k so, if you have real skill stealthing, no problem. i have a new guy, has 20 real skill then with ring and watch and shadow legs and burglars bandana and cloak and in rat form gets him up over 100...... but he cant stealth. cant even take one step without popping out. so i went out of rat form, still cant take even one step. so i started to take off all the +stealth stuff, still cant even take one step. its like even with being + up with items it looks to check the first pass off of real skill. strange?