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<Draconi> ...the next publish, which will roll in fixes for house scripting exploits.

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Guest, Feb 12, 2008.

  1. Guest

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    *ponders* I wonder what this will entail.
     
  2. My exact thoughts. What does it mean? How will it work to "make it fair to all players" as was said? Will it only cover part of the methods, or all of them? Will house placement be handled differently altogether?
     
  3. Guest

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    My guess... They just slightly change the housing interface and take the shards down real quick for a publish, when it comes back up... No scripts will work and you'll be able to place freely.
     
  4. Guest

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    Or does it refer to folks that script in a house?
     
  5. isnt it too late with most of the fallen houses to certain players all the time having already sold them for 1000s of us dollars multiple times.?
     
  6. "fixes for house scripting exploits"

    This insinuates more than just a simple change that can easily be adapted to by changing a line or 2 in a script.
     
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    Or does it refer to folks that script in a house?

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    LOL, that was exactly my other thought of it.

    Get off my brainwave! There's barely enough room for me. [​IMG]
     
  8. Guest

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    It will certainly be interesting to see what is planned.
     
  9. Guest

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    Words typed in a hurry can be rather vague at times. I will wait for some clarification and hope for the best.
     
  10. Guest

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    my hopes is at the least they somehow break a certain players insta fill and empty a thousand barrels at once script. That would be a good start.

    Then going to his house in rl and dragging him into the street for a puplic depantsing and march down main street while holding a sign saying I am a loser.
     
  11. uo addict

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    So where are the barrels in the burning houses? Perhaps a fix has been put in. The charcoal rocks all represent people who tried to place barrels?
     
  12. Guest

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    <blockquote><hr>

    *ponders* I wonder what this will entail.

    [/ QUOTE ]

    The one and only already took down his website. I can sense his fear!!

    House scripting is the scummiest of scum imo.
     
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    Or does it refer to folks that script in a house?

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    That's the same thing I thought when I read it, but...

    Context, Sir, Context. It doesn't make any sense that they'd hold off dropping the flames if the fix was only for players scripting in a house.
     
  14. Guest

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    <blockquote><hr>

    my hopes is at the least they somehow break a certain players insta fill and empty a thousand barrels at once script. That would be a good start.

    Then going to his house in rl and dragging him into the street for a puplic depantsing and march down main street while holding a sign saying I am a loser.

    [/ QUOTE ]

    hahaha
     
  15. Seems he's shown his face and is a bit overconfident imo...

    This quoted from sticky on front page:

    "But keep my icq# written down. I intend to have a few more nice houses for sale when this new publish rolls around. "


    Yep. Keep those positive thoughts flowing there bud...... [​IMG]
     
  16. Guest

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    Number 1
    Disable the housing tool so it cant be used while hidden.
    Number 2
    Disable the housing tool so it cant be used until 10 seconds after being hidden.
    Number 3
    Disable the housing tool so it cant sit open for more then 2 minutes.
    Number 4
    Change the housing tool to 25 uses. It will wear out.
    Number 5
    Change the housing tool so only 1 tool can be in a back pack.
    Number 6
    Add a delay of 1 day before you can use a housing tool, once you click a tool/tools 50 times in one day. Not place. Open.
     
  17. ^Wolfie^

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    I like alot of those ideas Raven. [​IMG]
     
  18. Tomas_Bryce

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    <blockquote><hr>

    isnt it too late with most of the fallen houses to certain players all the time having already sold them for 1000s of us dollars multiple times.?

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    You can use that whine for every single problem in life. Luckily most people look towards future than things already gone by.
     
  19. Guest

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    I like alot of those ideas Raven. [​IMG]

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    Well thanks Wolfie.
    I think its a good idea, and wouldnt hurt anyone, except for those honest legit players that enjoy clicking their tool all day.

    Hehe. Aside from that, it would slow scripters.
     
  20. Llewen

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    <blockquote><hr>

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    Or does it refer to folks that script in a house?

    [/ QUOTE ]

    That's the same thing I thought when I read it, but...

    Context, Sir, Context. It doesn't make any sense that they'd hold off dropping the flames if the fix was only for players scripting in a house.

    [/ QUOTE ]
    Yes, I'd have to agree that in the context he is talking about house placement scripts. Having an interesting conversation with Sarphus as to what that could entail. It will be interesting to see what they come up with.
     
  21. I seriously doubt they'll tell us what they're going to do. I think the idea is to have the change hit scripters like a thief in the night... a thief that burns houses down [​IMG]
     
  22. uo addict

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    Number 1
    Disable the housing tool so it cant be used while hidden.
    Number 2
    Disable the housing tool so it cant be used until 10 seconds after being hidden.
    Number 3
    Disable the housing tool so it cant sit open for more then 2 minutes.
    Number 4
    Change the housing tool to 25 uses. It will wear out.
    Number 5
    Change the housing tool so only 1 tool can be in a back pack.
    Number 6
    Add a delay of 1 day before you can use a housing tool, once you click a tool/tools 50 times in one day. Not place. Open.



    [/ QUOTE ]

    Nice.

    Perhaps Number 6 should apply to an IP address.

    To really lock it down though there should be a popup window with obfuscated random characters to type in.
     
  23. Guest

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    Anything will be a good thing to fight the blatant scripters!!!!

    Albeit housing place scripting or idoc loot scripting or inhouse skill scripting!!!
     
  24. Kith Kanan

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    Number 1
    Disable the housing tool so it cant be used while hidden.
    Number 2
    Disable the housing tool so it cant be used until 10 seconds after being hidden.
    Number 3
    Disable the housing tool so it cant sit open for more then 2 minutes.
    Number 4
    Change the housing tool to 25 uses. It will wear out.
    Number 5
    Change the housing tool so only 1 tool can be in a back pack.
    Number 6
    Add a delay of 1 day before you can use a housing tool, once you click a tool/tools 50 times in one day. Not place. Open.

    [/ QUOTE ]


    Hmmmm it would cost me a wee bit of gold but I guesse thats ok , I run with a tool on every toon to be able to check bank balance where ever I am..... ofc if our gold was stored on our toons instead... and that might eliminate the insurance bug also...
     
  25. Pink Dragoness

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    I dont think I have in 8 years recalled a time that I have felt so proud of a dev team that has taken such serious actions with humor for us to enjoy and reap the reward of giving the honest player back the true experience of the game.

    I have to say, Im lovin it!
     
  26. Guest

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    <blockquote><hr>

    I seriously doubt they'll tell us what they're going to do. I think the idea is to have the change hit scripters like a thief in the night... a thief that burns houses down [​IMG]

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    The one problem with stealth deployment is that the change may not be properly tested and have unexpected results. I am not saying I lack faith in the QA team, but .............
     
  27. Guest

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    Hail: I think the whole housing system should be changed. No more placement tool at all. EA should put down the houses in the area's they want then to be in. The house sign becomes the interface to buy it with. Your current house would not be affected, but the interface would go into effect on your sign.

    This means the foundation/house size would never change. Only the way you would decorate it would change. Once the timer has expired, and the house would go into IDOC, as it does now, would be replaced with the sign going into the default brown color, and saying 4-sale.

    There would be no decay warning at all. One day that 18x18 is there, and the next it just says 4-sale. At that moment in time, every item in the house is released from lock down. Now everyone has the exact same chance to get a bigger or better house. imhop.
     
  28. Flanuva101

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    Look on the bright side, with Draconi getting rid of all the scripters and hopefully the scripting programs as well, there wont be any need to beat the "change the way the whole idocs thing works" horse anymore.

    Timers, placement tool changes, and everything else that was brought up about placement, wont be needed since there wont be any script programs out there to run the placement scripts. Therefore, everyone will have a fair chance at placing [​IMG]...I love that idea
     
  29. I like being able to buy a couple houses then drop them to a larger property so static housing is kinda boring to me.

    I have a proposal tho:

    My proposal will not work well unless it is instituted that free accounts cannot have houses. Under 30 days with a PAID account can be part of it. So if you are a newbie and you want a house, you have to pay the first month, not so big a hardship.

    To be fair to people trying to place, when the house falls, have all the loot fall as it does now and anyone with a qualifying account within 15 tiles of the old house sign gets a gump asking if you want the property, they have three seconds to click YES meaning they have to be on the ball and paying attention (This will limit how many alternate accounts a person could ahve on site as well because you'd never have time to have them all select the option- YES, someone could script it but I'd hope we have some any scripting running as well).

    Then the house is assigned randomly. Have it so you can only do this once every X number of days per account, 30, 60... I don't know.

    When the lottery is over, the footprint comes back and the loot is pushed under the sign, just like now.

    If you win, you get the bare lot exactly the size and shape as before or if it was a classic house, you get the classic floorplan. You can then drop it or resize it later, just like now.
     
  30. Unfortunately, there is no real fair housing possible with the current system even with scripting removed. So much is based on connection and lag. I live in a more rural setting and my options for internet are few. I don't think I would ever beat someone placing.

    Things in life aren't always fair, I know that, but please don't think that removing scripts makes it a level playing field as it really isn't.
     
  31. NB-Cats

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    Then it will be even more interested to see if your guildmate JC, who's job is to place at IDOCs, still gets them all.
     
  32. Sellingahouse

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    "Number 1
    Disable the housing tool so it cant be used while hidden.
    Number 2
    Disable the housing tool so it cant be used until 10 seconds after being hidden.
    Number 3
    Disable the housing tool so it cant sit open for more then 2 minutes.
    Number 4
    Change the housing tool to 25 uses. It will wear out.
    Number 5
    Change the housing tool so only 1 tool can be in a back pack.
    Number 6
    Add a delay of 1 day before you can use a housing tool, once you click a tool/tools 50 times in one day. Not place. Open. "

    1. What is wrong with hidding? If I dont hide everything wants to kill me.

    5. I have more than one, sometimes one "breaks" and I have to restart UO for it
    to work again. I also carry tools to give out to players to help them place
    a house.

    6. Im not sure what this is but I click that tool more than 50 times in a day. I
    think a keep or a castle might just fit on fire somewhere. Go try to place one
    50 times will go by fast.

    Doesnt everyone go out and look for house plots, just for fun not to place?
     
  33. NB-Cats

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    Make house go IDOC.

    Once timer is over, items are released and house sign becomes an auction panel.

    Best bidder wins the house over a 1 week period. Find a way to accept bids over 125 mil.

    IDOCs become gold sinks and scripting is obsolete.

    Has it's pros and cons of course...
     
  34. Guest

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    <blockquote><hr>

    *ponders* I wonder what this will entail.

    [/ QUOTE ]
    Some clarifications:
    <ul>[*]The next publish (after Valentine's) will have features related to house plots, including some fun things and long awaited bug fixes to combat scripting house placement[*]Until then, the flaming rubble will remain, and the house plots you see there will not be placeable[*]Do not mess with our new designer, Adida - she has serious skills[/list]
     
  35. <blockquote><hr>

    Do not mess with our new designer, Adida - she has serious skills


    [/ QUOTE ]

    Scary , very scary thought..Your team should be renamed Team Destruction.. [​IMG]
     
  36. Guest

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    <blockquote><hr>

    "Number 1
    Disable the housing tool so it cant be used while hidden.
    Number 2
    Disable the housing tool so it cant be used until 10 seconds after being hidden.
    Number 3
    Disable the housing tool so it cant sit open for more then 2 minutes.
    Number 4
    Change the housing tool to 25 uses. It will wear out.
    Number 5
    Change the housing tool so only 1 tool can be in a back pack.
    Number 6
    Add a delay of 1 day before you can use a housing tool, once you click a tool/tools 50 times in one day. Not place. Open. "

    1. What is wrong with hidding? If I dont hide everything wants to kill me.

    5. I have more than one, sometimes one "breaks" and I have to restart UO for it
    to work again. I also carry tools to give out to players to help them place
    a house.

    6. Im not sure what this is but I click that tool more than 50 times in a day. I
    think a keep or a castle might just fit on fire somewhere. Go try to place one
    50 times will go by fast.

    Doesnt everyone go out and look for house plots, just for fun not to place?

    [/ QUOTE ]

    Well you know the drill. A legit player is always burned. But in the long run the ideas are good. Make it 100 times. Where you trying to place a house, you cant run off monsters and invis and walk back to plot? Come on you dont need to hide.
     
  37. Guest

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    Looks like one of those guys is challenging your ability to combat the house scripting problem in the other live thread, Id take that as a personal challenge.

    Ill be pulling for ya Big Daddy D!!!! [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  38. <blockquote><hr>

    <ul>[*]Do not mess with our new designer, Adida - she has serious skills[/list]

    [/ QUOTE ]

    How so? Design Skills? Along what lines?

    - Logical Problem Solving?
    - Specific Programming Language?
    - Good with Wombat?
    - Ability to call down a mighty firey blaze of death to all who invoke her name?
    - All the above?

    Quantify, man! No more vagueness. [​IMG]
     
  39. Flanuva101

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    Unfortunately, there is no real fair housing possible with the current system even with scripting removed. So much is based on connection and lag. I live in a more rural setting and my options for internet are few. I don't think I would ever beat someone placing.

    Things in life aren't always fair, I know that, but please don't think that removing scripts makes it a level playing field as it really isn't.

    [/ QUOTE ]

    This isnt neccesarily what you are asking for but i can see it coming from others..

    Internet connection is a big thing at idocs, however, i dont have the best machine to run Doom or do Mel, but i do them anyway and try. I lag quite a bit. Sorry, but if you look at it from the game side of it, it does level the playing field when you have no scripts or any other non-approved third party program running. As far as the internet problem....like I said, I have a relatively slow comp so I cant do all the things I want to do in game, but others with the same problems in game as i do, dont go around asking for only a certain amount of people in Doom or Mel at the same time so we dont lose connection every 30 seconds.

    Do what you can in game and enjoy what you can do. But, dont go around and ask for changes just to suit your personal needs.
     
  40. Guest

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    *pokes Adida with a pink rabbit's foot*
     
  41. Llewen

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    <blockquote><hr>

    Hail: I think the whole housing system should be changed. No more placement tool at all. EA should put down the houses in the area's they want then to be in. The house sign becomes the interface to buy it with. Your current house would not be affected, but the interface would go into effect on your sign.

    This means the foundation/house size would never change. Only the way you would decorate it would change. Once the timer has expired, and the house would go into IDOC, as it does now, would be replaced with the sign going into the default brown color, and saying 4-sale.

    There would be no decay warning at all. One day that 18x18 is there, and the next it just says 4-sale. At that moment in time, every item in the house is released from lock down. Now everyone has the exact same chance to get a bigger or better house. imhop.

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    I like these ideas. I proposed, over six years ago, back when the OSI had their own forums, that there be several kinds of housing. You should be able to "rent" rooms and shops in inns and in towns. As long as you pay the rent the place is yours and you can store stuff there. If it is an inn you can't place furniture, you can only use the storage there. If it is a shop or a house you can decorate it as you could any house, but you can't make physical changes to the building.

    Then there should be more cities laid out like Luna, where you have roads and you can place in specific areas designed to hold housing. I have always hated the wild areas in UO plugged up with housing. And you should have to pay taxes for your housing if you aren't paying rent.

    There should be specific spots in the wilderness areas large enough for castles, keeps and towers, and only those buildings can be placed there. For the most part however you shouldn't be able to place in wilderness areas, and for the wilderness areas you can place in, you shouldn't have to pay taxes, but you should have to pay for guards to guard your castle, keep or tower.
     
  42. Guest

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    Skylark has a new siggie for you, have a look on siege board [​IMG]
     
  43. Kith Kanan

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    *pokes Adida with a pink rabbit's foot*

    [/ QUOTE ]

    ARE YOU INSANE !!!!! You might lose the hand ... or worse !!!!!!!

    " rub's his lucky elefants ear , whilst knocking his head against wood "
     
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    But, dont go around and ask for changes just to suit your personal needs.

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    I was responding to the notion that removing scripts creates fairness when it really does not. And about the personal thing, let me ask you. Why not? Why can't I ask for changes that would benefit me when the system now is not fair? If I'm not going to ask for something to make the play fairer to me, then why bother? Just because you disagree, don't tell me what to do, just disagree and move on. Just because you disagree with me does not make you right nor does it mean you can go at me. No one made you the moderator and nothing I said warrants an aggressive and bossy reply from you.

    I maintain that on an internet game, where connection speed is a huge part of the playing field, there can be nothing "fair" until connection speed is taken into account. If you want to discuss, that's fine but keep your directives to me out of it.

    One thing I hate on these boards is how people can't discuss anything without getting personal. Doesn't anyone have any manners anymore? Sheesh.
     
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    <blockquote><hr>

    Then it will be even more interested to see if your guildmate JC, who's job is to place at IDOCs, still gets them all.

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    It would be even more interesting if they fixed champ spawn cams. Perhaps also leeching HP and Mana from pets. Or perhaps the speedhacks. Or even ban all the scripters and dupers who feed their goods to brokers.

    I would personally find that quite interesting.
     
  46. Flanuva101

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    <blockquote><hr>

    <blockquote><hr>

    But, dont go around and ask for changes just to suit your personal needs.

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    I was responding to the notion that removing scripts creates fairness when it really does not. And about the personal thing, let me ask you. Why not? Why can't I ask for changes that would benefit me when the system now is not fair? If I'm not going to ask for something to make the play fairer to me, then why bother? Just because you disagree, don't tell me what to do, just disagree and move on. Just because you disagree with me does not make you right nor does it mean you can go at me. No one made you the moderator and nothing I said warrants an aggressive and bossy reply from you.

    I maintain that on an internet game, where connection speed is a huge part of the playing field, there can be nothing "fair" until connection speed is taken into account. If you want to discuss, that's fine but keep your directives to me out of it.

    One thing I hate on these boards is how people can't discuss anything without getting personal. Doesn't anyone have any manners anymore? Sheesh.

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    For one thing, I wasnt making anything personal. I was responding to what you said. You can ask all you want, that is your right. I was just giving my opinion on what you were saying. Secondly, getting rid of the cheats will make the game fair for everyone across the board. Connection is important in every game and in every facet of UO. There will always be someone who has a better connection or better computer. I can live with that. I do things in game that I enjoy and what I can do without all the lag. Get a better comp, change shards or do whatever it takes then to make yourself happy.

    It wasnt a personal attack at all. It was just replying to your comments. AND as a side note, A member of my team lives in the middle of nowhere, is on dial-up and still places at idocs without scripting. It can be done if you dont give up so easily. I and everyone else have wanted the scripters taken care of for a long time now. Finally, they are listening to the mass about the cheats and getting rid of them. It will make the whole UO experience better and FAIR for EVERYONE.