The stratics chart on fame and titles here shows the fame levels from 0-10,000 and in the hunters guide says a nightmare is level 5 14000 fame, so how do these numbers matchup? I know from hunting for fame to sacrifice that it takes approximately 75 nightmares in Fel to go from zero fame to Lord. That taken into account mobs in Fel are 2X fame and karma a nightmare would be 28,000 fame multiply that by 75 thats 2.1 mil pts in fame. I do know that fame is susposed to scale as you get higher but I have never gotten any message other than "you have gained a lot of fame" from them, even well after hitting Lord. So does anybody have a clue how the numbers add up????