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Gm ****

Discussion in 'UHall' started by jack flash uk, Nov 6, 2009.

  1. jack flash uk

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    Chrissay, i think you need to be made aware of this appalling service

    yesterday i reported a suspected script idoc timer, he was killed by a red and we watched with a necro, no log out, no gathering of clothes, no res

    when house changed to idoc a short time after, the ghost timed out

    this was reported, i explained to the said GM what was happening, i got the canned response that is so often used now days, instead if any action

    so the cheat has the fall time, and we watched another char script timing and it is now appant that there are 2 chars working together using script timers ghost cams etc

    nothing was done even though it was obvoius to ALL what was happeneing, and it is happening again today


    my guess is these are xshard chars as a group of us have never seen them before

    anyway, my help requests are getting cancelled by the GM instead of them taking action

    so EA Crissay, is this what you, or EA expect from GM's?

    what is the point of having a help service if it is not acted upon?

    can you just pls confirm that scripting is now legal so we can level the playing field,

    why can't EA patch the game EVERYDAY with a small code to STOP the well known script programs from working

    i must say the 2 weeks or so after SA came out were a real pleasure, as the scripters could not access game, why cant we have this 24/7

    such a shame


    my last help reply was a warning that if i continue to petition action may be used against me? WTF

    i am not using abusive language to the GM i am just trying to get something done. there is no time to waste here, the house will turn in a few hours, and like yesterday the cheats will get away with it

    if it is legal, man i could really do with this

    a bot to stealth around and find the idocs, mark them
    a bot to time the idoc fall time

    while i am at work, sure yes please

    if you cant beat them, join them

    say the word EA Crissay.................
     
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  3. jack flash uk

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    great thanks


    well i have a personal message already on stratics, best read that, some other method of keeping the complainer quiet i am sure, what you cant see cant hurt you etc............
     
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    The GM Review process really seems to work. I've only had to use it once, but I was satisfied with the result. Give it a try. :)
     
  5. jack flash uk

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    Then edit his name then, the problem still remains no matter how much you try to hide it
    he/she has no defence, completely useless and should be ashamed if that is "helping"

    the cheats win and EA do sod all becuase it is ALWAYS messed up by those that get paid to sort it, or swept under the carpet here by the like of you

    so how about we pretend all is rosy so EA Chrissay has nothing to do, the DEV's have nothing to do, the GM's continue to do nothing and the paying customers get stiffed some more

    sounds good
     
  6. lols

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    wow.. you really think you 'caught' someone don't you..

    I IDOC.. if I get killed checking time, I stay a ghost, no need to res, get killed, res get killed.. and I'll log out at the house dead and just log in early to res in the morning..

    Not EVERYONE is cheating..

    everyone is so quick to accuse others of cheating just because they could do things as "easy" as everyone else..

    If I were the GM I would have sent a canned response too..
     
  7. jack flash uk

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    Re: Gm ***

    Your right, not everyone is cheating, but we know the tell tale signs, as do pvp speedhackers, or pot throwers etc

    its all here reported and nothing gets done

    800 idoc done when you know , you KNOW, not just me of course, but others think so too

    2 "new" idocers that work like this, i am guessing have arrived from another shard

    you dont do this sort of thing over night, and for 3 years in europa we know whos who

    but thanks for your reply
     
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    I get accused of speed hacking on a west coast shard... The people that accuse me are on the east coast. People are quick to blame scripters when they get beat or someone else does better.
     
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    So you "caught" a "suspected" idoc scritper...

    They got pked and they stayed there to watch the house. After it went idoc they timed out. I don't see anywhere here that actually proves they are a scritper. Maybe they simply decided to just watch the house instead of having to get killed again. This really is horrible proof for them being a scripter.

    You paged and got a canned response. How do you know for sure that they didn't actually check on the player?

    This really just sounds like someone over-reacting. Or really just mad that someone else found their decaying house, lmao.
     
  10. jack flash uk

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    wrong, but thanks
     
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    it REALLY does.. my guild hits every IDOC on our shard, regardless of facet, and everyone accuses us of scripting and doing all kinds of crazy things.. fact is, we are good at running around, hovering over signs, recalling around to get times, it isn't rocket science.. there are a handful of us, we get the job done.. but people who don't have efficient systems in place always are quick to yell ''OMG CHEATERS!"

    pfft... laaame
     
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    Just like to say, the GM's could post here IF EA allowed them too. But becuase of EA's stupid terms of employment (and overdeveloped sense of commericalism (sp)) they are prohibitied. I always thought Stratics was independant of the software houses but here time and time again Stratics and its staff prohibit naming and shaming useless EA staff members. So, when did Stratics get paid from the houses to enforce thier rules? Just a shame stratics is the unoffical offical forums for UO, somewhere with a bit of guts and dedication to the game would have been nice.

    [/rant]
     
  13. H2O

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    GM reviews is a joke. All they ever send out is the exact same reply and it doesn't matter what it's about. Then again it is another GM that is looking into another GM who is their friend anyways. The person doing the review should never be another GM because of them begin friends.
     
  14. jack flash uk

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    can you please answer me this then

    the house we are watching refreshed 20 mins ago and the ghost is still there timing?

    you, as an honest player, and i have no reason to question or doubt that, would you still be there as a ghost looking at the sign?


    like i said, i know what i am talking about

    thanks
     
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    Ghosts allowed to check house signs for decay status? OMG its a cheat! :eyes:
     
  16. jack flash uk

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    check above
     
  17. Winker

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    In that case you should not allow any player/anyone to be named just in case they cant defend them self &/or don’t read the boards.

    But you don’t stick to this rule do you! You only up hold this when its a EA employee, which are not meant to have any sway here as stratics is meant to be a stand alone web site independent of EA or any other software house.

    Name them and shame them I say. I would go further and stick them in stocks at the town centre on a Saturday and let people pelt them with rotten food for bad customer service like this.
     
  18. Petra Fyde

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    Yes, actually, we do stick to this rule, countless times we have removed posts naming people as hackers or scammers and issued warnings or infractions for personal attacks.

    It's a rule I'm very conscious of, having been a victim of someone slurring my character's name by deliberately copying it for a mining bot.
     
  19. Winker

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    There is one now called PetraObjects mining right next to me now, funny eh!

    When i objected about being named here on a stratics post to you a few weeks back you did not see it as being an insutlt to me, i had to pull you up on other board rules to get the post removed.

    One rule for one and another rules for others i see.
     
  20. Petra Fyde

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    No, or at least not intentionally, sometimes it's a judgement call, and I'm human, my judgement can be flawed just the same as anyone else's. I'm usually willing to take a second look at something though.
    I do my best to be fair to all, it's not easy.
    Look at it from both sides.
    A calls B a name - A reports it, I try to decide 'is it a personal attack or just teasing?' If I decide 'yes' and move it B calls me a 'nazi' more often than not, if I decide 'no' and leave it 'A' declares I'm not doing my job.
    On the other hand, A thinks it's perfectly ok to respond to B with a like, or worse, attack and objects if I remove both.

    I, and most of my mods, are in a no win situation. We do our best.
     
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    What is lame to me is people posting on an alt. account on uhall to express their disdain of others who do not agree with cheating.
     
  22. Winker

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    I cant argue with that i guess
     
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    Dosnt explain why Stratics is sticking up for EA and its Staff who obviously dont do thier job, dont know what customer service is and/or who simply couldnt give a rats ass!

    No, personal insults etc should be moderated. But when you work for a company and your in its public eye... you SHOULD be named otherwise YOU are stopping OUR right of freespeech... Which this time is warrented as the Customer Service of EA and even more so the GM's of UO are USELESS.

    So no, name and shame them! Otherwise your just as bad as EA which as you dont get paid by EA... makes you alot worse in my book.

    Name the GM, make it public... get it sorted!

    [Edit] - By no means do I infer any of the DEV team in this statement, they do an excellent job and they show thier obvious passion for UO. Its just a shame the Customer Service teams dont have even 10% of the same dedication.
     
  24. There's no such thing as free speech on a privately owned website.
     
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    Just makes this all worthless then really and worth looking for a new unoffical/offical forum site.
     
  26. There would still be no such thing as free speech as any site like that would still be privately owned. Unless you put up your own site, any site would have the right to moderate anything posted.
     
  27. Salivern_Diago

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    Well I'm not going to argue, I know of several sites where freedom of speech is encouraged with the clause that personal attacks/direct insults are moderated.

    As I said, staff in the public eye are expected to take flak... Ask anyone in the customer service industry.
     
  28. Re: Gm ***

    I used to do some heavy idocing before your time and only recently returned (not that it was me at the idoc yesterday) but I doubt you ever heard of me. I picked up my idoc addiction where I left off, did some idocs, got lucky and now I'm doing other things in UO but I'm sure I'll be doing idocs soon again. And yeah when I'm in Felucca and I get killed I leave my char logged in, go surf the web and check the housesign frequently, logging off when it's going idoc. When I was doing it several years ago I and my partner got accused of cheating several times, but in reality me and my partner had the plot placement target up and we just sit there behind our monitors in a Zen state staring mindlessly at the screen, ready to instantly place a plot when the house collapsed. At most of the idocs we got the exact time so it wasn't that much waiting involved, others just couldn't imagine we were that dedicated to the cause and assumed we scripted because the plot was placed right after the house collapsed.

    This whole thread appears to me as "Someone else is doing idocs too where we were alone before and they're good, now we miss out on loot where we got a lot before so they must be removed from the game so we can have all the loot again!".
     
  29. jack flash uk

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    Re: Gm ***

    Greetings,

    just to stop you if i may, it is not about i want it all myself etc

    i share locations and time with many others, there is a great friendship that i have enjoyed through the years, i am sure when i get to see you in game, my idoc parnter will know you

    when we dont, and i mean 10+ players dont know someone and they act the way they do something is wrong

    but i am RIGHT in my post, as the ghost was still there for 40 plus mins after it refrehsed, i know cos i went back to see, just to make sure "it was not me" being paranoid

    and as you will agree, when you have bone,well, anything in game for 3 year you know when something is not right

    i am happy to say i was prooved right, and yes the GM did nothing after i gave detailed info to him/her, to investigate

    make sure you say hello if you start idocs and dump into me:)
     
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    If ghost cams are not a prob why have they been dealt with in Champ spawns?

    also nope using a ghost to time an idoc is not illegal

    but they did not leave a ghost, it became one and a necro had to look for it


    BUT having a ghost cam in place nearly an hour AFTER the house has refreshed, ie SCRIPT to stop it timing out after 15mins of non activitly and SCRIPT to time the house is obviously illegal

    if the "accused" are at the keyboard watching the house sign, WHY HAVE THEY NOT MOVED OFF?

    cant wait to hear the possible answers to justify this one? dont tell me, they are manually turning in bowcraft quests at Heartwood on the other machine, while their other chars are watching the Malas Idoc signs

    amazing what octopuses can do nowdays :)
     
  31. Re: Gm ***

    Well you may but it's not going to change my opinion lol... if it's not about wanting it yourself then could you give me the IDOC stuff then? :D o/c you want it, that's why you idoc, no shame in saying so even if it means your argument loses strength.

    Also, there are like several places in Felucca where there are people script mining. Sometimes I like to hunt them then they just stand there as a ghost for many hours, I'm pretty certain they are scripters. Why only report those scripters at idocs and not those mining? Because mining is about unlimited resources so it doesn't conflict with your interests while there is only 1 loot from an idoc which does conflict, right?
     
  32. Lady_Rachel

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    Just a question.
    In the original post you said the idoc'er was killed by a red.
    But in your last post you said he was watching a Malas Idoc signs??
    Did you mean a Fel idoc sign? Or was it Malas?
     
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    why do GMs do literally nothing as opposed to years ago? i remember when they would suspend people for scamming and would just come down to talk sometimes and stick around a bit, they actually used to help people, now not only do they never show themselves but 90% of the time they send an automated response, the only time they don't is when someone is using foul language or someone needs a flaming head deed removed from their house... like seriously if thats all they do then they can't be busy at all, sometimes i wish i was a gm and show others how to do their job the right way, i would go out of my way to help people and i would go against the terms of service and retrieve lost or stollen items that a player may have taken from them because that is the most ******** policy in the world "we don't replace lost characters or items" upgrade your system and make it easier to track items and characters is all i can say to that
     
  34. jack flash uk

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    Re: Gm ***

    you inply that i want it myself, which is wrong, WE want it use it etc

    i dont mine so i dont know where they are, but i do read about them
     
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    both, they watch more than one at a time with several, hidden timers
     
  36. Thinking some more about it, since it will affect myself in the future, couldn't you just kill them, then when they are watching as a ghost just place bagballs or something else over the housesign to obscure it?

    At least you'd force them to come back stealthing to remove it then you can kill them again :D
     
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    ah those were the days, i remember a gm came to see me, to tell me off, anyway i was on horseback and left sharpish, only for the gm to keep up with me on foot, it was so funny, then i got b*llocked again for fleeing

    when a gm turned up a WBB i remember the crowds nosing in to see what was going on

    funny times
     
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    Reporting script miner and jacker with day after day reporting gets same inactions. String of canned we will check into it followed by threats to bann your account for their lacking. At the time it was go ahead and bann two 11+ year accounts.............I need the extra Holdem cash.

    On LS on avatar isle there are two houses next to each other still Draconi burning. Ya they got one multi account guy. Took what a week before the other hacks crawled back from under their rocks. This kind of BS drove me out of retirement and back to work. For something to do. So now I can afford to pay for something I don't do.

    Time I do play is shuffling around stuff and tossing treasures into the abyss so I can shut down a 5th account. Guess I'll go to work now "It's good to be the boss"
     
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    The problem with Stratics however, which has always been a problem, is that it is in EA's back pocket. Stratics nods its head and jumps to EA's tune. The reason for this is that is scared ****less that EA will withdraw is goodwill and stop posting here. The outcome ... EA calls the tune on this site and we have sycophantic mods who love nothing more than to kiss EA butt.

    So .. whereas other sites still make their own rules about free speech ... at least it isnt EA's rules as it is here on Stratics
     
  40. Petra Fyde

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    And how would you define the function of a 'fan site'??
    Constructive critisicm, politely worded will always be allowed. Insults and personal attacks will not. It's pretty easy really - keep a civil tongue in your head and you can post as much negativity as you feel is warranted.
     
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    So why the "no naming" rules and the "cant mention freeshards" rule or the "cant mention certain script program" rules ? I'll tell you why ... because EA is yanking your chain.
     
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    Thats EXACTLY why...

    Cant name GM's, Cant post about mod actions or inactions, cant post complaints etc etc etc..

    All for the purpose of kissing EA's arse!

    Following from what I said before, its a case of like it or lump it.. There is no-other site out there with the same amount of people registered.

    Perhaps if enough people complained to the 'admins' then it might get changed, but I doubt it. We'ld have to pay them the same as EA...

    Oh right, theres adverts everywhere.. we do that already!

    [Edit] Oh ye I forgot... STRATICS... grow some balls
     
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    As I have already said - keep a civil tongue in your head and you can post negatively, if you feel it's warranted. Rude and boorish behaviour is not necessary to convey a point.

    As for your final, vulgar and boorish comment. My husband would rather I didn't follow that advice, thank you.
     
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    But ... we cant post certain things that EA might not like. Such as the existance of freeshards. Or Script programs. Or GM names. And why? Because as stated above, Stratics is cowed by EA and wont post these things because EA does not allow them to, ergo.. EA calls the shots here.
     
  45. Salivern_Diago

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    I didnt throw that at you Petra. I was throwing it at the Stratics corporate thinking. You have to do what you have to do.

    Am I happy with the Stratics rules? No
    Am I happy with the way GM's are? No
    Do I agree with the no naming? No

    Do I think Stratics is failing at being an independant site for all the MMO's online and being impartial? YES

    I'm annoyed that due to the popularity of the site I'm forced to have to accept the way Stratics is.

    So to Jack...
    NAME the GM, they are in the customer service industry so its a case of TOUGH.

    If the stratics rules dont allow it? Then Admins... CHANGE IT!
     
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    As a long time Idocer I will give a little input here.

    I have developed a system for timing over the years which means I also spend a LOT of time watching the houses go thru the decay cycle.

    As part of my template I have obviously included Tracking to check for others doing the same. When watching for the turn time this gives me the opportunity to see whover else might be there.

    Sometimes I visit the houses long before I expect them to turn and check at that time, often there will be a char there hidden. This means nothing, some people are prepared to wait however long it takes to get the actual turn time.

    However the giveaway that a script is in operation is that AFTER the turn the hidden char REMAINS there, I have sometimes seen them there for hours after the turn time. Nobody can convince me that any idocer who has got the turn time is going to remain at the house simply for the excitement of staring at the sign for hours.

    It is this self-evident evidence of scripting that Jack is complaining about.

    Also with regard to the poster who wants to know the difference between script miners and script timers at idocs. The great majority of Idocers in my experience time houses the correct way e.g. they either visit the house regularly or camp it to get the time. This takes a LOT of time and cheats using a script get the time with no effort at all. At fall they get the same benefits as the players who invested time and effort. In my opinion this is totally wrong.

    Reporting them has no positive outcome as far as I am aware so I can see where Jack is coming from when making this post.

    I have posted about this type of scripting twice in the past albeit in a somewhat different vein, link below

    http://vboards.stratics.com/showthread.php?t=142062
     
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    Many years ago when the GMs were volunteers I had some great experiences with them. They would actually come and talk with you even about small problems. I was at an IDOC once, trying to get a little 7x7 spot and some kids with a drag came up and told the drag to kill me. It tried to, but I invised. The GM came and explained to them that they could not do this in the new Tram. The kids argued but the GM finally convienced them to move on. I got the spot in the jungle, btw. But, now, when someone is actually needing personal help, they get the canned responses. I hate this. I have reported scripters who were interfering with my game play...always the canned response. When I need something, like yesterday I couldn't find an object that was large enough to see even under books. I petitioned a GM to look in my bp, that maybe it was just not showing up on my screen. He sent the message to report it as a bug. It was not a bug. I finally logged out and in a few times, then found it. But, he was NO help at all. It is very frustrating!!
     
  48. jack flash uk

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    would that block the house sign from a script? if they are using a script?

    i suppose that is a way to determine whether they are scripting or actually at the keyboard browsing website etc
     
  49. kelmo

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    *smiles* Whose policies are we discussing in this thread?

    Keep it on topic and be civil.
     
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