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Discussion in 'UO Siege Perilous' started by SavageSP, Feb 9, 2009.

  1. SavageSP

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    I was gone for about 8 months, so I missed what was said here when these came to Siege.

    I'm guessing this was supposed to make more people join Factions?

    My question is why in the hell did the Silver amounts get bumped up to 5X???

    That's 5X the Farming which is alot less times spent fighting, and leads to all this BS about someone trashing someone elses Suit, etc etc

    Either the Gear shouldn't be here, or it should be reduced to the 1X Rate so we don't have PvPers Farming for 20 Hours to build one Suit they get Ganked out of in 30 Seconds and then not returning to the Field till they get more Gear.
    Or worse, running No-Risk Templets just to get as much enemy Gear to trash as payback. To me this is the quickest way to put the final Nail in the Siege Coffin. People dont want to Farm 24/7 to be able to compete, it only Promotes Scripting and People saying screw Siege this is BS!

    Drop the Rate to 1X Silver, that's less time farming, more time fighting, and if someone actually does "trash" your stuff you can replace it in a Day, not a Week or Two Weeks plus.
     
  2. Scuzzlebutt

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    You can thank Goodguy's crybaby ass for that one.
     
  3. God_Majere

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    i wish for faction arties to be removed... there is no risk for factioners...
     
  4. SavageSP

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    How do you figure Factioneers have no risk?

    They have always tryed to run the best Gear they can get ahold of, runic armor, Minor Arty's, even if its only a piece or two, anything that would give an advantage has been worn by factioneers and Non- Factioneers unless they just wanted to run a Nakid Templet or didnt have Gold or a Tamer to farm it.

    Time and gold spent farming runics/silver/minors etc is alot of Risk.
     
  5. God_Majere

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    Fctions promised that the arties will always be ready for sale...
    there is no promise for a non-factioner looking for the same gear.
    hench the real deal is worth far more....
    which in my opinion is far more risk than someone who just farms silver for a few hours.
     
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    Hey welcome back savage
    good to see your back.:)
     
  7. SavageSP

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    :) Glad to be back, but Im sick of farming Silver trying to catch up to everyone, no thanks to the raiders I keep having to Ditch.
     
  8. Tjalle

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    Exactly!
     
  9. Kael

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    I think people would be seen more and fight more often if the faction artifacts were not on Siege
     
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    It is the veteran shard it isnt suppose to be easy, as Ive heard quoted so many times.
     
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    The reason it is 5x is total bull**** in my eyes. On a trammy shard I farmed the silver for my full suit(about 20k) in 2 hours. And then I insured it. I INSURED IT TO NEVER LOSE IT AGAIN. On a shard where 1m is equal to about 125k on our shard, it costs me 5k when I die. However on SP to farm an entire suit(orny, crystaline, glasses, crimmy, fey legs, RBC, tali) it takes me oh, 7-8 hours? And then if someone WILL sell it back, I pay 1m+ for it. How is that fair to SPers?
     
  12. SavageSP

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    Well, as far as im concerned, prodo shards should have the 5X rate since they insure the crap, and the 1X rate should be here since its all lost on Death which is why this is the hard shard, and shouldnt be the "Farmer Ted" shard.
     
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    Oh, and I forgot to mention that no one is forcing anyone to farm anything. There are other things to wear...

    And I also forgot to say welcome back! :)
     
  14. Hef

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    Agree 100% with Sav and welcome back :)
     
  15. kelmo

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    Welcome back Savage. *smiles*

    The faction item grind has totaly driven me off. I will be found at the local taverns drinking to old times. Not that I was ever any good at PvP. I just can't stand the whining about item lose. *shakes head* This stuff does not belong on Siege.
     
  16. SavageSP

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    Howdy Kelmo :), well if the faction Silver Rate stays at 5X id almost rather see them go instead of everyone turning into Farmer Ted when they lose a suit.

    I actually like the Items, I just think the Devs were fresh out of the Christmas Eve Party when the decided to make prodo a 1X rate with insurance ?????? that had to take a lot of thought, and then make Siege 5X Silver ???????

    I understand why a non faction character would have trouble with them, but Im pretty sure the whole idea was to get people to join and make Factions a tad closer to what it should be.
     
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    They should cost 1X and dissolve upon death.
     
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    I agree
     
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    Or even turn back into silver.
     
  20. SavageSP

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    Either one of those ideas would be better then what it is now, selling back is a good idea in theory, but the trash can or we're not selling bubkis to you stuff was bound to happen, it just hurts a lot worse when you lose 20k-80K+ silver all at once, 30 silver per critter at a slower rate if you do demons.

    So I guess the Magic Question is....... can this be changed to 1X ? sell back/dissolve/silver(could be used to buy another item for the looter)or un-connect it from the Character, and how many people are sick and tired of Farming?
     
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  22. DING DING thread winner!

    Yes there are other things to wear. Gm bloodwood armor will give 12 hp regen and i think 60 to all resists, throw in one expensive item and your set!

    I quit sevral years ago, and back then i always thought factions should get some perks, but i think artifacts, are the wrong perks

    perhaps some specific faction artifacts, or on siege, the ability to insure a faction item with silver (1 item maybe, so thats 2 blesses instead of one)

    who knows, i just think hat of the magi used to be special when it dropped in doom, and now it can be worn by anyone, (seriously my character that i created a weak ago can farm ogre lords and buy one)

    bassically there should be advantages to being in factions, but there should no be no contest between factions and reds (who have the same dounsides but non of the perks)
     
  23. SavageSP

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    Personally, Id have made new items that were Faction Specific, not one up Arties that already exist, but Im not a Dev, they put this crap in with no imagination.

    It's here , the chance of getting Devs to re-write the entire deal for factions isnt going to happen, but it could be modified real easy for Siege, and they've done it before when the shard got behind it.

    Id make a post on U-Hall to get it noticed if there is enough support here. Ill see what this stirred up tomorrow after work.
     
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    This idea makes sense! I think if it is at all possible, we should, if we agree on it, make that proposal to the devs and see if we can bring about some change.

    As far as templates and options go, I think a lot of players like the faction items, but these items have not served us well as a community and in terms of generating more fun and PvP. Most of what I see is anger and frustration.

    The question is.. Can we come together and try to bring about this change as a group?
     
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    Try to go earn a few Doom artis that have less mods than the unbalanced faction garbage.
    Heaven help us if you have to go farm a few hours or EVEN a whole (wipes tears) day.
    Bless one normal item Like the rest of us and then lose it and move on. All this faction unbalanced items needs to stay on insurance shards. We voted for no insurance and now when you cant get personal item (return) insurance you all shed the tears of someone who actually thinks its his because there names on it. :sad4:
    I believe that if I cannot wear or use the item then you should have no chance of getting it back. If I can wear it, then you can defeat me and have the same items victorously back. First they make it so you can dye stuff that I cannot use, then they name stuff I cannot use. 2X I cannot use should mean 1X into the waste bin.:scholar:
    I go to faction places where I watch farming and fighting. 99% of packs I snoop have NO gold and only Silver. Shame on all for Silver hording and gold wasting.
    Be like the rest of Siege and EARN your items with Silver AND Gold, not tears and crys for more unbalancing.

    I DO NOT like or PLAY factions, if items have no effect on me when fight starts then I say keep items. But if attacker gets to use faction item bonuses on non-faction players = remove from Siege P.

    Again my 2 cents.
     
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    In my opinion. If player in factions has "FACTION" Item on with bonuses or ANYTHING that required silver too use, and he attacks another player who is not in factions, then POOF, Braclet of Magi for example goes POOF off player screen and returns when fight with non faction player is over. If non faction player attacks first, then All items in inventory are usable. But make it fair for non faction by not allowing bonuses for faction agressors against non faction players. (I.E. keep faction items with faction fights). Or make it in strongholds only, that way factions will stay out of the normal players hair (I can hear the pancakes starting already on this suggestion). And if you want to play out in the normal world, you'll be, for heavens sake, at the same level as everybody (could) be (not forced to be).
     
  27. Black magick

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    Nothing is keeping anyone from joining factions and being on par gear-wise with everyone else... O wait, to join factions would mean having to alternate play style a little and add a lot more risk of dying.
     
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    I live in the fair, balanced world.

    Factions is for people that want to live out of the normal realm, and if thats the case, dont blow ciggerette smoke at me and tell me that if I dont like it "I" can move, or I can start smoking so I can "enjoy" the same thing.

    Your part of the cancer thats killing normal game play on Siege P.
     
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    And noticed no responce EVER to my comment about Items not being usable in a NON faction fight. All you want to do is kill those that will not conform. You cry factions but dont want to keep it faction only. AND WHY IS THIS??? Because you have no intention of keeping it faction only. If you had to remove all faction bonuses before a fight.... then you would never be seen. You cannot fight on skill and must rely soley on item bonuses. *truth*
     
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    I noticed that you failed to mention that you used to participate in faction fights without joining factions. It seems to me that all you wanted was to PvP without the risk of stat-loss. AND WHY IS THIS??? Because you have no intention of staying out of faction fights, but instead choose to play a guardzone hugging, noto killer of faction reds without any risk and then come to the forums to complain about faction items. *truth*
     
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    an easy solution, take the player's name off the faction items, dont let the faction items bond to the char (and maybe make the items not able to be faction dyable). that way when a factioner dies to a faction enimy the faction enimy can use it. then its an on going cycle and less silver will be needed. pluss less stuff trashed! :p
     
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    Would be great if people could be mature and get along. :scholar:

    Im sure you can Ed, I bet it would be up there with the way some reacted when we were proposing capping the superdragons fire breath and spell casting range/bleeds. But Im sure they are totally balanced, hence being able to run around naked with a few smoke bombs.
     
  33. Nickster

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    all the points you make are very valid. I feel that there are so many problems caused by the who faction arties thing! i agree there should be benefits to being in a faction but as another poster corectly stated, Reds don't get the same perks but get the same drawbacks... as a non faction player i find it sad that it would cost me loads to get a suit that can be bought by farming silver for a day, if i farmed gold for a day i doubt i could get a similar suit... and it must really suck seeing it get looted after a gank but in all fairness i think the items should either be removed or should go away on death as previously posted! I won't ever join a faction as a thief but if i ever decide to rework my char i wouldn't join factions as i simply don't have the gold to buy back items after death or i don't have the time to farm for hours on end to get the silver....

    if we could al agree on changes that need to be made and all get behind the post on Uhall when its made we might make a difference.

    you think we can come together on this???
     
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    People crying about faction items being un fair because they are to scared to give up there Guard Zones makes me smile.

    Maybe Siege is not for you people... There are other worlds out there with a Gump called Trammel on the Gate.

    Hell I would feel sorry for some of you if Siege was booming the way it was when I first came here back in yr 2000... You could not take a step away from the Guard Zone without getting slaughtered... Then I joined up with KGB and the fun began... :)
     
  35. Nickster

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    not about giving up guard zones for me, i play a thief so i am more than used to getting killed, and also as a thief most people who see me kill me :) just the way the cookie crumbles, i don't think the items are unfair too much, i just think they are causing more problems than the benifits they give, sure PvP fighters will find them great but at what cost?

    Baal and Kage murdered me my first 10 mins on siege.... then gave me 20k to get started and a suit of AR, i love the siege community but that seems to go out of the window where faction gear is concerned, perhaps its not my place to post.

    I have been playing this game on and off since 1999 and came back recently after a few years out, I am doing well for my self and will never play a prodo shard again, the thing that drew me here in the first place was the fact there is no trammel, I love playing my thief, and where the oppertunity comes up i will pvp where i can (well murder afk miners :p)

    I am just sick of reading post after post with .... Your not getting this back blah blah blah, he wouldn't sell me this my guilds going to blah blah blah.

    i don't think the items should just be ditched all together, wouldn't make a difference to me either way, i just think something needs to be done about it is all as they seem to cause so many problems.....
     
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    Thats the thing the suits are not hurting anything... It actually encourages people to fight more especially knowing the can nomrally buy there suits back for a reasonable price...

    Before these items were here we still ran crazy gear... except most guild would just sit inside there houses because they didn't want to loose all of there gear to a group of stealther and tamer running around in GM armor...

    You will always have people running better gear etc. Anyone can get the items if they join a faction... Sure the items cost a good amount of silver but this is Siege... It is not supposed to be easy.

    I don't think the items should be cheaper at all.

    I do think more monster should drop silver though and the higher famed monster should drop around 100-200 silver...

    There should be other places to farm silver other than Blighted Grove...

    Demons are slow as hell because the reduced the spawn rate many patches ago...

    That leaves two spots to farm silver. Blighted Grove and Fire Temple...

    There should be spots in Ilsh, Makato, Doom, etc etc...
     
  37. Nickster

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    I agree, the only thing that is anything to do with me is the amount of posts i see here with pancakes about the stuff hehe. there will always be someone with better gear and like you said this is siege, I dropped my house and have not logged on to one of my other chars on europa since coming here, I have had help from so many people but like i said that all seems to go out of the window, i think there should be a better system for death and the items is all.

    P.S, do you remember giving me the spawn gold and armour about 6 weeks ago, that little bit of help went a long way towards me staying on siege. touzoku from the borads helped lots too, its just sad to see what is a great community constantly at loggerheads over poxy items....
     
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    I also dislike the faction gear but...it is here!

    So lets really push the Devs to help!!!!

    1 push the spawn rate up
    2 lower silver cost
    3 add more faction monsters

    a small change here would go a long way!!

    hell we even had the lower silver prices for 24 hours, just switch it back!!!

    I will start a post on uhall and lets hammer it!!!

    why not, couldn't hurt!!


    also as everyone reads every post on siege!!

    Selling Greater Dragons have 3 atm over 970 hps!! cheap 300k !!! don't waste your with a weak pet!!
     
  39. Nickster

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    I agree with points 1 and 3, note sure the cost needs to be lower, if it was easier to obtain the silver then you would get it faster so no need to lower the costs IMHO. but like you say, even a small change would be welcome.
     
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    I think the simplest way would be to reduce the price of faction items. Less work for devs, which is the route they seem to prefer. I'm afraid adding more monsters that drop silver would increase the afk farming and/or scripting. With the limited places we have now, its fairly easily for such things to be policed by players to a large degree.
     
  41. Black magick

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    You don't seem to get that factions doesn't just give bonuses. You have no safe zones at all, not to mention the stat loss. As to your other comment. I'm not in factions. So your argument against me has no substance at all. Also, added gear doesn't make you any better, and if you rely on that gear you get worse and worse.(not talking about weapon, and casting jewels though. That makes you able to do better :D)
     
  42. shipwrek

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    I don't think that is always the case. I can't seem to do any significant damage to faction geared players and have lost 100% of the time.

    Add to that LRC gear and said faction geared person using Monster Ignore during a spawn..

    I don't even bother to try and stand and fight when I see a faction tag anymore. What's the sense, it's no fun.
     
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    Well i don't know about you... If I wanted to run a non faction char If I equipped it the way I did before the faction items I would still have no problem killing a guy who is in factions and wearing the items...
     
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    Are you still buying peoples items and trashing them Krystal? That is what I heard anyway... * cough* *cough*

    She quits factions and buy other peoples loot and trashes it! pretty cool huh?
     
  45. quazion

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    Indeed and this is why faction gear is a good thing, artifacts for everyone instead of a small elite with time or funds to get a very good artifact suit. Either remove artifacts at all or keep faction artifacts!

    I read another comment about Gm armour and worse weapons, its no difrent then everyone having better armour and better weapons, overall damage will be the same. If everyone suits up its just skill again not?
     
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    Based on what stellar amount of logic drew you to this conclusion?

    Remember before we got this stuff? Everyone and their mother, father, sister, brother, dog, neighbor, neighbors friend, neighbors friends acquaintance, etc. etc.... ran hiding/stealth. And were a stealth tamer to boot!

    The hell makes you think people would be out and about more often if they got rid of the faction stuff?

    You want to know what I believe will make people out and about more?!?!?

    Making high-end (useful) items more available/fun to obtain. Guilds like Gilfane LOVE to hunt monsters... but get crappy ass rewards for doing so. Imagine if they got good gear when they were out hunting? Got the good gear often?

    So often that a GOOD suit of armor costs 50k (total)

    Do you think people would quit this game because they lost their prized possession because of a bugged siege bless? Do you think people would worry about ganks if it was easier to replace their stuff? Do you think people would be out hunting more often? Do you think PKs would be patrolling more often? Do you think the game would be better if good items weren't just limited to the rich, but accessible to everyone?!?!?!?!?

    Now THERE is some stellar logic... not the lets go backwards 8 months and resume the *****-fest regarding greater dragons and stealth tamers argument.

    k tks
     
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    Once they take out superdragons Ill agree on removing the faction items.

    Fair enough KE?

    Im sure you wont agree because youll have a million and one reasons why superdragons are fair, I just dont see how you refuse to see it from the factioneers point of view. They like their over powered items just as you like your over powered dragon. To you its not over powered because you claim it takes skill in knowing how to play a tamer and which dragon to tame, while everyone has the oppritunity to get themselves one of these " balanced " beasts. And Im pretty sure a factioneers arguement would be that the items are completely fair because just like a superdragon EVERYONE has the oppritunity to get them. And it would take someone skill/know how to play the template without dieing in .2 seconds and losing the gear.


    Just think about it and tell me if you think thats fair.

    Does that make sense to you?
     
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    You mean you cry about factions but fail to see how you single handledly were leading the way for pushing away people from "Siege P" yea we know its Siege Perilous you dont gotta keep adding the P. I think your super dragon was the cause of far more people quitting/taking breaks on siege than these faction items will ever amount too.

    But you will defend it to the hills so why am I even bothering. How'd you get back on here anyways?
     
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    Heres some food for thought

    Tnt # 1 skill average - Hiding 62.8

    K0C # 6 skill average - Hiding 37.9

    LOw # 5 skill average - Hiding 42.3


    Seems that alot of people are still running templates with hiding. Id bet it was mostly limited to 50 ninja gm hide though, for the legit non overpowered way to hide for 5 mana.
     
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    AAhhhh...I see. Someone disagree's with you and somehow they lack your stellar knowledge and logic. It must be a wonderful thing to believe oneself is always correct and live in that sheltered environment.

    Let me explain why I feel you would see more people fighting. People are scared to lose their very expensive and hard to find Faction arties. People trash them, lock them down or charge a ridiculus ransom to get them back. They ***** and cry on the forums daily about buying them back or not having the opportunity to get them returned. The also complain about having to farm for days to get a full mage suit.

    I have only been playing Siege for a year and a half but in that time more people hide in their houses unless they have the huge odds. The risk is too great. When I started here fights would happen all the time at Luna bank. Why...because all one had to lose was some runic armor. Crafter's were happy they actually had a reason to tend to their crafts.

    People play Siege because they like the element of danger. Many like factions for the wide open opportunity to pvp. Many other's don't like the concept of factions but like the excitement of when they get raided and are forced to pvp to protect themselves ( yes even the rpers or strict pvm guilds like GIL) It was amazing to hear people having a great time in vent dying, rezzing and returning to try to retake their spawn from the pvpers.

    Then came the faction changes and now they can't even hit someone loaded up with faction gear on a completely scrolled out account. Many people have lost interest in both pvp and the bitter ugliness that surrounds these faction artifacts. In fact I know of at least 10 accounts in the last week or so I have heard that have been cancelled just because of the bitterness of faction arties by people here on Siege.