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FIX PVP

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Kage, Feb 18, 2012.

  1. Kage

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    PvP Is Broken plain and simple.


    Main Problems

    *Bestial Suits - OVER POWERED. Everyone seems to be running bestial suits mainly with Bushido, Swords, Resisting Spells, Poisoning, Ninjitsu, Hiding, Stealth. combined with smoke bombs makes this template build impossible to kill.

    *Poisoning - OVER POWERED.

    *Potion Weight - Needs to be lowered back to one stone due to shatter potions, and poison changes.

    Later fixes

    *Dread Mares - They need some type of slayer.

    *Pre Patch Pets - Cu Sidhe mainly... you can't get away from them while on foot after being dismounted because they have the ability to speed hack, and they bite you every 1.25 seconds. pretty much anyone with one of these pets can kill you instantly after dismounting you.

    *Riding Swipe - Dismount in this game is bad enough as it is... But not being able to mount your pet because it hasn't been healed is the craziest thing ever, and even worse if you res the pet you still have to heal it to full life before you can mount it.

    *Mortal Wound - again it seems like players can spam this now, and apples fail 100 times before removing a curse, and when they do finally remove a curse and you're lucky enough for it to actually remove the mortal you end up just being mortaled again and die.

    DEVS IF YOU ARE WATCHING PLEASE FIX PVP! I know you guys are busy revamping dungeons or what have you but it would be nice if you guys could spend some time on fixing things that are broken because it seems like a lot of things that need to be fixed get placed on the back burner due to adding content.
     
  2. Winker

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    PvP is only broke cause they tryed to fix it. Now you want them to fix it more? :twak:
     
  3. Lord Frodo

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    PvP can't be fixed. Fix one thing and some one else whines it's broke. Never ending story.
     
  4. lupushor

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    Always reading these long lists of issues makes me wonder how can you guys cope with this faulty pvp system? Come to Tram, I'll make some hot tea.
     
  5. Orgional Farimir

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    Because even with it being broke it is still the most fun thing to do in UO.

    PvM would be a little bit more interesting if the Devs would auctually work on the AI of monsters and not just think that adding a monster with 5,000,000,000 hit points and making it so it does 1 hit kills ever 5 seconds makes it harder.

    Personally I do not know 1 game where fighting the "computer" is better than fighting other people. Reason being is the computer is loaded with macros and scripts that do not change, where as with humans it changes constantly, from suits, to tactics, to templates, to a person having a good/bad day, to just plain luck, and everything inbetween. It is very rare to have the exact same fight 2 times in a week (unless you have someone playing a mystic.)
     
  6. Vyal

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    I would say these two things need fixed ASAP. Your right about riding swipe being totally stupid the way it is now. Luckily not many people use that temp & it's also easy to trap box out of the para.

    & you can't spam mortal there is still a timer there BUT the apples never work for anything ever.

    The worst/best is the tamer with a pre patch speed dog using riding swipe.
     
  7. Lord Frodo

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    Pre Pub16 Shard. Smith/Miner/Tailor in Tram to make suits/armor/weps, everyone else to Fel for Kill Fest. DONE ONLY WAY TO FIX IT
     
  8. weins201

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    LMAO another I cant kill everyone must be something broken WAHHAHAHAHHA



    Point is this DEVs my template cant win all battles in like 2 minutes, :pirate:
    please tweak all the other templates so I dont have to adjust mine:dunce:
    Seriously these PvP are broke threads as such a (*&^(*&T( Joke its almost sad even reading them but a lagh to see what some whiners think they should be able to do
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  9. Wiens are you serious? Kage is spot on with pretty much his entire post. You play a spellweaving pvm tamer that does no pvp at all... how are you going to talk to active pvpers about whats broke and whats not?
     
  10. Mervyn

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    there's little wrong with pvp at the moment, it's more balanced than it's ever been.

    Although i'll agree that prepatch pets should be fixed. But they are bugs more than anything else
     
  11. You must play a bestial suit dp stealther then... It is impossible to kill anyone 1v1 in a bestial suit... they simply run off and wait for there mana to regen until the RNG favors them enough so they kill you. Dread mares really need a slayer or a cap in pvp. Devs need to fix the speed bugged pets (there is a tamer on ATL with a speed bugged dragon that is just stupid strong). DP is so OP that it is unreal. Something needs to be done about specs in PvP I have had a dexxer chain 7 specs in a row on me DP,AI,AI,DP,AI,AI and never run out of mana. 4/6 chivers with DP carrying those soul charge shields are insane because it lets them never run out of mana. There is so much broke with pvp it is unreal...
     
  12. Winker

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    No he plays with pixies and spell plague. Only thing he does is cast spell Plague and shout all kill over and over. So as long as that works he does not care if the rest is broken :banana:
     
  13. Mervyn

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    True Story
     
  14. Yeah that figures lol. After reading some of his previous pvp post I have no doubt that is exactly what he does.
     
  15. Mervyn

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    Yeah Mervyn clearly has no idea how to play a mage so his opinions on pvp are moot.

    No mage skills whatsoever, on any of his chars

    Mervyn would probably lose to any other mage lvl.
     
  16. Vyal

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    If none beside me have complained about the riding swipe bug then they don't pvp enough. & It's a real problem if you get riding swiped & can't remount until you heal your mount all the way & if it dies or you die you still can't mount it till it's fully healed. It's a bug & if any of the things on the list get fixed it should be that. The pre patch dogs I don't have a problem with there is actually a market for them in the game so deleting them would ruin that market. If your lucky enough to have one thats cool & I got no problems, only a total noob cries about getting killed by pets anyhow. But the riding swipe is another story & it would not screw anything up to fix it.

    The only way to combat the riding swipe bug is to make sure you hit that trap box fyi. But it still needs fixed.
     
  17. Mervyn

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    Vyal, this is not a bug, this is working as intended. This is what riding swipe actually IS, as apposed to a normal dismount.

    I don't know why you guys are complaining about dexxers, easy kills
     
  18. Vyal

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    It's supposed to be so that if your pet dies you still can't mount it? & if you die and rez you still can't mount your mount?
    C'mon I don't think that's working as intended.

    It's one thing to have to heal it ok.. But if it dies that flag should be wiped from the pet, and if the owner of the pet dies the flag should also be wiped. It's a bug plain and simple. Some dip **** dev forgot to add some code in to clear the timers if certain events happen.
     
  19. Mervyn

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    So... if they made the death of the pet wipe the flag, and someone redlined my war horse after it was riding swiped, I could then just kill it and res it and mount without having to heal it and get a safe getaway?

    There's nothing wrong with how it works, you get hit with riding swipe, you must heal your mount before riding. Simple
     
  20. Vyal

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    I don't expect you to understand the impact of this bug dude. I highly doubt you even play a swordsman. Let alone ever get hit with hit. I know how to avoid it but in the rare case I do it's a extreme pain to fight 5 people attacking you still manage to rez your DEAD mount then still have to heal it all the way up with 0 vet.
    & the biggest problem is when this happens when your on a warhorse that has 350hp and you have 0 vet.

    People that use riding swipe should not have such a unfair advantage over other people.
     
  21. Mervyn

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    I'm going to give other people the opportunity to point out what was wrong with that last statement.
     
  22. PJay

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    Wow Simply amazing?

    Riding swip the major pvp destroyer who'd have thought!

    In honesty this is no issue whatsoever infact if your last statement happened id be more worried about 5 people on me than my damn pet.

    Ive been the victim of this attack and well i didnt die and it didnt bother me and now we have splinttering on weps its brought into perspective.

    The only thing in the OP's post which id agree on is poisoning its over powered right now also pets shouldnt be used at all in pvp.

    And Btw Mervyn is the best pvp mage period not a single person can challenge him on Europa.
     
  23. No one can challenge him on Europa because all the Europa pvpers quit (Dan, Chaz, Icecast, Blazing...) There is a easy way around riding swipe though... simply dismount then remount your horse. I never had an issue avoiding getting dismounted by anything besides a stealth archer. Also PJ if you dont agree that bestial suits is OP then you've never fought a ninja bush stealther in one. nervestrike, deathstrike, disarm nervestrike AI AI. if the RNG fails them smokebomb, regen mana rinse and repeat until the RNG lets there combo go through.
     
  24. Goldberg-Chessy

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    Methinks that somebody does not understand the meaning of the words "OVER POWERED"

    At best the Bestial suit does nothing but allow someone to run away and/or live a little longer.
    This is overpowered how? Who or what is it overpowering exactly?

    Correct me if I am wrong but in the short history of the Besdtial suit has ANYONE ever said anything like "damn, I was just overpowered by that guys Bestial suit" Uhh, no.

    The Bestial suit is in fact underpowered.

    But I guess the OP(and most of the other Bestial haters)feels overpowered because now when he spams sleep or plague and says "all kill" all his targets dont drop dead on his screen in 4 seconds.
    Cry me a river.
     
  25. Raptor85

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    Bestial suit's exact problem is it allows people to leave the fight when they get low, avoid the faction kill + statloss and hop right back once they've healed up, it doesnt make them a stronger attacker just makes them nearly impossible to finish off, so unless they REALLY screw up (like go into battle without smokebombs) it's pointless to fight someone in one.

    Thankfully they're too expensive to be common use on siege.
     
  26. Widow Maker

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    NNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

    Do not let this dev team EVER touch anything to do with Fel, EVER again. Wait until they all quit or are fired and hope the next team can fix everything these kids broke.

    Bestial suits.... all that can ever be said for those is...WTF!!! were you thinking??
     
  27. Widow Maker

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    Goldie!! I love ya brother but you have lost your everlovin' mind. Aside from Pub 16..this is the single most damaging major screwup to EVER hit Fel and PvP.
     
  28. Widow Maker

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    No-one backed you up. There is a reason for it. Think about that.

    Good job son.. :next:
     
  29. kelmo

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    I will go next... Knock it off. This thread has already been shut down once.
     
  30. Personally I think ninja is the most damaging thing that has ever happened to pvp. Animal form is pretty stupid but not crazy but smoke bombs are what really break it. Next to that would be bestial suits, then dread mares (they really need a slayer). Although I honestly want to take my bane dragon out now but havent got around to training him after the nox changes.
     
  31. Kage

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    Yes it has and I did my part like Petra asked of me so please don't lock this thread. I respectfully ask just clean it up if needed I have no control of other posters making negatively comments directed at the devs or torward other members of this forum.
     
  32. kelmo

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    Understood Kage. *nods*
     
  33. kelmo

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    Oddly enough Kage. I am on yer side here. On the Fel does not need fixed sort of way... PvP on the other hand does. In my humble opinion.

    Adding more math is just wrong. Remember when PvP was fun?
     
  34. Kage

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    Yes I do remember when it was fun long long ago sadly.
     
  35. kelmo

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    And Scrubs like me had a chance on a good day. I would fight against many on Siege... Then super pets and super templates started happening.

    Same thing happened to a lot of fun things. Magic The Gathering, the card game springs to mind.

    That was an awesome game to begin with. The folks getting paid to keep it rolling decided that making it more complex would spark interest and more sales.

    Remember when Magic cards were for sale everywhere? They are hard to find now. Just saying.

    More complex does not equal more fun.
     
  36. kelmo

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    Catering to the PvP crowd will not fix PvP.
     
  37. popps

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    Well, as I see it, PvP cannot be fixed because the "itemization" of Ultima Online has been pushed way too much.

    To my opinion, that is what happens when a game gets taken into the "items" mania. Once the game shifts the focus from skills to items and modifiers, in order to maintain players' interest in the game more items and more modifers need to be added over time.

    This, eventually, as I see it, brings the game with way too many items and modifiers to be able to keep them all balanced with each other.

    And if PvP fighting is not balanced, well, then we see cries from players asking to fix PvP.....

    Personally, I would prefer Ultima Online to make a shift and go back taking focus away from items and modifiers and bring it back to skills, real skills, mind you, not item points skills........

    It could be done, for example, adding some special moves, which could really make a difference in a fight, that only trigger when a certain real skill is present. Even better, add special moves that "cut deep into the fights" (i.e. can really make one win a fight or get an upper hand...) if one has a combination of 120 in real skills in 2, 3 or even more skills.

    That's at least how I see it.
     
  38. Lord X

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    Riding swipe sucks against a garg. You can get killed, rez up and have to be full life before being able to fly. Kinda a pain if your trying to get back into the fight by rezzing at a wandering healer.
     
  39. Petra Fyde

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    There are two types of 'fix pvp' posts. The genuinely concerned ones and the 'I can't beat this template, you have to nerf it' posts. The second type need to be ignored, but how do the devs tell one from the other?
    By you being really clear about what is wrong and explaining carefully why it's wrong, without 'board pvping' the devs. Trash talking folk you want help from isn't really useful.
    If someone were to ask me about something on Stratics site and insulted me as they did it, my attitude would be 'fine, find it yourself'. I don't help people who attack me. Do you?
    Keep it factual, keep it constructive, if possible suggest feasible adjustments, leave out the personal attacks.
     
  40. Orgional Farimir

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    The majority of the Iphone games are like that. You down load the free version and it is awsome, then you get the 1st update and it really sucks becasuse of the changes..... At least they haven't updated Sky Burger yet.
     
  41. PJay

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    Bestial suit is only as OP as Pots or animal form.

    I dont see it as a problem at all and if u know how it works u can quite easily beat it.

    I see Animal form as a larger problem because it cannot be interupted and 80% of players weaken there templates just to fit ninja in. Even when it was purgable to remove it was tough.

    With re forging available i should think people will seriously consider using these suits anyway.

    Everything here is totally worthless though while scripting and speed hacks are widely used.
     
  42. Mervyn

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    No one bothered to correct him, as clearly if he doesn't realise he can res a warhorse without vet he's not worth wasting peoples valuable board pvp time. Myself included.
     
  43. Vyal

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    What good is it to need 0 vet to rez a warhorse but need vet to heal it? After being hit with a riding swipe & you rez up in factions and your sitting there with 0 vet trying to joat chiv heal your 350hp warhorse with bad karma with 5 dif members trying to kill you. It's a bug dude & go back and read what I said before you start a ramble about what I did not say.

    If you pet dies the flag needs to get wiped, if you die and logout and your pet gets stabled the flag need's wiped - If the designers are going to make it care bear land where pets get stabled if you logout dead then it should also wipe the riding swipe flag. If you die as a gargoyle you should not rez and need to heal yourself fully to fly - again the flag should be wiped.

    The bug here is the flags are not getting cleared properly when events happen.
     
  44. Mervyn

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    I don't know what your template is, but it clearly sucks as it doesn't have magery. Trying using skill to win rather than the RNG.
     
  45. Vyal

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    No magery? I have characters on nearly every shard & alot of them are mages.
    Your trolling is telling me you have no clue wth your talking about. You don't even know that it's a bug dude. & your sitting here trying saying it's working as intended when it isn't. Don't act like your some pvp pro because I can tell your not what I worry about is the thousands of other nubs on these forums that will simply say o it works don't change it. If anything needs fixed in pvp I would start with the riding swipe flag bug. & with your posts your taking minds off the problem.

    I been around since the game started & had I not got my beta account stolen by a broker site I would still have a beta account. I know a bug when I see a bug.
     
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    riding swipe: you must heal your pet before mounting.

    Explain the bug. So far you've failed to do this as it's not bugged. Making out that i'm trolling is not helping your argument.
     
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  49. Vyal

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    Read my posts Im not going to explain the bug for a 5th time to you seriously wth is your problem.
     
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    Can't you just animal form once you're riding swiped?

    I'd use a bardiche any day over a no-daichi.. especially given how many clowns run ninja on every build nowadays.

    But I do like Kage, even though he sounds southern.