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Dungeon Fishing

Discussion in 'UHall' started by GarthGrey, Sep 21, 2013.

  1. GarthGrey

    GarthGrey Crazed Zealot
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    I posted this to Ask the Devs, but thought I'd put it here too.

    Why is it that Ilsh overland is considered a dungeon when it comes to mining for Niter/ Saltpeter, but the water isn't when it comes to fishing for dungeon fish ? Doesn't really seem fair. Just curious what the reasoning was behind it.

    Thank you
     
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  2. GarthGrey

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    I guess if this were about Drops, or Gifts, or Shard Shields..others would care too. Oh well...
     
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    Moldy Fishmonger Adventurer

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    I would love more dungeon fishing spots but I was always under the impression that salt peter mining in Ilsh was not intended (at least initially)
     
  4. Speranza

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    Or maybe nobody knows? You don't have to be all passive aggressive about it. It could simply be an oversight or just never explained. For example, why is there a locked down ogre corpse in Serpent Hold? Nobody knows, it's just there!
     
  5. weins201

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    Hum maybe because ITS IS OVERLAND and the mining was added there as a bonus, AND NO ONE CARE get over it, or do you want to get dungeon fish easier
     
  6. Warpig Inc

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    Gets no easier then fishing in the Ilsh mushroom cave. Can squeeze in 15 crab traps also.

    WHat dungeons need is some piers and/or rowboat use. Trapping sucks and the Doom fishing is one example of wasted waters for trapping and casting. I like killing two parrot fish with one stone when I play.
     
  7. Kylie Kinslayer

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    They could always make us have to pay Chyloth a gold skull to put that little row boat in his water. Of course along with that make a timer to where the thing sinks if someone has not refreshed it after 15 minutes.
     
  8. Adol

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    It's likely because each individual dungeon catches different Rare and Legendary fish and crabs and thus isn't identical. If you want just the Dungeon Fish etc, Mushroom cave has been mentioned, but Level 2 Shame and a number of other places (bridge to the Goblins in the Underworld, around the collapsed bridge before then in Underworld, the islands on Level 4 Shame where the wizard towers are, the Ice Dungeon Lake...) are fishable with zero or only minor spawn movements required. But if you want specific fish, you have to go specific places; Ilshenar has the Autumn (Rare) and Spring (Legendaries). And if you want to be a true Legendary Fisherman, you need to get into the habit of setting up quiet locations yourself. Ilshenar however doesn't have any rare Dungeon Crabs anyway.

    Also you posted at nearly 3am UK time, so a lot of us didn't respond because we were asleep.
     
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    The mushroom cave always wins. Never share the banks with a scripter. There loads of puddles in the dungeons, like Destard. Sometimes it is about filling the quest orders and not something new to hang on the wall. And if I can't trap and fish while they cook, not a good spot. There are some of us that klnows the RNG hate us so grinding in specific waters is not worth the time without bait. Cooking traps long enough to improve rare crabs and lobster catches is not smart play for a quester. Pretty sure the vendors that keep stocked of hundereds of crab and lobster aren't long cooking traps in some dark corner of Shame. Just like to see a Buc's Den like pier in the Doom dungeon area. Fishing dungeon fish, setting out nearly 70 traps and looting the corpse of the Lich Lord that tried to fish without a permit is the best time one can have with your pole in hand.

    Fish Pies factor. The pies I perfer to keep on hand are the easy areas to catch rares. Cost and easy travel to the NPC vendor make pies not worth the effort. Care less about rare catches most times. S**t happens at times so why not make pies
     
  10. Adol

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    No they aren't, that's kind of the point; if you don't care about Rare and Legendary Crustaceans it really, really doesn't matter where you lay the traps. I just put a row of 5x10 down in deep sea Trammel, then move my boat back over the top of the traps so I can pull them all up through the deck. If you're filling quests, you don't have to be in danger at all.

    If you're after Dungeon Fish, you can indeed do it in Shame. Leave a row of 2x traps on both sides of the banks and along the bridge. Then fish 5 or more spots along it, by the time you're done at the 5th the 1st has reset and you can keep the permanent fishing going. Just move the odd Mud Elemental away. The collapsed bridge in Underworld just north of the entrance has no spawn at all, and you can teleport onto the broken supports to fish different parts of the river.

    However combining the two slows down overall production rate, as you have to break from fishing to lay traps, and break from planting traps to start fishing again. And a trap also works the same spot as the rod, so you "fish out" the spot faster with 2 things drawing on it, thus splitting the total yield. It's more efficient to devote yourself to one or the other, and build your total stocks up that way.

    Fish steaks weigh much, much less than either the pies or the original fish, and will only take one Bag of Sending charge to send the lot to the bank. Fish steaks also are used for City Loyalty, so when I've been out chasing the Legendary I just made steaks of the lot, and pie them later if I want any.

    But back to the main question; Ilshenar also doesn't have dungeon fish in it's waters because it's not on the Dungeon server. Open UOAM or UOCartographer or UOMapper and you'll see it's not on the same hardware as even it's Mushroom Cave. It's just how the game is set up behind the scenes. They could change it so the waters spawn Dungeon Fish, but why bother? It wouldn't fit the in game lore, the design of dungeon fish, or the hardware standards...
     
  11. GarthGrey

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    Thank you all (except weins) for the replies, I should have added that i play Siege only, so most of your ideas simply won't work here, at least not for long ;)