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Duels in houses after Pub 80 not possible, please fix it

Discussion in 'UHall' started by FrejaSP, Jan 20, 2013.

  1. FrejaSP

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    I don't understand this changes, we have several houses made for duels, now only guild and allies can fight in a house.
    Why this changes, if dueling a guy not in guild, the attacker get kicked out of the house, even if it is your own house.

    Please fix it so we again can duel/sparre in houses, if people want to be safe they can secure house with teleporters or set house to private.

    Or make an option on sign, where you can allow fights in house or disallow it, if that what you want.

    Also, why do I get kicked from my own house, if someone entre it and I attack him. It even leave this uninvited guy in my house.
    I understand if I attack someone outside, that I get kicked to fight him, but he could just leave my place
     
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  2. Winker

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    we dont want a fix! PvP should never be done from inside a house. There were too many people using hosues to hide in and take pot shots at people outside.

    Use Jeholm farms for duels like everyone else or if you must fight in a house guild everyone up.
     
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    If you want a duel with no outside interference go to the Arena... that's what it's there for.
     
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    Siege want a fix, also if you attack someone in your own house, you get kicked out of your house.
    I don't care about Trammel, but Siege
     
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    Then only kick players who attack someone outside the house, not if both are inside.
    Please keep trammel code off Siege, we don't need it, have already got to much of it.

    Why, we have houses customized for duels /sparring and two enemies may very well choose to duel or do some sparring.
    Give Siege it's freedom back, we don't need the system to babysit us
     
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    Ah Freja you are soon in for a Bunch of new uselesss players when everyone will be able to have a house on siege and a prodo shard. I HOPE they implement a way so that only if you play on siege that houses can be used there. It will be sad when it become a place were the losers in the home selling guilds just barage the shard and by up places just for resale.

    Make it so you have to be on the shard for so many days in a row before you can place a house and have to be at you house so many times in a week to keep it from decaying.
     
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    That's not what this thread is about
     
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    Whats wrong with guilding up those who want to house duel? Then as CovenantX said there are Arena's to duel in and if you want team field dueling then there is the farms.

    I dont care what you do on Siege, if you boys like to house fight over there well thats you own fight, but the probo shards dont want or need people hiding in houses and trying to use them as a shield while they take pot shots at people from inside them
     
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    Unfortunately i have to disagree. I agree with other posters about duelling in the arenas, that's what they are for. I can not think of 1instance where i would attack someone first before i removed them from my house. Then simply fight outside. I can only think of one instance that would get the house owner kicked out (and i think it's been fixed) is if the attacker is wearing a 100% reflect damage suit
    . Similar to how people were guardwhacking others with reflect suits.
     
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    I remind you once again Freja, Siege does not want a fix. Only you.
     
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    This isn't trammel coding, its designed to stop house fighting.
     
  12. FrejaSP

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    They are already in a guild.

    I dont care what you do on Siege, if you boys like to house fight over there well thats you own fight, but the probo shards dont want or need people hiding in houses and trying to use them as a shield while they take pot shots at people from inside them[/quote]

    Maybe it's your guys who are boys, you can keep your trammel code on prodo, just remove it from Siege, and remove this stupid looting rules too and give up back, grey if looting something you did not have looting right too.
    Keep your sandbox with a babysitting system on Prodo
     
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    You can't even go in a public house and kill someone now, it make no sense to me.
    You shoild be able to sneak in a house and kill someone, if they are to slow to close the door
     
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    Then call it babysitter system.
    Make house public and all doors and teleporters anyone for 2 min if someone attack from inside a house and target is outside, there must be better ways
     
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    If you don't want to fight someone hidind in their house, then leave the house and they get no fight
     
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    I do think it's kinda silly this is happening, but I like that it's invalidating about 40% of the L337 PVP templates floating around yew gate according to general chat. (At least when I still playing). Honestly all snarkiness aside, house fighting on some shards is pretty frustrating, as well as picking a fight with a boat hopper. It's along the same lines as not being able to recall or gate from a fight, and while I can see Freja's problem with it and perhaps Siege's problem with it, it does suck that you can't duel people in a house without first guilding them. There are some "duel" pits in people's houses; where they do (or) did ladder matches with various prizes. And probably not the most "in" thing to do, they did exist and it was cool to help set up for or watch.
     
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    Yes you can, once you start the atack you just cant move. So you can still sneak up and kill some one. You just cant house fight like a little girl
     
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    I did never "housefight" in the bad way, I would leave house to fight or stay inside and not fight, just like I would never try to get anyone guardkilled, I'm not a kid.
    Also if someone want to fight from inside the house, I would just leave.

    Sorry I'm very angry but I hate this kind of code. Kill and loot this house hidders, punishe them.
    Oh I forgot, you have item insurance.

    One more reason, Trammy code should not be added to Siege without we have a say, our shard is different.
     
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    Its not trammel code its felucca code. You cant just attack anyone from a house in Trammel, learn to play
     
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    Maybe you didnt but a lot of people did, and it sucked. Yew gate was the worst.
     
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    It's trammy shard code, Siege is not Felucca, it's Siege!
     
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    I still believe it's mainly a Prode shard problem, on Siege we can punishe the kids.
     
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    Arguing with one another is not going to change the code for Siege. It is a good change for most Pvpers... on most shards.
     
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    Really? Siege Really? I thought Siege was a PvP shard not a house hiding shard. Learn to pvp instead of house hiding
     
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    The developers put Arena in for a reason. If they just went back to want you are wanting then their work was for not. The community asked for a system and Arenas was the answer from the devs.

    I agree with Winker how especially at yew gate and how house fighting was a nightmare. You may want the old system back Freja but you are also been promoting SP and if you do get a surge in population and house fighting was allowed again then SP is not the shard for it. With Fel rules on all facets it would be a headache anywhere. Thats one thing I definetly don't miss is house fighting.


    The old tournament days like Friday Night fights held on Cats was great. Was held inside and outside of te house. Usually great events and everybody got along but you always had one group that would raid. Funny how everybody would band together that was common enemies at most times and fight back this group. I know this group hates house fighting because they would hide in their house and my sw chiv archer and pixies would destroy them because they way the designed their house. I truly know and understand what you are asking for but many would abuse the system if it was back in place.
     
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    I just find, it was wrong adding it to Siege, it don't belong on Siege, Siege is more than Felucca and not just PvP. Every babysitting rule destroy game play and Roleplay
     
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    This is a concern of mine.
     
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    That is a downside. But 99% of the people don't use doors to get into their home or they have a teleporter.

    I dont see it being a big deal. You miss out on sneakin in and killin people in their home, but thats rare to happen anyways. Better now that people cant house hide.
     
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    That's not true. I remember you and a bunch of reds kept hiding inside a keep because I was killing you all. YOU and the other three reds kept running out of the keep trying to kill me then I would red line you all in just a few seconds and you would run back into the keep. I know it was you, Nadal, and some others...
     
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    I truly understand your point. I am trying the best way to say it with out offending your point of view but look at it this way. You play Siege and others do. Not all but some. Now think how most prodo shard players who dont think like you do and would take full advantage of it if they came over to Siege. I don't think you would like it if it was allowed on Siege only if you would see how it changes PvP. House fighting was a serious problem. Yew gte was like ZOMG! when you got bombared by a hiouse you was going by. Chasing someone and they get in their house at the last second and survive was not fun either.

    Like I said, I understand your view on it and I can see why you would want it. Just look at the over all picture not all think like you and even though it sounds good it may not be that good if it did happen is all I am saying.
     
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    But it was not us who started the fight. Yes there may have been some who run in to heal, Anyway, we still had fun and it may have been one of the few times I had run back to house after being invited to a fight.
     
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    I rest my case :facepalm:
     
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    So do I, sorry for my temper.
     
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    It may be a day or so before anyone from Mythic sees this thread anyway.
     
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    Monday is a US holiday so probably Tuesday :)
     
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    Here's a better solution - allow attacks inside houses to occur without kicking anyone out of the house. Instead, make it an LOS issue to attack anyone outside a house. This would probably leave some AOE attacks that could hit people outside the house, but I'd say let's live with it for a bit and see the impact before trying to bork those spells.
     
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    So has long as I'm in my fel home, and have it set to public a red comes in he cannot attack me? I will be able to say NEENIER NEENIER can't kill me?
     
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    I understand why they made these changes. But it does suck for instance for those that want to hold duels/fight nights in their houses. Now it sounds like that isn;t possible. But I guess there is always the arenas..not as cool but whatever. I doubt anything is going to be changed just especially for Siege so its probably best to just adapt.
     
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    Duel in arenas and think of another reason why house hiding was ok..it always sucked and it's good it's gone..
     
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    So if I've got this right, I can set my door security on Siege to anyone and no one can waltz in now and do my hide in? Just clean out my pack?

    Or can an archer come in, stand in one spot, and pick me off as I run for an upstairs teleporter after his first shot?

    If I have Magic Reflection up and get hit by a spell, the PKer can use this to boot me outside and prevent me from running back into my house to avoid getting dirtnapped? Almost sounds like an exploit.
     
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    I agree with FrejaSP - I attacked a pet by accident in my house and got kicked outside. Guess i need to start my own guild.
     
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    As Siege player I agree with Freja. We need this fix for Siege. Its really bad for our beloved true-sanbox server. Siege has its own atmosphere and such restrictions corrupt it.
     
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    I tested this a few times, and having magic reflect up does not boot you out of your house. just the attacker. I would be willing to bet RPD would though. If i had any RPD armor I'd check it for you.
     
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    I really feel, it had been easier, just to tell the PvP'er just to leave the areal around the house. Let the house hiders sit in their house. If they want to fight, they will have to move away from their houses.
    I don't see this will make much diff, if you attack someone near their house or in their house, they can still defend them self from the house as long they are not the one flaged?
    And you can still kill easy targets in a house as long you don't move.
    I had been on Siege sinse first day, I never wanted this change, I never wanted private houses, I never wanted the old auto kick rule, I never wanted the looting rules, I just want people to be grey, if they don't have looting rights, I don't want the benefite rules, where you can't rez /heal your enemy after the fight.
    How did we manages to have alot of fun before all this badysitting rules? I remember we did have fun, when Siege was young.

    I don't like it and don't think I ever will as it hurt events and RP
     
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    It makes a huge difference and that's why it's put in. It's about 12 years later than most people would have liked but at least it's finally here. I've been saying for a while this needed to be put in. Better late than never, and boy are we glad!
     
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    That's all fine as long we speak on prodo shards, I only want it removed from Siege together with all the other prodo shards babysitting rules.
    I like freedom and player justice instead of alot limits to the gameplay. That's why I did choose Siege, to get away from the worse of this kind of rules, perm stat loss, it was never added to Siege and non of that kind belong on Siege
     
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    I wouldn't want this on production though I figure we may have no choice :(

    Really, nobody has to justify what they want to do in their own house or that of their guild/RP town. If we're not house hiding, then it doesn't affect a single PvPer on our shard. Except when they want to disrupt an event and can't ;) I've always preferred having my own building to spar or run events because ultimately you have much more control of who comes and goes and the setup you want.

    I was at the tourney the other night on Europa and it's a good arena for some things, but I wouldn't have used it unless I wanted a big old PvP contest. Even then, if your home is a guild or RP town base then you want events in that location not some remote arena. Or you'll spend most of the night gating people back and forth. If you've tried running a RP area, you know the importance of having that extra bit of control. People use houses in Fel for a lot more than cowardice lol.

    Siege will still have RPers just as Europa still has some old Fel RPers. "Use the arena" just doesn't cut it.

    I'm amazed folk still don't know how to deal with house hiders without a dev intervention like this. Either you can kill them before they reach safety, stop them getting into their house or you let them play home alone while you fight elsewhere. Maybe you could ask them to duel you at the arena heh. But it shouldn't affect anyone just using their house or guild base for legit activities. A more specific fix for house hiding is fine, but this is too broad.

    Wenchy
     
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    Looks like Siege is no longer the shard for you. It may be time to move on if you "never wanted this change, You never wanted private houses, you never wanted the old auto kick rule, you never wanted the looting rules, you don't want the benefite rules"

    Reminds me of my kids when they were young, I want, I want, I want. Oh wait a min they still say that! Its just bigger things they want now...
     
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    I will fight for my shard. The sad thing is, Siege is very far from the dangerous shard it was in the past. It's so much easier for Devs just to add it all to Siege too.
    If I had a say, faction would be gone from Siege too and the virtue too as it only works for blue.
    But I do know, not all agree with me, I also know, some had got use to Siege being a very safe place. Even when I love customizing houses, I don't think secure setting on teleporters was a good thing.
    If Siege was more Siege Perilous, maybe more would play.

    I'm not saying I want, I want, I'm trying to say no thanks to thing I don't want, I want my freedom back :p
     
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    Not a good idea.

    If every PKing Tom, ****, & Harry could get into my shop and kill Landreu every time the whim struck them, which from chat & forums, is clearly all the time, leaving me running around in black & white and unable to keep my vendors stocked, I'd be gone back to Chessie.

    I'm here on Siege to craft things for people, not be endlessly running to the Zento healer shop for a rezz.
     
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