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Dupe Detector 2.0 (Artifact Rarity 3)...

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Kafka72, Jan 21, 2009.

  1. Kafka72

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    ... EA should come up with some item like this in game. Gah, seems like dupers are worse than before!! I bought some Inquisitor's Resolutions off a Luna vendor tonight for 25 Mil. They had durability 212/212 so I thought "Hey these seem pretty legit, someone has got some use out of them!" Well directly underneath the pair I bought was another pair with durability of 17/213. What's the odds of that. Pretty obvious dupe there. Looks like there were originally two dupes on this vendor that at one time had 17/213 durability. One dupe got repaired, shaving a durability point off in the process making the 212/212 durability ones that I purchased. Would it be that hard to put something very common in the game that one could use on items, something that would give a simple reply back of "duped" or "not duped"... jeesh. Anyone else think that dupers seem to be worse than before, with all the server birth stuff that spawned the warning message on the UO patch screen? What the hell is with that message anyways, been there for weeks now!! It's like "Warning... dupes!!!... yep, dupes... uhhh huh, don't tell us we didn't warn you." Gah this game pisses me off anymore. Then I try to page a GM to check this vendor out, get the usual canned response to use "Physical harassment option and target the offending player" crap. When will anything change, jeesh!!
     
  2. Arch Magus

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    Who freakin cares anymore.
    What are you gonna do?
    If he's cheating (which you have no proof of at all) what difference does it make to you?

    I've found much better ways to spend my time in UO, other than trying to determine if someone has dupes on their vendor.
     
  3. Arch Magus

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    Yeah, the Suspicious Items message.

    That was about some dirty plates that people kept claiming were duped server births (people like you I assume).

    Turns out the plates could have been gotten by anybody and aren't dupes at all.

    go figure.
     
  4. Cear Dallben Dragon

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    yeah thats always the case too ..........................................
     
  5. Arch Magus

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    Sarcasm?

    And yes, I do know there are real dupes out there.
     
  6. damned1

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    Hmm! Inquisitor's a most highly saught after, and difficult to find trasure indeed. To find multiple pairs on a vendor could be very suspicous, unless you take into account they can be gotten by faction players (with better stats) relatively easy now.

    I know there is alot of less then honest players Sosaria these days but sometimes pixels are just pixels, and the answer is not fraudulent. Just saying!
     
  7. Alvinho

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    in the last few months i have managed to steal 3 pair and i just sit on them, since i hoarde things am i labeled a duper becasue i have multiple ir gloves, blades of the righteous, titans hammers, and zyronic claws?
     
  8. i Agree.
     
  9. Tazar

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    Maybe a new use for the Item ID skill?
     
  10. mbraud4

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    How often do IR spawn?
     
  11. Setnaffa

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    Considering it takes 5 accounts to get a Inquistors Resolution, I have to question your methods for getting and hording 3 of them. Didn't the other players feel like they deserved one of them?

    I spent a year trying to get one of the Level 10 Arties in DOOM only to be thwarted by Scripters who immediately pop in and grab the items as soon as they appear.
     
  12. Moreeg

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    Maybe Im missing some aspect of the harm that duping does, or maybe Im just coming from a position that not many people are in... namely, Im lucky to have 150k gold, dont have the time (or inclination?) to farm gold and wont buy gold.

    So to me, the whole "if it looks like too good of a deal, it probably is" is nonsense. If I see an item I want and by some twist of fate I can actually afford it, I buy it. I wouldnt know how to identify it as a dupe if it was, and frankly, I dont care that much. I buy it for myself, not to resell...

    The alternative seems to be that I either have nothing or start power gaming.

    (if I am missing some aspect of duping that damages game play, I apologize)
     
  13. It Lives

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    The problem is your selfish, and cant think past "I"
     
  14. Kayne.

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    In my opinion.....Cheaper inquiz for you.

    You KNOW EA wont ever find a perma fix for dupes.
    Move on.
     
  15. Phaen Grey

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    The real concern is when the people who purchase the dupes are banned for owning them, instead of the people making them. I wish there was a way to know for sure what I am buying is legit.
     
  16. I think the real problem is that we have gotten so absorbed with items in UO that no one seems to think too much about dropping 25 million, that's 25,000,000, on a pair of freaking gloves!

    This is just further evidence that the UO economy, at it's base, is driven by devalued gold, which is likely the product of duped bank checks.
     
  17. Kith Kanan

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    Are you daft ???? you wont say that when you had an account banned for buying stuff you thought was legit , but turned out it was not....
     
  18. Sephy

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    dupes are the bomb, you can enter cheat codes in other games why not uo??

    People shouldn't care, its a game after all, and some people don't wana waste years and all there time to get some of the best items in the came so they can actually compete. why should we? different play styles mean different things..

    I for one say allow dupers of items that have the same mods, like rares and artifacts but just make it impossible for normal items to do ( i know they cant ) noone will go out using an identical weapon to someone else with exact same mods, it screams duped from a mile away

    meh idc so long as I get one
     
  19. Moreeg

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    That is a ridiculous thing to say and it is very easy to pick one sentence to quote, take it out of context not to mention editing my sentence to suit your own response!!!, and make a silly statement like that.

    Im not a rares collector, I dont look for any items in particular, and I play with all "no name" equipment. But I happened upon a pair of glasses for 110,000 that everyone else had for 200,000 plus and bought them. According to the post, I am supposed to say no to these, because if its a good deal, its probably a dupe.

    And really, why not qualify your a**hole response rather than just act like a troll. I very plainly said that I dont know what harm dupes are doing to game play... so rather than troll, hy not explain. Im willing to listen, and if there was a legitimate reason, I would think different.

    I stay broke when I could spend a few dollars and just buy enough gold to make it so that I wouldnt need to buy a dupe (if I ever have anyway). But I think gold famers/sellers hurt the game, so I fluctuate between 40k gold and maybe 200k gold at the most because I dont want to contribute to what is going on, though I would imagine a great many people do buy gold, or else no one would bother to sell.
     
  20. Alvinho

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    i stated that I have 3 pair, the team I am with who we all take turn watching for them to spawn, each have a pair, and we all roll on them once a pair is won, we become inelegable until all on teh team have a pair and it recycles just like that, just a FYI on our process. what level 10 you watching for, you may be in teh wrong spot as the maps here are wrong on 2 of the items
     
  21. Static

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    i have 14 pairs of them i buy low and sell high..... does that mean i duped them... Im confused of the purpose of this post.

    So what you base your "dupe" opinion on is durability? im lost...
     
  22. It Lives

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    There, I quoted the entire thing, I still think your selfish.

    Yes, you are missing how duping affects the game, I called you selfish, for not seeing the bigger picture.. It may not cause you concern, you may not care sir, but there are people (many) that it directly damages and do care(legit players who want to compete for one).
     
  23. God_Majere

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    Please play siege perilous if you dont like dupes. we dont have any.
     
  24. Setnaffa

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    A bit ignorant. There is nothing about the dupe exploits that exclude them from Siege. Nothing can be transferred from another shard to Siege, but there's nothing stopping most past and present dupes from being executed on any shard, including Siege and Mugan.
     
  25. Moreeg

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    Thank you for making my greater point AND FOR ignoring the point of my last post in this thread.

    No, as I said (twice now) I dont understand how they affect the game or others. For that to be selfish, I would have to be ignoring the harm they cause, which I am not, since I am trying to find out the details of it. In the last post I said:

    But for the second time, instead of explaining it to me and possibly others who dont know, but dont want to ask for fear of people like you who troll every MMO forum laying in wait for someone to slip up, or make a typo or some opportunity to make yourself feel better, you just resort to insults.

    I VERY, VERY plainly said that I care, which is why I dont buy gold.

    I VERY, VERY plainly stated that I dont understand and twice asked for it to be explained.

    And you VERY, VERY plainly ignored (twice!) an opportunity to expand someones understanding of the situation and possible help the situation in favor of running your mouth so you can feel superior to me in your supposed reverence for the game dynamics, which you apparently dont care enough about to try and help a situation you claim is so damaging. You could easily turn someone who is out of the loop on this to your side, but it seems like that opportunity cant stack up to the chance to be admired as a wit on the internet.


    Unless your next reply is an attempt to explain why duping is damaging and possibly help this cause(which I have now twice asked and you decided to ignore in favor of trolling), I will no longer engage in "feeding the troll," which means our conversation will be over and I will consider you /ignore

    Sorry if this sets you off into being defensive, but I made an honest statement and asked a legitimate question, which did not deserve the abuse you responded with.
     
  26. daisuke

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    The only way to fix the dupes is to revise the way the origional items are gotten. It's Mythic's fault for making IRs spawn once per server every 30 days. This is an item every non wrestle mage in the game needs, if they have any idea how DCI works. It should, no, needs to be a regularly dropping doom artifact. Its ridiculous.


    But... if I were to complain about a dupe how about fixing the damn bod dupes by revising the whole confounded system which absolutely requires you to run 5 accounts scripting 24/7 for 4 years to get one filled valorite hammer bod to dupe? This whole system is F**ked in the head. The smith bod system, in my opinion, single handedly ruined the economy of UO, not gold check dupes. It forced people to spam the market with trillions of unwanted bod rewards and seek out new deed dupes, just at the prospect of maybe making a couple peices of usable armor per hammer.
     
  27. It Lives

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    1. Its cheating

    2. Their is NO excuse for cheating.

    3. It affects everyone in game even you.

    4. It affects the actions taken by the dev team....

    It takes up precious time the team has to make our game better.

    5 ....... ya the list is longer but I like short and sweet.


    Just because you see no wrong in duping does not make you right. Besides I rather assume your just playing ignorant, and troll you.
     
  28. GarthGrey

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    No, if you have all of those, you're a scripter...imo.
     
  29. In Flames

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    The way I understand it is, when you dupe an item, it should have the same ID as the original. So then a duped item needs to be Xfered in order to give it it's own new ID. Which would mean Siege would be dupe-free.

    But then again I'm not an expert on the or the game coding so I don't know how trustworthy that information could be.
     
  30. Moreeg

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    Again, you dont bother to explain why. You just list over and over that it is something that is wrong, not why. What is the problem that duping items causes. Why is it causing all of these problems?

    For the record, I dont think the glasses I got were a dupe, as I have seen those particular ones a few times now for near what I paid, and where I got them was just a guy with a vendor that had random things on it, not a mall vendor type.

    As for me trolling??? I came back to UO about a month ago after being gone since 2003. As of when I left, there was a period when bank check dupes happened, but it was all taken care of (at that point). I can understand duping money causing inflation, that makes sense. Im just trying to understand how an item affects things. Seriously.

    If anyone else would like to say, I would appreciate it, because In Flames seems resistant to saying... other than saying it is bad.
     
  31. Alvinho

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    All im seeing in that reply is sticks and stones. Anyoen who knows my chars on Great Lakes know that im as honest as honest comes, ingame and IRL, so much so when i was given 20 dollars extra i brought it to the young clerks attention and she corrected her mistake

    I guess im just lucky when it comes to running across them as the only thing i camp to watch are the gloves. All the others as a example use a database and mark spawn times, you learn the rate at which items spanw and if your lucky and meticilous you will see a pattern so you can make a good gustimation when the next item spawns, and knowing my ir gloves are legit i sell and have sold for 29-32 per pair
     
  32. Setnaffa

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    Nope. There might be some dupes like that, but I've seen the exact details of some of the fixed dupes and they did not require any transfer.

    I'm sure there is some database key somewhere that identifies each item, but the dupes I knew of basically allowed the duper to trick the client/server into creating an exact duplicate of an item. I don't want to get into any details, but suffice it to say, after the dupe, both the original and the counterfeit look 100% genuine to the server.