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Forget About Stygian Abyss...

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Richtor Darkbane, Aug 6, 2008.


What should the team focus on right now?

  1. The development of Stygian Abyss.

  2. Developing more effective ways to track and solve duplications.

  3. Other. (Please Explain In A Reply)

  1. [size=+2]The #1 priority of the team should be the improvement of the tracking of duplicated items and the eradications of all duplicated items and bugs to create them![/size]

    Forget all game content updates and expansions! The #1 priority of the team should be the improvement of the tracking of duplicated items and the eradications of all duplicated items and bugs to create them. Who cares about any content or expansions in a game where you can't buy or sell anything for fear of being banned for duping, not to mention the impact on the economy. Yes many many duplicator accounts were netted with the current method, which I like the call "fishing with dynamite", but some innocent players were also harmed due to this method. If just one single innocent account is banned, your defeating the purpose of banning in the first place, which is supposed to be to protect the innocent players. Let's face it, the bannings don't really effect the big dupers, the ones who know what they are doing, I'm sure they had new dummy accounts ready to go before Monday.

    No I wasn't banned, but after reading all these threads of folks that were (and yes I know not all claiming to be innocent are) it makes me think;

    "No my account wasn't banned this time, but what about when the next hot dupe comes along? Maybe you or I won't be so lucky, and end up on the receiving end of an unjustified ban in which no amount of dispute forms can help you."

    I'm curious to see if EA-Mythic is going to stick with this 'Banned Now - Dispute Later' mentality, or are they going to put the time and resources into actually fixing the problem right so that this kind of thing won't happen again.
  2. Kaj

    Kaj Lore Keeper
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    Dec 23, 2007
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    Personally I'd rather see the dev power focused on new events, bugs (duping!), better crafting aspects and things to improve the current things in UO, than add yet another dungeon, another few super bosses and so on.

    We have so many dungeons and monsters that are barely used/visited I don't think a new super dungeon will be improve the game a lot.
  3. PoCove

    PoCove Guest

    I agree with you Kaj .. I dont play in the dungeons very as it is ... So DO THE DUPERS IN ...
  4. Vor

    Vor Grand Inquisitor
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    Nov 2, 2003
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    I've no idea how big the dev team is these days.. but surely its not yet small enough that all of them have to focus on one thing.
  5. Speetz13

    Speetz13 Guest

    From what it seems, not by their actions but just what they and people say, it actually is. At least only on a few things, one or two...Idk correct me if I'm wrong.

    In fact why don't they or someone answer that question real quick? How BIG (or little) is the UO team? Anyone know?
  6. #1. Dupes and preferably a way for players to know an item is a dupe (wierd glow, item stats are orange hued, etc).

    #2. Bugs. Oldest reported to newest reported. Stacking issues ... how long have they been around? The insurance bug ... that has happened to players in Tram and Fel rulesets. It's happened to me 3 times.

    #3. In parallel - events, new content, MOB (de)buffs. What-evuh! I'd love to see more overland variety of foe, heavier and more spawn areas - all facets.
  7. Sam the Scribe

    Sam the Scribe Visitor

    Mar 10, 2007
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    Im not sure why they would focus on any one task. Continue developing Stygian Abyss, and improving the KR client for long-term projects.

    It already seems that they are giving us the attention we have asked for regarding duped items. Of course now folks don't like how that worked out, but that doesn't change the fact that they listened and took action.

    Lots of folks like in-game events and they devs have been doing a lot with those lately as well.

    Overall, just keep moving forward...

    It seems to me that the devs can't win no matter what they do. I'm just glad they are devoted to the game and they keep on trying.

    Safe Travels, Sam
  8. phantus

    phantus Stratics Legend
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    Jun 11, 2003
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    They need to finish SA.

    They need to revamp crafting and looting to reduce the effect of duping.

    It can be done.
  9. natfbrazil

    natfbrazil Guest

    We need better support of the seas, boats, fishing and arrr.... pirates!
  10. GalenKnighthawke

    GalenKnighthawke Grand Poobah
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    May 12, 2008
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    The #1 priority of the team should be to cause complaints about no new content, and to cause bannings that'll cause more complaints.


    -Galen's player
  11. love2winalot

    love2winalot Guest

    Finish SA? Don't you mean, Start working on SA? In case some missed it, a, "Blue Board" repersents a BLANK board. Let's face it, the only reference ever made by EA regarding SA said it was to be KR only. This was well over a year ago. We all know what will happen if it really is KR only. Well all know what will happen as far as ever getting new players into the game if they go 2d only. How long can you run 2 different clients for the same game?

    No matter what, there is no one decision that everyone will like. So, what is the lessor of 2 evils?
  12. Gildar

    Gildar Babbling Loonie
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    Apr 22, 2004
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    Client issues hindering gameplay - recall crashes, large container crashes, animal form crashes, missing artwork, blocking tiles that aren't supposed to be blocking... for both clients.

    Performing some kind of a balance pass to reduce the need for difficult/time-consuming to obtain items.

    Additional event content to keep people having fun while the above are fixed.

    Adjustments to factions to give the casual player more of a reason to participate instead of just larger organizations of players.
  13. Unfortunately there will be complaints no matter what they do, but in my opinion if we/they have to suffer through some complaints to properly fix an issue like this in the game, it will be worth it in the long run. Also there is ALOT of content in the game now, I'm sure you could find something to do in the game to occupy your time, and if people get bored in game they can always come complain here on stratics :lol: . But seriously, the value in playing a game where people are running around duping, or innocent players can get banned just for buying/finding duped items is nil. Just remember it could be you next time, in the past few weeks did you buy any artifacts, spring cleaning tickets, or powerscrolls? What if you woke up tomorrow and found out people were duping these items, and your account is banned, all you did was buy an item, you had no idea about the latest dupe....right?

    Just trying to make a point...
  14. RenaLynne

    RenaLynne Guest

    Better in game assistance:thumbsup:
  15. drinkbeerallday

    drinkbeerallday Visitor

    Jun 4, 2008
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    meaningful felucca content and p versus p
  16. Chad Sexington

    Chad Sexington Lore Master
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    Jul 3, 2008
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    I voted Stygian Abyss.

    Stretch out the length of time between expansions to work on all the dupes and cheats. Don't stop them altogether. If they rolled out SA tomorrow, I wouldn't complain if it took another 3 years before the next expansion (a.k.a. Pirate Expansion).

  17. Actually, it shouldnt be one area or the other. Whats interesting is we (as a group) tend to polarize and over simplify things.

    EA provides entertainment. We pay for it.

    A good game should have great game play.

    Now why does great game play have to fall into picking a specific area.

    They should concentrate on customer service
    They should fix the dupe and exploits
    They should patch their mistakes
    They should add game content

    If a company can only really select one of them. And if making one a priority makes the others unachievable till they become a priority, then the game/game company is in trouble.

    All of them should be addressed. Yeah I know. Well if they haven't done it, what makes you think they will.

    They all have to be addressed and the company needs to supply the game with resources. That is developers and the lot to fully address the needs of the game.

    Does UO have that? I dont know.

    But I can tell you the event is pretty fun, the 25k ticket ease sucked the life out of it, so hopefully it gets back on track. And SA is a must out of sheer need for more to do. The guilds are be worked on. Duping was addressed. Patches are coming. Sound like a lot is being addressed.

    Do the have the resources they need? I dont know. Whats not being addressed, customer service. Account protection.
  18. Tek

    Tek Seasoned Veteran
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    May 19, 2008
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    Here’s what Id like –

    1) Fix current bugs / issues that are causing most grief ie duping
    2) Release SE expansion pack – Modain’s Legacy was released 3 years ago this month, that means there’s been no real growth, advertisement or product for new players since.
    3) Continue work on KR client – it’s been 2 years this month since its development was announced and still not fully ‘completed’
  19. Spree

    Spree Babbling Loonie
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    Mar 13, 2004
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    I don't care about the first 2
    1] there is no duping on Siege and 2] SE who cares

    I vote 3] fix rot and get rid of greater dragons
  20. Speetz13

    Speetz13 Guest

    How is there no duping on siege? There were dupes that had nothing to do with xfers and someone there got banned for it, so why do ou think that? The only reason their is less is because their are less people I'm assuming.

    And you guys on siege aren't the only people who play UO. And if you don't let some more of the playerbase, however whiny they arfe, and yes they can be sometimes, if not most of the time, then there won't be a UO, or Siege.

    Not trying to be mean just pointing it out.
  21. Uriah Heep

    Uriah Heep Crazed Zealot
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    May 26, 2008
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    Done! ;)
  22. Dermott of LS

    Dermott of LS UOEC Modder
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    May 12, 2008
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    Other: Complete Kingdom Reborn, or at the very least, start pounding away at that "scary" bug list. There have been several significant bugs that have ben fixed thanks to the efforts of player-modders, however there are many many more that need to be tackled by the devs.
  23. Harb

    Harb Guest

    Richtor, we all need a new game on store shelves, it's the primary means of bringing players into the game, and money makes EA happy. However, one of the failings over time has been prioritizing bringing people into the game and consequently neglecting areas needing improvement that send just as many or more out of the game. It can't really be an either/ or scenario. KR has to be fixed, probably first. Items need coding that prevents duping or at a minimum enables rapid detection/ tracking/ banning. Bugs need fixed. The economy is in shambles. Yeah, I'd like to see all this done yesterday, but aside from simply the content, it behooves us all to see SA hit store shelves ASAP.
  24. Sargon

    Sargon Seasoned Veteran
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    Mar 11, 2004
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    I agree that the dev team should put Stygian Abyss aside, but in addition to fixing dups/bugs I think they need to re-dedicate themselves to finishing the KR client. UO needs a stable game client that can be promoted and potentially attract new customers.
  25. Maplestone

    Maplestone Crazed Zealot
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    Jul 26, 2008
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    There are a lot of demands of developer time ... a lot of balls in the air. I don't like strategies that say "throw all resources at A" then "throw all resources at B" ... it means that things tend to suddenly get dropped half-finished when something else becomes a higher priority.

    Also, duupers are the extreme end of a continuum of balance problems that goes through scripting and camping. If you managed to stop all future duping dead, the collector's playstyle would still suffer from the next most unpleasant twisting of the game.

    I would prefer a part of any publish/expansion be devoted to security and balance in the game's economy, focusing on how the evolve the database, drop mechanics and server/client protocols. But I can't agree with a drop-everything approach ... the game is still about more than just the stuff.
  26. Slightly edited ... but you're right ... both of you.
  27. phantus

    phantus Stratics Legend
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    Jun 11, 2003
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    If they go with the original plan for SA it would be both. Sadly enough, if they drop the KR only tag then there is no hope for the new client and they may as well just end it.
  28. Evilminion

    Evilminion Guest

    My vote is for more live events! :D Having a new dungeon would be nice, but I'd actually prefer having new reasons to go to the older dungeons. Since the introduction of 10th anniversary arties, I've rediscovered the fun of my two favorite anti-virtue dungeons, and the royal council murder quest sent me running all over in search of clue... for my money, that's just what I want in a game. :)
  29. the 4th man

    the 4th man Lore Master
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    Jul 31, 2005
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    They can do both.
  30. o2bavr6

    o2bavr6 Slightly Crazed
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    May 13, 2008
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    I personally would prefer to see them spend their time on correcting every bug and balancing out PvP before they release another poorly written update riddled with it's own bugs.
  31. Jirel of Joiry

    Jirel of Joiry Certifiable
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    Feb 2, 2004
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    I voted other...Why? Because I'd like to see the bugs fixed and the dupers get theirs. however what I'd like more that anything is REAL customer support both in game and by phone! As it is now you can get better customer support from a fortune cookie! Its flustrating when you can't kill a monster because its stuck in a wall or you have to abandon your favorite pet because its stuck and GM won't help.

    the only expansion i wanna see ...UO THE CUSTOMER SERVICE EXPANSION!!! Woot!
  32. I agree we need to expand player base and lets face it EA needs to make cash or there is no UO, but I feel like we need to restore the integrity of the game and fix the current major problems before introducing new content with it's own set of new problems.
  33. I hadn't noticed.
  34. Radun

    Radun Guest

    doesn't UO actually have 2 dev teams?
    unless they've made changes while i wasn't paying attention, there's a dev team for bugs and updates... and another completely seperate team for expansions.
  35. RoseBlue

    RoseBlue Seasoned Veteran
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    May 25, 2008
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    I voted "other".
    as i'm on a break now, can't even say why :lol::lol:

    (pls click my eggs :danceb:)
  36. Thank you for the relevant insight you contributed to the thread, but may I ask what your eggs have to do with the subject at hand? :bored: