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Enhanced Client

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  1. Siteswap

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    Ive been away from UO for a while and was just taking a quick peek back (reactivated an account for 1 month only) and I have a question regarding the Enhanced Client.

    Is it still officially in Beta?

    If not, are all (or even most) of the bugs & glitches fixed?

    If it is still in Beta then are EA just leaving it that way until UO is no more?
     
  2. Sturdy

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    I use it, and like it better that the older client.

    You may not like it? :confused:
     
  3. Tazar

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    It's still in Beta, but a lot of EC fixes are supposed to be coming in the next two publishes...

    I could ask the same thing about the Legacy client... The only difference is we have all learned to work around the Legacy bugs... just like we are learning to work around the EC bugs.

    I've always been one to adapt well to new things so I went to the EC easily. You can tailor the interface to be almost exactly like what you have in 2D for familiarity, but there is also a lot more you can do beyond that.
     
  4. Schuyler Bain

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    I am fairly certain the Enhanced Client is still officially in Beta.
     
  5. Llewen

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    You are correct sir. And I'll just add, if you are getting back into the game, or just starting, you really should do it on the enhanced client. There are many advantages to the enhanced client, just do a search or check out the enhanced client forum, they've been listed many times and I don't want to do it again.

    There are plenty of bugs and issues with the enhanced client, but even at that, if I had to go back to the legacy client I'd probably close my accounts. And has already been stated there are some major patches in the pipe for the enhanced client which will hopefully fix a lot of the outstanding issues.
     
  6. Schuyler Bain

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    I will second this! I use the Classic Client when I have to, but the EC has come a long way and for new and returning players I would suggest you start with the EC as well.

    *EDIT* I am seconding the bit about using the EC not the bit about me being correct although I'm glad I was, I was due. :thumbup:
     
  7. Lord Chaos

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    Of course, its also a legit way for players to cheat.
     
  8. Mapper

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    Hehehe, You never let me down with comments like these!... rolleyes:

    But yes, certainly give the EC client ago, It's been designed this decade, if your computer doesn't like it or you don't, then try the classic client.
     
  9. Decors

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    Most fatal bugs and glitches still exist.
    Also thousands of small bugs and glitches exists too. :(
    They mentioned incoming fixes in prducer's update.
    "this is just a teaser, there are about 30+ bugs and feature changes as well"
    Let's just hope for the result.

    I won't hope so but I think so atm.
    They don't have intel to solve the essensial problem.
    Also they are too much slow to get work done...

    On the other hand, we have great modders.
    Expect them to good work. Their UI make the game come more alive.
     
  10. Lord Chaos

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    Well, it is. Its a legit way to do the things that you cannot do in the classic client, hence cheating ahead of those who for some reason or another cannot or does not use the EC.

    Not everyone can run the EC, stomach the EC or has the setup that the EC works under (like international setups)
     
  11. Llewen

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    A fine example of an oxymoron...
     
  12. DHMagicMan_1

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    Does UO Assist work with the Enhanced Client? I can't garden without the "Use Once Agent"
     
  13. lucitus

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    No the bugs are not soo impossible to fix most of them are minor ones. The big ones crashes, leaks etc., have been mostly fixed, there is one big with the blackarea lag in felucca and the animations are rendered too slow, but i hope this will get fixed soon.
     
  14. Beta Test: A software version released to a limited population of users for functionality and bug test evaluation before the final release to the general user base...
    http://www.bridgefieldgroup.com/bridgefieldgroup/glos1.htm

    It may be incomplete, but it's not...by definition...in beta any longer. They already had a beta, and then released it. They may call it beta because it shipped incomplete and full of bugs...but it's not in beta.
     
  15. Mapper

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    Generally a cheat within a game is attained outside of normal gameplay though, I wouldn't call the EC 'cheating' just, having a legit advantage in some areas.
     
  16. Beer_Cayse

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    and therefore it is a cheat? pffft. ummm, bushwah. It is a client that is more up to date than the CC. It has many capabilities that the CC and/or UOA have.

    However, I dislike it because of the graphics - disproportionate, fuzzy/blurred looking. Also, movement to me is not as natural looking as in CC.

    When/if the graphics are better to my old eyes I will most likely give it a go. Until then, CC for me.
     
  17. Llewen

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    You are splitting hairs and once again wandering perilously close to outright trolling. You might want to look at what this definition has to say about the differences between an "open" and a "closed" beta. The enhanced client is currently in open beta. It has been in open beta for a long time, but it is nonetheless in beta...
     
  18. Dude...it was released.

    Think what you want, but a product (game, app, server code, whatever) that is released live is out of beta. Once again, they may be calling it beta...but because it is a live product, it is not beta.

    Anyway...beta, not beta, it sucks.
     
  19. Llewen

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    At this point it could be absolutely perfect, and stunningly beautiful in every way, and you would still say, "it sucks"... ;)

    And I finally found what I was looking for. Forgive me if I take the devs word on this over yours.
     
  20. Aran

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    The EC is ironically named, it's terrible.
     
  21. Dermott of LS

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    If it's legit, it's not cheating.

    Secondly, it's in "beta" as in they've always called it beta, but it's been a LONG time since it was effectively released and IMO that release is a botch on the client (AGAIN).

    Yes, the EC has its share of problems and backpedals from KR, but it also has a LOT of advances from the 2d client in terms of UI functionality and resolution capabilities.

    Anyone new or comping back really should at the very least give the EC a fair chance, you never know, it might work out well even in the incomplete state its in.
     
  22. Schuyler Bain

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    Just for the "hair-splitters" out there...

    http://www.uoherald.com/downloads/

    I direct your attention to the "Enhanced Beta Client" Download button. If the producers/developers of the game still call it beta then I will call it beta... open, closed or otherwise, but I guess I'm old fashioned like that. rolleyes:
     
  23. hawkeye_pike

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    The Enhanced Client still is officially beta. However, it meanwhile is very stable to play. It still has a long list of issues, but most of them are not game breaking.

    I've been getting used to the EC during the past months, and whenever I have to switch back to the Classic Client (which runs on my old notebook) I am more aware of the flaws of the old client than ever before. I wouldn't go back to the CC if ye'd pay me for it. :)
    I also notice more and more people switching to the EC. You can't deny that it has lots of advantages, like high screen resolution, lockable and customizable hotbars, extensive macro features, to only mention a few. The EC makes UO Assist, UO AutoMap and other tools obsolete.

    The next publish 66 will most likely fix a lot of the current bugs (I hope it will fix the graphics memory leak caused by field spells, which is the most serious bug right now) and the EC will be even better.

    I really am critical about game clients (I refused the KR Client back then after an extensive test), but the EC is a massive improvement to gameplay. Let's hope they will improve the artwork a bit, too (especially the character art and some of the monster and environment art could be improved). Overall, the artwork in general looks better than in the CC, especially concerning ground artwork and lighting/particle effects.

    P.S.: The EC client works even well with old computers (I don't mean 10 years old!) and $30 graphics adapters.

    P.P.S.: You could also continue to use the CC, if you want something like this on a modern screen: ;)
    [​IMG]
     
  24. Nosbor

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    I play EC exclusively, and while my machine is a beast I have never had any crashes due to the bugginess of the client or significant latency issues.
    The only problem I have ever had is the mobiles list not clearing out without a relog.
    Just judging by resources that if your computer is less than 5 years old, you'll run it with no issues.
    There is something about the CC that reminds me of when UO was huge, mysterious, and overwhelming. I'm not playing in 640x480 anymore and would like to have more game area than black space, I play 1680x1050 dual monitor, windowed, with stuff up in the other monitor.
    EA took most of the functionality in UOA, and ported it to the EC either in the form of pre-compiled functions, or through LUA scripting. There just isn't much it can't do.
    At any rate, that's my two cents.

    Welcome back.
     
  25. Lord Chaos

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    The EC client doesn't work at all on Netbooks or smaller laptops. Nor on some desktop configurations.

    And what resolution is that 10.000x10.000?
     
  26. Zayin666

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    Iam amazed that there was 15 replies to this thread before someone started bashing the EC :)
    Perhaps more ppl are starting to use it:thumbup1:

    I have used it since it came out and I have never had any reasons/needs what so ever to go back to the CC.

    If I load the CC on my 27" it loks like the pic Hawkeye posted rolleyes:
     
  27. Lord Chaos

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    That is a valid point, but only for a rare few. And heck that could easily have been fixed by the dev team by allowing more resolutions in the play window. Which can be easily done as there's already a 3rd party solution that allows for you to run the play window of the CC at any size.

    Though that of course is another reason to hate the EC, not only did it legalize cheating, but it also halted the development of the CC client.
     
  28. lucitus

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    Sorry iam tired to hear that, you will never change, only when the client looks like the CC thank the devs that it doesnt look like that. And the movement in the CC it looks like they are not walking on the ground, they are walking in the ground and what are this pixels on the screen blue and red paintings are that spells?

    And yes i have also played Ultima Online, when it was called Ultima Online, it was good for it times and i would never say it was'nt. But the decesion to slowly bring UO onto a new way is a wise and right decesion.
     
  29. Mapper

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    It would require more information be sent to the client, No idea how hard it is to change, but its a problem.

    If you zoom right out in the EC client mobiles and items won't load until you are closer to them, In 2d if you have a larger resolution the edges will go grey.

    So it's quite a job I'd say.
     
  30. Lord Chaos

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    It already sends the information to quite far out, while there's some further out areas it won't load until you get closer, its still good enough. I've seen a guy run the CC in 1600x1200 resolution play window and it looked really good and the information except the furthest out areas were there.
     
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    Yes i only use the classic to organize vendor bags so people who refuse to use EC can easily see my goods!

    Dear devs: Drop classic client like originally planned :)
     
  32. Zayin666

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    You can switch to "Legacy containers" in the menu settings in the EC.
    So you dont need the CC for this :)
     
  33. Dermott of LS

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    not only did it {the EC} legalize cheating

    Oh get off it. This has to be one of the dumbest statements or sentiments ever posted here.

    Guess what chief... UOA is closer to "cheating" than the EC was, is, or ever will be if by no other nature than the EC is made BY THE UO DEV TEAM. It's an official client and not an external program.

    Ya know, it's one thing to dislike the client for whatever reason, but the above quote is just wallbangingly dumb.
     
  34. RaDian FlGith

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    Except that if you prefer legacy containers, you'll notice very quickly humongous, glaring, difficult to deal with bugs in the way that the EC handles legacy backpacks. They just don't work properly.
     
  35. omgmir

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    You haven't read many of his posts have you? ;)
     
  36. Dermott of LS

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    Lately, yes, but I also remember him prior to now, and it's either a case of blatant trolling or not even the same person.

    Still I have to consider claiming that a product made by the company that own the game and the devs that run the game to be "cheating" as being probably the worst of the statements outright.
     
  37. Lord Chaos

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    Just because they developed it as an official client doesn't make it any less of a legalized cheat. Its like the olympic committee all of a sudden legalizing drugs during the games, but only for players wearing pink and purple.
     
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    Considering the IOC just got busted for endorsing cheating in the 2k Olympics, and will eventually get busted for doing the same in the 08's, that's really a poor choice of analogies...
     
  39. Dermott of LS

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    Its like...

    Except it's not "like" anything, it's the devs releasing a client that is NOT 12 years old and adding in features that should be in the game anyway in the process.

    It's an official legal client, get used to it and get over it.

    And as one of the modders on the Modder's Exchange who helped create the idea of the site, I personally approached Jeremy (she was with UO at the time when we released the Exchange for Kingdom Reborn mods which are also LEGAL) in private messages requesting that we had oversight from the Devs on what we were doing. She accepted that oversight and down the road, the Exchange also has been accepted as a UO Fansite.

    The EC is legal, UI modding in the EC is legal, and everything on the Exchange is legal. It's not "like" something illegal was made legal, It's legal. Learn it, live it, love it... or not, either way, ignorance of information is no longer an excuse. To say any of the EC is "cheating" or "like something made legal" is simply flat out WRONG, maintaining that statement after being shown the error of the statement... well, that probably delves into borderline statements that a mod would dislike.
     
  40. Lord Chaos

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    It is cheating made legal, this is a fact. You're just too blind in client worship to see it. And just because its made by the devs doesn't make it incapable of being a cheat.
     
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    I keep trying to use it bit it makes me feel ill.

    Probably something to do with my laptop, I'll give it another go when I finally upgrade.
     
  42. Dermott of LS

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    Your claiming it's "a cheat" doesn't make it so, no matter how many times you do it. You've obviously not taken the time to pay ANY attention to my complaints about the EC, so to say I'm "blidly worshipping" is also ignorance on your part (ignorance not in a negative sense, but in the "Lord Chaos is speaking without all of the facts" sense).

    EC like it or not is an Official Clientâ„¢ and by definition is not in any way cheating.

    I'll take the Devs over a UHall troll any day and with that I'm done with this circular argument. If you can't get beyond your blinders, I can no longer help you. The information is there.
     
  43. Lord Chaos

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    Fine by me *shrugs* Just move along.
     
  44. Beer_Cayse

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    You won't convince LC that he's incorrect this once. I stated the reasons I don't play in my note above - but I did exercise it during beta and do try to make it as far as I can these days. I like it and the UI customizations everyone has worked on. Only 1 stinkin' issue stops me from dropping CC/UOA for EC and that I've more than once stated.

    LC is incorrect in his assessment of it being a cheat - you and I and many others know it. But right about now, you're :wall:. Let him believe what he will .. it won;t be any more correct tomorrow.
     
  45. Dermott of LS

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    He can believe it all he wants, however the blanket false (indirect) accusation that by using it, a player is cheating is another matter IMO.
     
  46. kelmo

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    There are several with an anti EC agenda. CC will be maintained... EC will be developed and worked on in a significant manner. I find no need for any of the approved third party programs while using EC.

    I have never used any of the illegal third party apps out there. I value my accounts and reputation far too much to even consider it. I was always taught that cheaters are not winners. That is how I roll.

    Almost any player can take advantage of all the wonders Enhanced Client has to offer. I gave my self a time line of three weeks. I would stick with it for 21 days whether I hated it or not.

    I had some moments with a few things, art mostly. That has improved, or I got used to it. *shrugs* The client grew on me. It is so much more functional. As Dermott mentioned in another thread, I have barely scratched the surface of what this client can do.

    Why do some consider us cheaters? Just because we are different I suppose. Same old reason people have always used. "They are different" they have to be wrong.

    Many fallacies have been spread about. We are faster, etc. You have all seen them. Hogwash, I say.

    I do not envy the bit of Dev time to keep CC running. Many of my friends still play it. That's OK. It is still there for them.

    My point is, just know that the haters are wasting their energy. We know we are not cheating. Mythic knows we are not cheating. Nothing they say or do changes that.

    They can preach to the choir. It changes nothing. Just wasted effort.

    *steps off soap box*
     
  47. AesSedai

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    - Aye like :popcorn:

    (and it looks like this one will be fun to both: a. note and b. read at a more pop-corn-ish time ;))

    Cheating is bad.
    EC is 'beta-becoming' (~ beckoning) progress, imo.
     
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    The good thing about the EC is that you cant use a 3rd party app to cheat using it.

    The bad thing is that it isnt 3D.

    Of all the things that EA could do, most probably making a real 3D client would bring in the most subscribers. It is not that it cant be done because the EC uses the same game engine as WAR, Oblivion and Fallout 3.

    Just beg borrow or steal some of the Warhammer Online graphic artists that sit next to the UO team.
     
  49. Llewen

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    They work fine for me. There are some issues with items being a bit difficult to arrange, but once you get used to it it isn't much worse than those same kinds of issues with the classic client.

    It isn't your fault, or your laptop's fault. 3D game environments make some people feel ill. It's a bit like having problems with motion sickness. The EC doesn't do it to me, but sometimes full 3D games will make me feel somewhat ill, and I know there are many with a far worse problem with that than I have.
     
  50. Lord Chaos

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    If the shoe fits. They've taken several aspects which were cheating and made them legal with the EC, giving an unfair advantage over non-EC players.

    Some use UOC, but either way, the only thing that was needed in the CC was UOA.

    So you can "win UO"? Please teach me how.

    Uhm, no. Because you've legally been given a big advantage over other players and several functions that was once illegal cheating.

    Of course it changes nothing, they have to stick with the EC.

    ? There are several EC cheats out already.

    I guess thats up to the definition of "fine", the items distort on move and its blurry compared to the more clear 2D.

    EC makes me ill, thats not the 3Ds fault, not the computers fault, its the games fault. Its nauseatingly ugly and messy. Not to mention it becomes a huge mess of hotbars.