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Get rid of Murderer Status

Discussion in 'UHall' started by drinkbeerallday, Aug 6, 2008.

  1. drinkbeerallday

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    Why do we even need it? Everyone knows the count-burning blues are actually worse. Being Red or Blue has nothing to do with the character of the person behind the keyboard. It is arbitrary since now we have Trammel and Felucca.

    Just make everyone blue in Felucca and keep the crim rules or modify them slightly to suit the new rule.
     
  2. burnttrees

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    i like the idea of getting rid of reds and just makeing fel a pvp zone and not penalizing players due to the fact of the play style or just keep the reds and give them the ability to goto tramel with the tram ruleset
     
  3. love2winalot

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    Reds should have access to the entire game world, just like everyone one else. My Red account pays the same $ per month as my blue account does. Or i could just spend years burning off 1134 counts, hehehe
     
  4. Radun

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    not gonna happen
     
  5. Stucky

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    While we're at it lets give murderers a fruitbasket everytime they kill someone :violin:
     
  6. love2winalot

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    Is the fruit basket gonna be blessed, or uninsurable, because since that all i could get, i would just rather steal it.........hehe
     
  7. drinkbeerallday

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    fine i don't think blues should be able to burn off counts then. murder counts should be permanent.
     
  8. Tazar

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    So much for the virtues this game was founded upon.....
     
  9. ShaunOfPac

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    Or we could just make all zones Fellucca ruleset, like the game was before UO:R, back when it was highly populated and exciting. Trammel was the beginning of the end for the game, its only gone downhill since its introduction.
     
  10. drinkbeerallday

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    yeah, so much for them when a blue can behave like more of a criminal/murderer than a red yet still be blue.

    they should either make everyone blue, or make murder counts mean something by making them permanent.
     
  11. Tazar

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    Either way, there is a "cost" to negative actions.... either you stay red and pay the price that way, or you sit for hours on end trying to burn off that last count....

    But I still firmly believe that there should be a cost to negative actions.
     
  12. Nylan

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    If you want your red to come to trammel use soul stones to switch your skills or quit playing a murderer.
    Not all that hard.
    Reds have their place and they have chosen it.

    And UO has managed to stay around longer with trammel than it was without it.
     
  13. Radun

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    real reds don't want to be blue or go to luna.
     
  14. Agreed

    ~Blade
     
  15. Dermott of LS

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    Or we could just make all zones Fellucca ruleset

    Siege is that way...
     
  16. burnttrees

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    how about we just make malas fel ruleset :flame: sad fact is people want the rule sets to stay the same :bdh: but are not willing to make any compromise and think because someone who is red should be banished :loser: i personaly do not play pvp i have thought about it in the past but never have as for blue pvpers being worse i do have an idea what they are talking about and truthfully if someone wants to hide behind a pretty blue tag and say they are inoccent :lame: then fine but i have to give respect to those who are not going to hide and would rather be seen for there TRUE color :bowdown:
     
  17. Ash

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    If reds should have access to the entire game then power scrolls need to drop in Ilsh champ spawns.
     
  18. Kaleb

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    QFT

    No to not havin reds.
     
  19. Maximus Neximus

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    If people can raid and kill other players then I would be ok with it. I still think that Ilsh should drop Alacrity (whatever they are) or some kind of minor artifacts that could work towards a turn in ala Tokuno.
     
  20. Salty Pete

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    Felucca isn't about PvP. It's about preserving the last bits of the original game. I understand that your typical PvP fan likes the rule set there, but for the love of god stop ****ing up the last best parts of the game for those people.

    Just a few things I can think of that have been ruined in Felucca for the PvPers...

    - Thievery
    - The dungeons
    - T2A
    - Looting
    - All of the places we can't visit thanks to that craptacular factions system
     
  21. Crow

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    It's a lot harder to stay blue then simply go red.

    And if you think people who macro off counts to stay blue are really following the virtues, then LOL @ you.

    I think it would be interesting to allow reds in tram, and allow them to be attacked at any time, anywhere...I've actually thought in the past that would be fun during Halloween, or some other type of event.

    Problem with that is it would continue to kill what is left of fel, and make Siege even less attractive to everyone.

    What would be nice is more reason to be in fel, and some lands actually being added to fel...when was the last time? T2A?
     
  22. dum3886

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    Why should Powerscrolls spawn in Ilsh champ spawns. We are saying stop descriminiating against Reds by now letting them access lands others are able to. they r PHYSICALLY unable to.

    You cowards who "can't get scrolls" DO have access to powerscrolls it just happens that u are to scared or too weak to get them. There is no inbuilt game code that stops u from trying to get them.

    Completely different. 1 is you are actually unable to get (impossible).
    the other is you are unwilling to challenge urself (not impossible).
     
  23. Redxpanda

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    Since we are talking about things that will never happen :coco: Let's bring back stat loss and stop rewarding murderers and encouraging hording. Also, let's make PvP completely voluntary no matter which facet you are on. Then reds can go anywhere they want to.:thumbsup:
     
  24. Eslake

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    No, REAL Reds don't even play on shards that Have luna. ;)



    No one is ever going to take a post seriously that complains about Trammel.
    Because playing on a shard that even Has Trammel is a Choice.



    Murderer status isn't going anywhere. They aluded to a change to the murder system in development, but it sounded more like it would be more costly to go red, not less.

    I would love to see them put a time limit on giving counts tho.
    There's something not quite right about a scripter getting home 6 hours after you kill their character and Then giving you a count.
    IMO by the time you're blue again, it should be too late to get a count.
     
  25. Krystal

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    leave reds alone! i like being red. but we should deff have the same advantages as blues. like using virtues and being able to rez at any healer! :thumbsup:
     
  26. FrejaSP

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    Agree, I too like my color.

    There should be downs for being red but they should make sense.

    -Can be attacked everywhere is fine
    -Red pets are fine
    -Players becoming grey from healing/ressing reds are fine
    -Reds can't buy from npc and factions vendors are fine
    -Reds fieldspells will attack not green is fine
     
  27. Berym

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    That... doesn't make much sense, really.
     
  28. Shanna

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    I think the advantages and disadvantages to having a red and/or a blue bring some challenge.
    When raiding with a red, you just go in and kill, kill, KILL! (Orderly fashion with your guild though :p )
    When raiding with a blue, you need to make sure you don't have too many counts and try to attack the red protectors, and, well you get the picture.

    On the other hand, having a blue, you have the guard zone, trammel, and other blues second guessing whether or not to attack you.

    There are other advantages and disadvantages but those were the ones I usually keep in mind.

    By the way...

    It wouldn't make sense if reds could use the virtues. They are virtueless murderers.
     
  29. trammelite

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    i share the opinion, that true reds dont care to be red. its the blues that have murder counts who demand this change. it is not right to kill innocent. this message is important for all of us and the murder status is the last defense line for honorable playstyle in this game or at least, live and let live.
    come on - we can have seven char slots. do you have not a single blue char left ?

    and for sure, as long as groups of stealth-dismounters are camping the dungeon entrance for what they think is funny, we surely need the murder count system.
    :talktothehand:

    btw - i dont have a single count on 14 chars/two accounts and enjoy the game since 4+ years.
     
  30. Wrong. Trammel is the reason the game is still here. If everyone that stayed on the Trammel side of the moongate were to up and quit the game right now, the ones that were left would be getting their 30 day notice of the game shutting down. I know you don't WANT to believe this, but the simple fact is that it's true. You can play the denial game all you want, but denial is bad for your blood pressure. :coco:
     
  31. Playing UO, and in doing so, going to Fel and working champ spawns, has nothing to do with bravery or courage in RL.

    It's a game man. Just a game. It's also just a playstyle choice.

    And btw, just to head off your next asshat comment, I'm very adamant about keeping PS's in Fel, and have debated that point for several years now.
     
  32. FrejaSP

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    I think you right, it's the ones who want to kill without going red who want this changes. The true reds love their color.
    The ones who ask for changes want to go to Felucca and gank and then run home to Trammel to PvM for items.

    The game would lose something if we dropped the red color, I rather saw player become red first time they kill. Players should feel safe among other blues.
    I do however think reds should be able to go to other facets
    All should be able to attack a red but a blue attacking/looting a red in trammel zone should be orange to all reds for 1 hour.
    Reds should only be able to attack orange and green in Trammel zone.
     
  33. FrejaSP

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    I don't like to make Felucca a PvP zone, I like to keep Felucca close to the spirit of old UO.

    I don't think non PvP'ers should be forced to go to Felucca to get powerscrolls, it should be the freedom and risk that draw player to Felucca.

    I agree reds should be able to go to Trammel zone but they should not be safe there and they should not be able to kill innocent there.

    Making them attackable in Trammel zone will stop them from hiding there but we would still have a problem with the noto PK's who want to kill without being red.

    To make blue in Trammel zone think 2 times before attacking a lonely red I would add some risk to them too.

    A blue attacking/looting a red in Trammel zone will become orange to all reds for an hour. Healing/buffing a blue fighting a red would make you orange to all reds for an hour too.

    Anyone true blue would not be effected of this, they would still be 100% safe in Trammel zone.
     
  34. Shamus Turlough

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    QFT. I worked my butt off to get my murder counts. My red is 8 years old and even with the AOS count-wipe he has over 2000. I consider that an accomplishment. Only thing I miss is the comraderie that reds used to share. I just watched the movie Wanted last night. I miss the fraternity of assassins that used to pretty much rule LS with an iron fist. Those of you who played and were red pre-ren will know what I mean.
     
  35. drinkbeerallday

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    t2a came before Trammel and back then there was no Felucca or Trammel.

    so nothing has been added to Felucca ever.
     
  36. drinkbeerallday

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    so really the blues are also "virtueless" murderers. this my point. thanks for pointing out the hypocrisy of it plain as day.

    i think permanent murder counts would be a good solution to this problem. if you really want to be a blue and not murder people, good for you. if you want to be a sneaky murdering blue i think you should be red instead.

    i don't see what the problem is here.
     
  37. trammelite

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    quote:
    i think permanent murder counts would be a good solution to this problem.

    i somehow disagree, since you being blue could receive counts from "removing blue helpers" during a champ spawn raid battle. permanent murder counts would punish someone for just defending then for the rest of his inGame life. not good.
     
  38. o2bavr6

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    Sorry but that went out the window with AoS.

    Being red these days is nothing more than a fashion statement.

    I think when anyone enters Fel they should turn red or orange. If you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen. ( This in reality would probably hurt Fel since most blues are gate hugging pansies. If they knew they would be red when entering Fel they wouldnt come at all.)

    I've said it before that Red should be alowed in Tram, but they should have to follow the Tream ruleset. Meaning a blue can not attack a red in Tram. If you want to PvP join a faction or go to Fel.

    Also there are more virtueless Blues in Fel than there are Reds. At least with a red you know what you get.

    And yes I would like to at least see something done to the Non-Spawn dungeons in Fel to attract more players. Adding more land would be nice, but they could easily use some of the empty dungeons to spice things up.

    I personally think that every dungeon in the game shold have some sort of Peerless monster in it, because the way it stands today their is absolutely no reason to go to a dungeon in Fel other than Chanp spawsn.

    The loot on Ogre Lords, Wyrms, Ancient Wyrms, G-Dragons, Succubi, Liche Lords, Balrons, and any other high end monster I left out is non-existant and makes the killing of these creatures pointless.
     
  39. FrejaSP

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    You could do spawn on a red if you want to kill blue or if it goes wrong and you become red, you could get 7 soulstones and a new set of power scrolls and move all skills to the stones, delete the char and start over as blue, eat scrolls and move skills back.

    Anyone who have a problem with being red can do that.
     
  40. Landicine

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    Part of me thinks these threads are a waste of time. There are probably better ways the dev team could spend its time with relation to Felucca and pvp.

    On the other hand, it would amuse me to see every murderer become blue. Someone mentioned that being red is a fashion statement. Watching every red become blue would be like forcing a group of goths to wear pink or Red Sox fans to wear Yankees caps. The image will make me laugh all day. Thank you.
     
  41. CroakerTnT

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    Just get rid of guards and trammel.
     
  42. Beefybone

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    I never had any reds, but I say go ahead and ditch the entire murder count system and make everyone blue. Felucca isn't some thriving land where evil murderers prey upon innocent civilians until their red status forces them into exile, or any sort of "quit being that way ten years ago" crap. Felucca is the PVP zone. Period. Giving people character penalties for initiating combat too many times in the PVP zone is just stupid.
     
  43. o2bavr6

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    Heh, actually it should be the other way around, everyone who comes to Fel would be Red or Orange. No blues!
     
  44. Ash

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    Impossible, no, not even remotely because you have 5 char slots at least, therefore with each of them you have the possibility of making a char that can go to other facets. Stop crying about it cause you CHOOSE to play a red, you made the choice it wasn't forced upon you.

    And it isn't being a "coward", cause have gotten scrolls, just don't feel like rewarding the LAZY red that waits for all the work to be done then tries to kill me on the way out. And odd how it takes more than 2-3 of these "Brave" reds to kill a little old "coward" like me.

    So you want to go to the other facets, quit being lazy and make a char that can go and quit complaining that you are restricted as the choice was yours when you went red.
     
  45. FrejaSP

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    Says who? Did you play to much wow or other games with PvP zones?

    Just so you know, this game is Ultima Online
     
  46. Beefybone

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    Says who? Someone who's played a production shard in the last 8 years. In other words, not you. Also, I love this WoW inferiority complex on the part of all you ******* who don't want to admit that UO is an old dying game.
     
  47. Dol'Gorath

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    No. But I would be in favor of bringing back Faction reprieve that could be used every 3 or so months to entice "pvp'rs" into a proper pvp system rather than mindlessly killing people that don't want to pvp.
     
  48. FrejaSP

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    As a 8 years trammel player who want to use the last facet too. You never played before Trammes so how should you understand the game we speak about.

    Your avater[​IMG] make me think of fresh trammy meat in Felucca :p Should had been a lamb steak
     
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    What do you care? You play Siege. Siege players are always pancakes about production shard players pancakes about the Siege ruleset. Well, it works the other way around. As far as Production Vs. Siege they are 2 different games, I am tired of Siege-ers bashing Trammel. You have two whole shards without Tram why not stay there and leave everyone else alone with your not-able-to-adapt-after-8-years mentality?

    It's the same with the Anti-AOS crowd, it was 5 years ago F'king get over it and adapt already.
     
  50. FrejaSP

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    I care because all stupid changes will hit us too, if they changes anything on trammy shards we will get it too.
    Just look at our problems with stealth/ninja/tamers and greater dragons
    or what about stupid instance corpes, instance dungeons
    or stupid rules that stop us from rezzing our enemies or someone from a different alliance
    or private houses
    or all the other trammy crap we got.