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Endless Trap Boxes

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Pan Arcane, Nov 28, 2009.

  1. Pan Arcane

    Pan Arcane Sage
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    Please get rid of these.

    If people want to carry 30 trap boxes, fine. Having an "endless" trap that does minimal damage is simply unbalanced, especially when mages carry resist (a full skill) on their templates to counteract paralyze.
     
  2. Pan Arcane

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    Or at the very least, put a 3-5 second timer on a trap box. People that want to resist paralyze should have to carry the skill (120 resist) on their templates. All of my dexxers have 120 resist without a problem.
     
  3. AleisterC

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    *gets out the cheese tray*
     
  4. MudFace

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    I will go for that just as soon as they remove evil omen/paralize so they cant xfield you in and kill you no matter what your resist are =)
     
  5. Pan Arcane

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    Why not one trap per box to break paralyze and you just carry 30 boxes? Makes enough sense. They're only omen paralyzing you most of the time because you won't engage and fight.
     
  6. weins201

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    I got crackers for that cheese

    and some summer sausage to make it a truly a nice snack

    :hahaha:

    :eek:

    But seriosly when they fix the evil omen para cank, or making resist a truly viable skill like it used to be, then maybe ill buy off on a timer for trapped boxes.

    Until then learn how to kill players without paralyzing them.

    Right now the only way paralyze works is once paraed, you get hit with cross e fields.
     
  7. Konge

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    Yay go ignorance! You win a cookie! But, wouldn't it just make more sense to say... oh, I don't know... Buff resist instead of nerfing something that just pissed you off before you came running here to whine about it? And honestly, I doubt the "only" reason anyone omen/para's is because you wont fight... I'm pretty sure it's so you're no longer a threat and they can pick you off as you please.
     
  8. Pan Arcane

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    Actually I've been farming ingrediants all day, nothing pissed me off. Resist isn't good enough? I think resist is great. Plus you have infinite potions to cure poison, endless apples to remove curses, on top of that the "endless trap box" to save yourself from paralysis. Trap boxes shouldn't be endless. Maybe they should make them chargeable with explosion / poison pots. Thanks for the cookie.
     
  9. Scarst

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    Anyone who thinks trap boxes are unfair obviously just wants to be able to para-field people again because anyone can use a freaking trap box not just dexxers. There is no reason any mage needs resist magic unless they're a parry mage and if you are one of those and are complaining it's obvious you just don't want your deficit skill of resist that is required to make the template actually work and want to force it down everyone elses throat.

    As for carrying 30 boxes that's the most idiotic thing I've heard all day and possibly yesterday and I was at wal-mart yesterday.

    And no para-fielders don't do it because you are running because I have been para-fielded while standing still just waiting around. I survived but that's besides the point. Anyone who para-fields is just lame and can't do it any other way.
     
  10. Pan Arcane

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    I walk into paralyze fields all of the time.
     
  11. Nystul

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    Boo.

    Trapped boxes are fine the way they are.
     
  12. Nystul

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    Re: I got crackers for that cheese

    Nah.

    You get paraed so everyone can bola/dismount ALL KILL. While they continue to chain para.

    It would just make pvp just plain gay.
     
  13. N49ATV

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    Re: I got crackers for that cheese

    Crying mages broke this years ago. Does anyone remember the days of casting magic trap on 15-20 pouches? And making a UOA use once macro?

    Then came the cries, they dont do enough damage, they shouldnt be used. Because you couldnt para gank. So they started changing things. And now you want trapped boxes gone.

    I say, set it back to trapped pouches, that do 15 damage, one pop per pouch.
     
  14. Busters

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    mages use resist not just to get through para, they use it for resist poison and spells like pain spike, it is useful the way it is. But if you take boxes out and make every template get 120 resist to make it in pvp then you will just kill the game. There are just some people you have to get dismounted to kill because they run to fast, thats the way it is and will always be, it is not that hard to adapt to that.
     
  15. N49ATV

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    I remember when everyone ran resist as part of a template. Now with the newer skills, its not viable as much.

    So why not go back to pouches?
     
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    Lame post of the day award. Trapped boxes are FAR less gay than the omen/para gank that some peeps/guilds love to pull. They are just fine the way they are. If you want to fix something, nerf evil omen/para effects on those carrying resist, OR, buff resist spells.
     
  17. KalVasTENKI

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    That makes no sense what so ever.
     
  18. MalagAste

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    Yes lets get rid of trap boxes and while we are at it lets get rid of the parafield spell because that is totally lame in PvP... and shouldn't be allowed...

    panzy way to play a mage.. can't hack getting hit so I'll paragank... cause I'm too big of a lozer to do real PvP...

    Yeah... that's my .02 Cents. You can get rid of trap boxes as soon as you get rid of parafields. As long as you agree to that I'll quit using boxes.
     
  19. Viper09

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    I don't think parafields are that big of a problem as that lame evil omen+para+x-field.

    A high resist and parafields are easy to walk through. Evil omen ignores resist and thus leading to a lame outcome.

    But sure, remove trapped boxes when evil omen + para gets tinkered with.

    And no Pan, evil omen + para isn't only used on people who aren't fighting. But I can guess that you're one of those evil omen + para fighters though from that comment.
     
  20. Jesusislord

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    Solution:

    Keep trapped boxes. Put diminishing returns on paralyze until they eventually stop working on the target.

    Make energy fields do energy damage again, hence placing them directly onto another player will break that players paralyze. The only way to energy field someone in would be to have two mages energy field someone in with perfect timing, and that should be possible.. as a reward for well-timed teamwork between two or more mages.
     
  21. KalVasTENKI

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    I like the idea but it kind of makes Magic Resist completely pointless..
    In a sense.. It's already pointless except if there's 3 or more mages chasing you down with para spam.. Or you get mana vamped.

    As for the Energy fields, I think they should be kept how they are.
     
  22. Nails

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    Pan always so confrontational with people. Yes, this is one of his favorite moves. He is quite good at it.
     
  23. aarons6

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    to be honest here trapped boxes were meant to insta-kill.. so lets make them do that..
     
  24. Goodmann

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    we will remove the trapped boxes as soon as pan can beat any person in UO one v one. This will never happen.............
     
  25. WarUltima

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    TBH I think people will still whine and cry and wahhh and calling wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhnbulance if Tbox cheese is fixed even if EO Paralyze combo is made no longer possible.

    Most people use omen para as an "excuse" to counter the forever fishy 59237542384000-charge tboxes they've been relying on in order to make their gimplet possible.

    :eyes:

    I am all for removing omen effect in halving resist skill and fix the tbox exploit.
     
  26. Konge

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    It's not really an exploit as they're not exploiting a glitch, para breaks when you take damage, so you cause yourself to take damage. It's not like they're glitching the traps to not deal major amounts of damage
     
  27. Splup

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    Fix EO+Para and trapboxes.

    People cry about nerfing trapboxes cause atm that one little box lets them play gimplet temps with endless amount of curepots. Adding the bug that's being exploited which lets them run through parafields...

    If EO+Para was fixed there's no reason not to fix these trapboxes. I remember carrying loads of magically trapped boxes back in the days, let them do that if they want to use that 120 skillpoints somewhere else.
     
  28. Goodmann

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    While we are nerfing things lets take a look at MAGE WEAPONS..... 100 EXTRA SKILL for an already over powered template
     
  29. No.


    That was easy. Next!
     
  30. Nails

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    I like them and use them to compete with folks that already do. However, it has never made sense to me that you craft one with one bolt and the bolt can be used for thousands/ endless amounts of uses. Kind of messed up.
     
  31. KalVasTENKI

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    Christ , it's not even a big deal. You can't use the specials , it's really meant for defense rather than melee damage.

    Dexxers already eat the hell out of Mages that have 45 DCI and a Mage Weapon.... On that note please re-examine your logic. :thumbdown:
     
  32. kaio

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    the dammage on trapped boxes are way too low..
    Raise it to 20 dammage each pop, then we probberly wont see any none-resist-magic toon running trough 10 parafields.
     
  33. Freelsy

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    I think he was just saying how Mage Weapons give you a free 100 defensive skill just like the trap boxes give you for resists....yet no one seems to have a problem with them.
     
  34. Capt.E

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    I play a Mage and I love dexxers that carry boxes with no resist. So many cool spells like mana vamp and pain spikes for 30 damage. It would be a sad day when dexxers all have 120 resist. Just stop para ganking, it's lame as hell.
     
  35. Nails

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    no one puts one on for doing damage. Mage weps are strictly to help defend against dexers that can hit u every time over and over. no specials - no skills to increase damage and no hit chance increase to speak of. You are talking about the same or less damage than a trapped box (8-14) if u even hit someone.
     
  36. WarUltima

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    Actually there's something similar. Mage Weapon use your magery skill as your DEFENSIVE skill value with a penalty tacked on to it (it does not count as actual skill). While UBWS gives dexers with a weapon skill 240 free DEFENSIVE AND OFFENSIVE skill WITHOUT a penalty. UBWS has no penalty and counts the FREE SKILL you gain as a true weapon skill.

    I see I mentioned people routinely using Omen Para as an excuse to protect tboxes cheese and we get mage weapon whaaaanbulance (which dexers also have something similar already).

    Traps boxes was made to have 1 single shot only somehow when they made trapped pouches to do 30 damage as AoS is released they screwed it up and "bugged" tbox and it was already a stated exploit that will be "ignored" (yes it's an exploit because it should only have 1 charge but with you turn it which execute the exploit thus making it unlimited charges. It's just an exploit that DEV stated to ignore (like owning exploited/duped glacial colored spellbooks/items).

    But doesnt matter many people in this game needs a lot of help to play better in order to compete using exploit or not. I carry a tbox on all my 120 resist char not for evil omen para (only nooblets gets hit by it) I use it to counter dexer paralyzing blow as it is even more cheesier and ignore resist skill.

    Paralyze spell: Immune if you have 120 resist and does zero(0) damage.
    Paralyzing Blow: Assuming it's a bow, 120 resist will not protect you and does (ARROW HIT) + (LIGHTING HIT) + (VELOCITY) + (PARALYZE) + (FREE HIT if you dont carry a box). Thats 40ish damage para with a free hit if you dont have a box.

    Dexers have it easy (most better dexers will agree). But anyways fix it or not I am fine. I am a true PvPer and I adapt to the game. I just started to play an Archer (imbued out of course) and I feel so sorry when my victim is a mage (regardless how good they are, they just cannot kill me 1v1 and a few good RNG roll it's a super leet mage Oooooing out how I suck and can only play an archer)
     
  37. onthefifty

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    this, qft, especially the last para which i wholeheartedly agree.
     
  38. wrekognize

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    This game is full of ganking as it is. Let's not remove the one thing we can use to walk into fel now and then.
     
  39. Scarst

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    It's called shortening a sentence into a phrase. Instead of saying "paralyzed then cross fielded with energy fields" five times, I used the simple term Para-fielded which most people understood but evidently not you.