of greed and averise would surplant the rights of others... just cause they didnt go in for keeping a vendor in Luna... or show their nose when they did... that their hose must be forfet...
    No where in the Luna house Placement menu does it say you MUST have vendors or have your home public.

    Times have changed greatly sense 97, so have fortunes in life. Some have died, married, had children, others driffed off to bigger things then online games...
    My point is this:
    If you dont see a home owner dont jump to that conclusion that its abandoned... unloved... or a bugged home.
    Take the time to walk in that persons shoes... so to speak... would you want someone to goad the dev to drop your home in game caue you didnt show up when the coveting party wanted? Just because your home didnt LOOK like you played anymore?
     
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  34. claudia-fjp

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    This thread is titled Dormant Luna Houses, not Lets Take Away Paying Players Houses! The FACT is houses have gotten bugged many many times in UO's history. MANY. This is an undisputed FACT. Times have changed greatly since 98 but some houses in UO haven't changed at all since then. Not everyone has over 50 accounts they can never actively play. I would say you are vastly in the minority. I'm pretty sure if someone is keeping their house in the state people kept their homes before private housing even existed just in case their house keys get stolen and no items are newer than Trammel it's a pretty safe bet the damn things bugged.

    As for discussing bugged housing I'll never understand the people who speak out against those who do. We were right about the Return to Brit houses and if we hadn't kept discussing it and actively trying to get it fixed they would still be all over the place. Many many CURRENT PAYING players who have wanted to own a castle for over a decade wouldn't be living in them today if they hadn't been fixed.

    Me personally? I'm on the side of people who still support the game. Not the side of the bugs or people who quit long ago and care not one bit about their bugged house in a game they'll never play again. I suspect they are still fixing some bugged housing. We've had several recently that just screamed as being bugged fall so I do think they are still doing some cleanup behind the scenes.
     
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    So, what? The Luna houses that aren't filled with vendors and with the owners never being seen while you're playing must be bugged?
     
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    As a matter of fact, yes, they have to be bugged.

    It would be funny, if there is another forum, where the house owners of the so-called bugged houses create the very same thread because of "our" houses.
    That reminds me of the classic stereotype sitcom, where you have a couch in the middle of the screen, and each on the left and right side a door. Guy A leaves the scene through right door. A millisecond later, Guy B comes in through the left door. Laughter.
     
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    No, no where in my post did I even allude to that being the case, that would be the all or nothing arguement the other side is making. I'm sure many if not most luna house without vendors and MIA owners are in fact current active accounts. To me them having vendors or not doesn't even factor into if they are bugged or not. However I do think SOME luna houses very well are bugged. To say all houses are bugged is just as rediculous as saying none are.
     
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    I read Claudia-ftp 's post and saw no sign of her advocating all were bugged. As a matter of fact while we are there Before there ever was a Luna we had Brit bank as the center of player bank sitting.. and vendors were far and wide over the lands of UO.... No where in the publish was it stated Luna was now the center of commerce and thou shalt not have private houseing with in its protective square.
    Dormant houseing .... i take it as meaning no one has seen the owner and it looks unused.
    Abandoned houseing.... is a house that apears to be vacant and ownerless
    RTB housing .... Bugged houseing as the title says retuned players placements that do not decay.

    I myself have sent and given runes to the powers that be on quite a few RTB's, for review on many of these homes across UO.
    Few I have watched them decay and poof... others are still in limbo..
    I give the Dev leeway as we all know their time is not their own and other work comes up more important then a few small houses that can wait...

    As for houses that look Abandoned........ (btw I only use my account #'s and house holdings as reference to my understanding of the matters at hand) I myself have a few houses that well.. i see maybe 1 day a week ... they are small and hold extra stuff or are a single characters home... HOME, not business or storage.. its their home.
    Like Noah's tiny wooden house next to my tower in fel and his brothers who has his very same house in front. Noah is a musician....Bard if you will.... the house is on one of my oldest accounts.. its private and for my characters use. From the outside its plain and has not a new coat of paint in 16 years.... it will look abandoned... same with many other players homes...
    Now I dont expect people to be changing their house design every season or redoing the deco on a seasonal basis... some of us do others prefer a few bags on the floor and wa-la they have decoed it to their needs. Who am I to say other wise?
    Hell I still have a few castles to deco.. i tore them up just before christmas to redo and got sick mid stream...... so they look like hell.
    Would you say they are abandoned... by the terms of a few here yes but to me HELL NO.

    What some are saying quite frankly is if it looks UNUSED its got to go.... cause I want its spot.

    Claudia sugar your quite right to a point.... Many vendor houses in luna square are vacant... even the mighty Atlantic has a few that are LOOKING vacant. But are they?

    I own a few homes in luna on on a few shards... and no i do not have vendors but for 1... and thats cause they are my son's and its his house!
    does he play all the time ...no

    What i am trying to tell many who are willing to put their nose in others buisness is this.... You have no right to ask or demand the dev to tell you if the house/account in your inquirie is paid for and the owner is active.. that is none of your damn business period. It's called invasion of their privacy. This is not a rule just from the game but in rl too You do not have the rights to ask for this or even proof of any such. It violates the law and yes the law has basis in the game.

    I understand you feel you have rights to request the dev to "clean up " what is deemed bugged houses..
    In our recient past bugged and dead account houses fell for days... making the countryside look like we had a mass exodus! But it was nessasarry and I agree it was needed. More might be "bugged" but you want instant and these things take time... I assure you Mesanna has not forgotten nor the dev stopped to lolly gag around with this...

    But to point fingers at houses and declair them lost to the masses and buldozer is required to make way for new....
    *shakes head*
    Your not donald Trumph or mit romney and can because you have millions declair your boss and take what you want.... the law be damned...
    Sorry
    We the people of UO have rights... to privacy and peace of mind.
    Now get the hell off my lawn.....
     
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    People still dont get it.....please read...''dormant''....''bugged''...''will stand forever''.....unless the Devs restart dropping them...which i doubt they will after the absoloute Mass Panic last time...as well as the luna ones...theres many old classic l-shapes, log cabins, small stones houses, towers, keeps and yes !yes ! yes ! castles....that have simply never ever decayed....and wont decay unless the Devs restart the drop...[whatever]:next:
     
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  40. Crysta

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    Man this thread is makin' me feel guilty for not updating my decor more often..
     
  41. RockoNV

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    This thread reads like "rich people have problems too." 50 accounts * $10/mo = $500/mo * 12mo = 60,000 per year. That could build a lot of homes in non-industrialized poor countries.

    A person pays for a service and if that person does not like that service then they can drop that service.
     
  42. Lady Storm

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    I am nether rich nor beyond having problems... hehe just a retired by a stroke... not fun as you can imagine.
    This is not about how much i pay UO... its simple logic
    Just because a house may look unloved and abandoned or even vacant... does it give others the right to ask it be taken down even if the owner is paying for it?

    This is just what the posters who are advocating for the dev to "look into homes " they feel should be more visably used.

    Crysta... if this be the case every month change one seasonal item on your porch ... or this mob will take the bulldozer to it!!

    I for one know of a half dozen RTB houses still up and have sent in locations (x/y's) and i do understand some houses might be bugged and their accounts are beyond their 90 day retirement cycle... But to point your finger at a home and say to the dev "TEAR IT DOWN" or tell me if its owner plays and where, also have they been in it in the last month... is going beyond normal concern for bugged homes.

    Look if its a luna plot you want ..buy one ...hell i couldnt sell one of mine and have to let it go for a stupidly low price of 5mill cause the market is bad... i will tell you i paid for that same house 150 mill..... quite a few years ago.... and i know of many on shards that have been up forsale for months....

    otherwise... give the dev time to get back from christmas/newyears as i said before they are active in clean up... and not everything is bugged.
     
  43. syndael

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    Yes I play odd hours, its 3am my time I just got off work and I have beer and liquor still on me and need to shower.
    NO where in my first post did it say " THE EMS must drop these houses, or if it looks empty a GM needs to drop it. "
    I swear people read posts and then add to it what they want, so they can reply these ridiculous ides.
    All I was doing is venting the fact that some people have plots and never use them. No bags, no vendors, no walls, no floors just dirt. Taking up space was the main point of my post.

    but for people to come on and type out a freaking essay about law, privacy, rights and go on a loonie babbling something like a drunkin rampage about random well known public persons.... you totally didn't even get the meaning of my first post or didn't read it, and shouldn't of said anything, " You talk like a drunk man walks: in every direction but where he be headed:"

    1 in my first post did it say anywhere that I said, these houses should be dropped? ... No... ( now we are adding randoms quotes I never said. )
    2... you want to play 15 bucks to a month to keep a empty plot because you are greedy sure, go for it. its not my money your wasting and yes I will vent about it.
    3 by holding a highly wanted spot and not using it, your hurting a game we all love.


    last I think a couple people ran this thread into the ground by not reading the first post.

    like THP pointed out... did you even read the post ??? ( People still dont get it.....please read...''dormant''....''bugged''.) or did you change it too in your mind
    ( OMG UN-USED LUNA HOUSES EM"S DROP IT NOW!!! )

    I Think this thread got ran into the ground pretty quick, I personally consider it locked and it should be unless we want to go back to the main point "empty unused dirt plots. "
    Will translate into ( OMG UN-USED LUNA HOUSES EM DROP IT NOW ) by some....
     
  44. Warpig Inc

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    BINGO. Not all players have as much gold as the UO god. Or desire to be godly rich. I try to sell items affordable to new players. Buying to mark up or in the case of weapons and armor buying just to unravel. The new search system needs to have a month or two cool down on vendor purchased items. Untill they time out cannot be placed on a different vendor again. Don't want to loose the ability to pull and replace an item on same vendor at a marked down price. The new search will allow a very active player to make sure an item like a CC will never be less then 30 million. Still a deal compared to how many minax it takes to get alter art ones.

    Those with more then one account only use one house as a hub of operations. I have gone over a year and not stepped foot in my castle museum. Being nearly full and not into collecting as much lately. I drop in and may change out an item. Then there are those with a few accounts that are their own neighbor a few times over.
     
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  45. Leira of Asrai

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    Every account can play on any or all shards.

    Maybe your shard was that player's primary at one time too... Now maybe they transferred to another shard and are playing there for a while., not wanting to drop their house just to place there. Or maybe their second account placed there and they don't bother logging in on your shard.

    Doesn't mean the house is not on an inactive account.
     
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    Your post was read. However, it was rather ambiguous about what you really thought was going on. To me, your post reads as if you think they're bugged. But, you asked for everyone's thought on it and you got it. The general consensus appears to be that if they pay for the account, they can do whatever they want with the plot.
     
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    I think what tripped up most people was when you said "We could have a more people on here, but these people just pay to have a blank account that holds a house, where someone new to the game 1 will never get a plot here, or have to pay a large amount of money."

    When you say they PAY to just hold the empty house it implies that they are on an active account, not bugged. Most of the rest of us are just advocating that the bugged houses be delt with and that if someone is bothering to pay from them then they are off limits.
     
  48. Merus

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    I think the true confusion behind this discussion is not of our making, but of the game. While some may be frustrated by homes which occupy when some would deem "prime" real estate, I would imagine few if any would suggest any action against a house knowingly placed by a paid account.

    The true frustration, IMO, is that lack of confidence the player base has regarding bugged housing. Houses can become bugged for a variety of reasons... but when they are allowed to endure for years with no action to IDOC or delete them we get what we have today...

    IMO access to housing should be for paid accounts only. I am fine with the 90 day window of inactivity before a house begins its decay, but I think that house should become truly secure during that time... no access to the house or its contents by anyone. Furthermore, they should finish what they started and remove all of the old ownerless or otherwise bugged houses so that the only houses that remain are for paid accounts.
     
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    I could go for this, except that billing issues are happening too often. A player might content himself with a secondary account for a while, but access to the main house can be crucial.
     
  50. Lady Storm

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    This was a good point posting.. that grew into what it is.
    You say all you were commenting on... yada yada.. was how players just have vacant plots with no signs of life or use....
    This was a open ended post that gave way to the other issues in the same general catagory... and it bloomed big time.
    My Essays as you call them were to wake all up to the facts.
    Your state of mind when you posted might have left a few of your meaning floating in your head and not on the computer page..... drink, and being tired can do that to you....

    To simply answer your post as you think it means is this:
    1. player had time to place but real life entered the picture and they will come back to it when time permits... ie: Deployment in the military can do this long term. This might not be the answer to all plots of simular look. But you get the drift.
    2. player wanted to hold the spot for a friend who plays with them but as above is deployed.
    3. player has limited time and wanted a home on a second shard when they had time to play with friends who mainly play this shard and has not had time to "porperly" comit to the house design.

    For those who say "ooooo its bugged!" not always.

    Maybe not you dear but others have alterior motives for jumping on the open ended post you made.

    Momma here just wanted to put a tad bit of salt on the tails of these wild birds to keep them from making a bigger mess then nessasarry and driving the Dev nuts on wild goose chases.

    Paid for plots/accounts are none of our business. No one has rights to put their nose into how someone keeps their property.
     
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