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Going to GIVE EC another shot.

Discussion in 'UHall' started by jfkeach, Feb 8, 2010.

  1. jfkeach

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    Well, Friday was my BD. I bought a new motorcycle, and a new COMPUTER. Kicking computer with kicking Vid card, and a 24" HD monitor. I even threw in a second 1 TB Sata HDD and am running me some raid :) My ping time to ATL is 20 ms, and my download to game server is 50 mb down and 5 mb up. MY computer rating is 7.4 in all areas but Disc Access and that is 6.2 i think.

    Put Win 7 Ultimate on, and downloaded MS Virtual PC and windows XP mode software, and have second monitor for running that. (HAD ordered the Computer before the note that you would be able to run two clients at same time). Got two gaming Keyboards, and a gaming mouse.

    I have not ever been able to play the 3d client for more than 5 minutes, because it made me sicker than a dog, even though it might look ok on my computer.

    I installed UO, both clients. I even played with the EC and set it for max frame rate, and turned off as many bells and whistles as I can. (effects and animations)

    I have been able to run around in circles and not get ill in the EC. I have never been able to play it long enough to even bother with setting macros. So I will have to do that. ARRGGHHH!!! but I will try it for a week. But this all took place on FRIDAY, got the Bike on Saturday, and since then have been in game a grand total of maybe 10 minutes.

    I invested about $2500.00 in new PC, hardware, and software for this game. Yeah, it doth rock. But if that is what people have to do in order just to play EC, I think most will stick to Legacy client. But at least now I don't get motion sickness just starting it. Ill let ya know.
     
  2. Dermott of LS

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    $2500? Nah, shouldn't have to do that much, though it is nice from time to time. I just got a new vid card for myself for Christmas as well (bumbped the older good card (7950GT) to the secondary card to run monitors 2 and 3 and have a 1.75Gig card for the primary gaming monitor.

    One thing I have seemed to notice and I'm not 100% sure if it's me, the card or the client, but thing have seemed to have gotten a bit clearer and less pixelated and distorted (though a lot of the legacy graphics still distort pretty badly and pixelate zoomed in).

    You really do have to give yourself time to adjust to a new client both in terms of look and functionality.

    Any questions, feel free to hop over on the Enhanced Client board and read and ask away. Spellweave is also a great resource for info and the Exchange when you're ready to enhance the client even further.
     
  3. Ezekiel Zane

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    I've been playing the EC a lot for about two months now. I find I can hardly utilize a crafter anymore, in the classic client, due to the EC's gridview containers being so much easier and efficient to use. Same thing goes for mining plus the EC's macros make mining more efficient as well. I've really played the most on both my chiv-dexxer and PvM mage and once again I can barely play the classic client now due to getting used to the advanced targeting system and macros and one-click looting.

    Amazingly, I never thought this would happen, when I go back to the classic client, movement looks odd to me. I still think the EC needs better mounted movement animations though, just because it looks goofy. Even goofier when I'm running sideways across the screen.

    Both my children have been playing UO with me a little bit too. They're pretty young so they don't ever play alone and they have never played UO before now. They have both picked up targeting, spellcasting and fighting in the EC very easily. My daughter, who is eight, doesn't get the classic client at all. To her even her paperdoll looks silly in the classic client.

    I desire two things for UO's clients. 1. That the classic client is never retired and continues to get support and updates. 2. The development of the EC continues but that bug fixes and graphics glitches are given high priority and get worked out soon. I would also like for it to look more akin to the classic client but that's just me.
     
  4. hawkeye_pike

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    The EC still is a bug-ridden piece of beta crap. It would be a great client, if it didn't have so many game-breaking bugs.
     
  5. Aran

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    No, it'd still be crap.
     
  6. Mitzlplik_SP

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    Game breaking? Aside from some minor lag once in a great while when I mouse over the black area,I notice very few bugs. I mean if ya count white pigs,maybe....

    I don`t doubt you`ve got problems but it sure seems isolated to a small amount of peaple when it comes to it being a bug-ridden piece of beta crap.

    Take my RL friend for instance. He`s so anti EC its rediculous. I talk him into trying it here and there and he does and complains about the same things,graffix,bluryness and motion sickness(for lack of a better term) when on the run. I tried havin him change this and change that and nothing made em happy. A couple days ago his vid card burnt up so he had to rely on an old spare,which was a smaller card btw. Just the difference in cards made the difference for him. He called me up and said " damn! I don`t get sick no more!,I think I can finally play this thing w00t" OK he didn`t say w00t but ya know what I mean. :)

    I think its a finicky client and some have more problems than others due to their own hardware. I don`t care if you`ve spent 15 bills on the latest and greatest,that is no gaurentee your stuff will run flawless on everything. You are going to have games/programs that give you a headache,doesn`t matter what rig your runnin.

    As to the OP`s statement about (possibly)needing a $2500 rig for the EC.... Hardly.

    It runs dandy on my 5 year old AMD 4000+ Single core POS with a $100 nvidia 9800gt and 4 gigs of ram. My bot comp (7 years old)is even less of a pc so I won`t even bother mentioning the specs and yet it still runs the EC just fine. I`m currently waiting for my new rig, a quad core AMD thanks to my friends at H&R block. My luck that machine won`t run the EC at all. Maybe than I`ll see this bug ridden client everyone talks about.

    *edit*
    Just hadta comment on Ezekiel Zane`s last post. Thats my thoughts exactly. The whole crafter thing and mining and whatnot is how I got sucked in. NEVER did I think I`d play the EC more than 2d but its a fact. ATM the only time I use CC is to fill kegs simply cuz its faster. Just hadta comment since your story of being hooked is so similar to mine. :)
     
  7. VorteXPete

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    People that are anti ec always will be,nothing is gona change that.it,s 2d or nothing.
    I just wish ea would stop making ec look like 2d and make it better and stop going backwards.Just can 2d and lets go forward,your not gona get new players with widescreen monitors playing 2d,not even if it was free.And this game needs new players to survive.
     
  8. Dermott of LS

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    I've run a Quad Core AMD Phenom for I think it will be a year around Apirl or May, forget exactly... anyway, it runs fine on it. Standard disclaimers about making sure your drivers are up to date and all of that apply of course, but you won;t have any problem there.

    You had it right earlier on, it has tended to be specific cards (or integrated graphics) that the EC gets picky about, beyond that it's not an issue.
     
  9. Dermott of LS

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    People that are anti ec always will be,nothing is gona change that.it,s 2d or nothing.
    I just wish ea would stop making ec look like 2d and make it better and stop going backwards.Just can 2d and lets go forward,your not gona get new players with widescreen monitors playing 2d,not even if it was free.And this game needs new players to survive.


    Agree in some areas and disagree in others.

    I agree that they should STOP trying to compromise the EC and try and make it "look like 2d". Just look at the difference in the new 2d artwork vs the old. Look at the new Magincia Sandstone's color quality vs the 2d Trinsic sandstone (and if you can find a pic of KR's look there as well). KR/EC should have been about moving UO FORWARDS... KR was doing that, it just needed to be FINISHED. EC went so far backwards to me it's been sickening.

    Where I disagree is that with the advent of netbooks and tablet PCs which are (obviously) lower end graphically, there's still a legitimate niche for the 2d client.

    HOWEVER...

    Where they went wrong was that the 2d client should be what it is and the EC should be the higher end, show what UO can REALLY do. At the very least give the settings for people who have reasonably new cards to be able to make REAL use of them.
     
  10. Aran

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    I play UO on my 37" widescreen LCD occasionally.

    Widescreen isn't killing UO. Widescreen makes me happier to play UO because it gives me a TON of blackspace for everything I like up on screen when I play.

    Getting rid of 2D, or hurting 2D, would kill the game, as most players use it.
     
  11. Ezekiel Zane

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    I'm definitely a blackspace hog. I have every icon and gump dragged out and open. It's a little whacked on my 22" monitor, I can only imagine how insane it is on a 37".
     
  12. hawkeye_pike

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    Please excuse my harsh statement above. But unfortunately, it is true. The list of bugs is VERY long, and a few of them actually are game breaking bugs. A few examples:

    • Dragging and dropping items too quick results in not being able to move or use items in your backpack anymore, unless you log out and back in.
    • Sometimes, sleeves and gloves become invisible, which can result in the loss of the item.
    • Field spells and excessive particle effects (nova spell) cause extreme lag and a graphics adapter memory leak, making the client more and more laggy after a while, until it crashes.
    • Serious synch issues; my character is not displayed where it really is. This causes the character to sometimes jump a few tiles in the middle of a fight, not to mention extreme rubberbanding. (This happens even more when the connection is good, but not perfect.)
    I could continue. Due to these bugs, PvP is hardly possible. Also, certain game content is not available, like fighting the Stygian Dragon or the Slasher of Veils. These bugs have been around for a year, and have been confirmed by many players. They happen on high-end computers, too.

    I won't switch back to the Legacy Client, because I got used to the EC, its prettier graphics and its fantastic interface. In comparison, the Legacy Client is an impertinence, and I refuse to use it just to be better in PVP or fight the Stygian Dragon. It is a catch-22.

    Anyway, these bugs have been reported over and OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, and still are not solved.

    Excuse me if I sound sarcastic or negative. But this is blatant incompetence at work here, and once again EA is messing a client with good potential up.

    P.S.: I am NOT anti-EC, on the contrary. I think keeping and outdated technology like the Legacy Client is compromising the game immensely.
     
  13. Lefty

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    What a waste, Buying a hiqh quality Gcard which gives no benefits to EC cpu rendered sprites. It's only good for particle effects in EC.

    The 1TB raid was a decent choice, but you could of done better with a SSD thats about 3 times faster on the R/W's
     
  14. BlackMagus

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    As I've said before: this is not true for all installations. Personally, I experienced the first two mentioned issues (drag/drop, hidden armor parts). Both though do not affect my gameplay at all, and you can easily avoid them if they do bother you. PvP is not affected at all by these issues.

    I increasingly think that alot of the reported issues are heavily dependent on operating system, hardware, network latency, or other factors that only affect a distinct group of users. This might also be the reason why EA has a hard time fixing them with their limited resources.

    I can only recommend people to try EC - if you happen to have my stability experience, it by far surpasses CC in terms of features and IMO also looks. :thumbup:

    Disclaimer: I do also think EA should invest more resources into EC bugfixing and Q/A. No arguing there...
     
  15. canary

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    Cracks me up how UO says they cater to the niche market of lower end computers and then people feel obligated to buy something awesome to play, because the EC client only works well on higher end machines.

    Say what you want about WoW, but at least they had the sense to make sure their client runs on a LOT of low end machines very well.
     
  16. BlackMagus

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    FYI: I successfully run EC on a low-end notebook. It is not resource intensive, and I think the OP machine is way over-dimensioned for this purpose. Cool equipment anyways... :)
     
  17. canary

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    BTW, given the way it is pretty clear that the EC is being hardly managed by the current team, I'm pretty certain the new UO client that is being developed in China by NetDragon will also end up being available for the rest of us, as well.

    From NetDragon's news:

    NetDragon Websoft Inc. is a leading innovator and creative force in China's online gaming industry. Established in 1999, NetDragon has been operating and developing a broad range of MMORPGs since launching its first self-made title Monster & Me in 2002. In addition, NetDragon is China's pioneer in overseas expansion, having directly operated its titles in overseas markets since 2004 in English, Spanish, Arabic and other foreign languages. The Group's game portfolio comprises a range of massively multiplayer online games that cater to various types of players and gaming preferences. Current offerings include the games Way of the Five, Eudemons Online, Conquer Online, Zero Online, Heroes of Might & Magic Online, Disney Fantasy Online and Tian Yuan. The Group also has several games currently in development, including CJ7 Online, Dungeon Keeper Online and a new version of Ultima Online.
     
  18. Black Sun

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    So am I the only one wondering what the motorcycle is like? :mf_prop:
     
  19. Mapper

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    From what I read, They're developing a new game similar to UO, Not a new client for UO.
     
  20. canary

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    Yeah, but who is to say that we won't be using whatever the end result is?
     
  21. Cetric

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    I would give the EC a legitamate shot, if someone can answer something for me.


    I setup all my macros on a pvp mage. i set last target to my mouse wheel (whatever they called last target, can't remember off hand) but anyways, i cannot cast 2 spells in a row cleanly without "overcasting" i cannot cast 2 mini heals on myself in a row, to magic arrows in a row...anything...and before someone asks...yes im 2/6 casting hehe.


    Any ideas? i kind of like the client, but it hampers my gameplay so i gave it up for now. Anything?
     
  22. hawkeye_pike

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    I understand that you're trying to convince people to use the EC, no matter what. You're saying that these problems only occur on few installations. Rest assured that you're very wrong about that. I have received messages from people who have the same issues, even on high-end gaming computers with the latest video drivers.

    I don't know why you're trying to brush those serious issues under the carpet. Wouldn't it be in your interest, too, if EA finally fixed those problems, so that the majority of players would start using this client? Or what is the motive behind your belittlement?

    To demonstrate the effect, please see the following video:
    Enhanced Client Lag on Youtube
     
  23. BlackMagus

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    Am I not allowed to have a good time playing EC because you documented a list of issues with it?

    Stop trolling me please. And btw, if you re-read my post(s) you might actually see that we agree on most parts...
     
  24. canary

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    He is not trolling, merely pointing out your experiences are in the minority.

    Feel free to post your opinion you like playing the client. Just don't expect people to have the same aesthetic likes or performance on their comp.
     
  25. BlackMagus

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    I have stressed that I am only talking about my personal experience, and not overall client quality.

    Repeatedly misquoting me, and putting into my mouth that I support EA not fixing bugs, where I explicitly state otherwise in every of my posts, is trolling at its finest.
     
  26. Mitzlplik_SP

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    I have yet to encounter any of the bugs Hawkeye listed. By no means am I saying they don`t exist. Just haven`t experienced any of the missing sleeves and all that. Works great for me except some occasional lag,which leads me to believe that some of the problems can be on the users end,even if the user is SURE it is not.

    If this is so bug ridden,why doesn`t everyone experience the same thing. We don`t. Why is that....

    I`m not denying there is bugs,its definately buggy for some peaple. I guess I`m a lucky one cause it works great for me. *knocks on wood*

    Hogwash! and WoW can DIAF,damn kiddy crack cartoony junk. Just a DAoC rip off with worse graffix and the same interface.
     
  27. canary

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    Is it? That's interesting, considering the number of people I know that still have issues. Just because it works well for YOU doesn't mean there aren't a lot who are having a problem.
     
  28. Mitzlplik_SP

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    I never denied others have issues. I am calling out their systems/hardware/connection/network/hops and whatever else comes into play BEFORE you log into UO.

    Why else do some have problems while others don`t? If it was strictly the client holding all these issues...... EVERYONE would have similar problems.
     
  29. Splup

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    Yea but if the client isn't compatible with so many things, it's clients fault...
     
  30. deadite

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    The only things I don't like about the EC are:

    1) The KR graphics not being there
    2) The bugs

    That said, I wouldn't call any bug I've experience "game breaking". Hell, I play the EC on my 2007 iMac and it runs great. Any bugs I have experienced are just annoying at most (like clothing disappearing), but not game breaking.

    I'm not saying they don't exist. I just never see them.

    I haven't use the classic client since the EC came out. I am so much happier with it overall. I'll live with the bugs and hope that they get ironed out eventually. Still waiting for that big bug squashing patch that the devs mentioned in December.
     
  31. Dermott of LS

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    There's a list for the mindless haters.

    The EC still has plenty of issues and in many ways was a HORRIBLE step backwards from KR, but it's still worth the HONEST effort in trying to learn and use it as the advances in the UI help the game out a LOT in MANY areas.
     
  32. hawkeye_pike

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    Why are you defending the EC's poor quality all the time? Are you payed by EA? Your arguments begin to get annoying...

    Instead of blaming it on the user, the system or the network, you should look at the crappy graphics programming on the EC. My system is a Windows XP with the latest device drivers, and all other games run perfectly on it. Even games with much more sophisticated graphics than the EC. No lag, no memory leaks, but perfect performance. Only the EC runs like it was programmed by a bunch of newbies.

    My network is just fine, I don't have any issues with the Legacy Client or any other internet game. I would have lag there too, if my connection was bad, wouldn't I? I would lag all the time, if the network was bad, not only when there are a lot of particle effects on the screen, wouldn't I?

    Think before you blindly follow the horde of lemmings who want to advertise the EC no matter what! The EC would be a great client, if it didn't have all these bugs and issues. Telling the devs that everything is just great is extremely contraproductive!

    Again: I'm not the only one having those issues.

    :grrr:
     
  33. Mitzlplik_SP

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    I don`t blindly follow anyone. My experience with the EC is nothing like yours. Sorry for your problems but they are not mine.

    If I`m irratating that I express my likings of the EC...... how do people like yourself come off to people like me? Bug ridden,unplayable piece of beta crap?

    Hardly.

    In reality those are half truths and do damage to the public opinion of the EC. Afterall we need players using it for the devs interest to continue correct? Why would someone try it after reading your thread labeling it something that it is not? When if that person DL`d it and tried it,they might have MY experience and not yours,thus adding another EC user/supporter.
     
  34. canary

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    WHAT? LOL LOL LOL

    The client only damages itself because it IS bug ridden and not finished. It doesn't help that the dev team is working slower than a snail's pace to discuss or address anything that has been brought up. The work on the EC is pretty much at a standstill... just look at the paltry attention given to it since it was released, or heck, since KR was released. It's like UO's red headed step child.

    If nothing, the UO TEAM needs to step up their game, fix the issues and THEN maybe they'd have a decent word of mouth. Only an idiot would spout the praises of something that was broken, imo. "Oh yay! Look at this NEW CAR that is missing its tires, its exhaust system is halfway done and the engine is actually for a different car!"
     
  35. Ezekiel Zane

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    I can recall many many bugs which affected the classic client over the years. I'm sure if we tried we could list off several hundred. Currently it's a 13 year old mature client.

    I personally never gave KR much of a shot. Then I nearly quit playing for a while. Since I started playing more again around October, I decided to give the EC a try. I didn't like it at first and continued playing the classic client almost exclusively. Early December I decided to give the EC another attempt and I've now grown to really like it's features. I still log into the classic client too. I'm not sure I foresee a time when I won't still have both clients installed on my computers.

    That being said, I am not having the issues that other players seem to be having. I do see many of the bugs that Hawkeye_Pike listed above. I just don't see them as game-breaking. Not for me at least.

    What I totally and completely will agree with anyone about though is that the developers are doing next to nothing to instill any amount of confidence in the EC amongst the players. Sure they told us months ago that large list of bug fixes were coming but they've said nothing since and the list of bug fixes has been minimal. The communication of late, in all regards, has been horrid.

    I'm sold on the EC. I truly believe now that it has amazing potential and I'll continue to use it more and more. I have absolutely ZERO confidence that EA/Mythic won't screw it up and let it stagnate into oblivion. They really really need to assure us that the EC is HIGH priority and provide better communication. If it's still true that Mythic won't let the developers post or communicate with us without prior approval, that BS should stop. The people are high paid professionals are they not? If they can't be trusted to post on the official forums then what does that say about them? Would say to me that they shouldn't be in the positions in the first place.
     
  36. Harb

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    Despite a sincere belief that I'd probably never abandon the 2d client - 13 years is a long time, I began my first attempt with the EC several weeks ago. I began with low expectations, having attempted to embrace KR but never quite feeling at ease with it, and honestly had read Hawkeye's comments closely on the subject since release, he being someone I seldom disagree with.

    I've been pleasantly surprised for the most part, and frankly am probably now with the EC to stay. Sure theres still the occassional glitch, the most irksome at least for me that I've encountered thus far is when for no replicatable rhyme or reason the client just decides to turn itself off. It's infrequent. I also now understand the complaints of some of those who embraced KR regarding "fuzzy" graphics, in the future dev probably needs to allow the greater resolution KR did offer to reduce eye strain :) For the most part though, the EC plays well once you make the adjustment, and once doing so, 2d won't be so attractive an alternative. I'm not even close to qualified for discussing system requirements, our newest desktop runs it with no problems, and our 3 year old laptop can manage it although its not as responsive as some playstyles may require. The 6 year old desktop can't hang at all.

    By way of recommendations, I'd say everyone should give the EC a shot regardless of style and computer, and if it works for you - have at it. Just don't jump to any conclusions on day 1!
     
  37. Harb

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    Ok I'm new to the client. How do you do this? Also, several folks mentioned you could view/hue loot by overall property intensity, I can't figure that out either. Any clues? Thanks!
     
  38. Ezekiel Zane

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    One-click looting feature only works if the legacy containers option is unchecked. To loot, open the corpse in grid-view and right-click the items or gold. The items and gold will go directly into your pack. You don't have to drag-n-drop.

    The property intensity thing is a mod that is available in some of the UI mods. Google UO modders exchange. I use the copper-enhanced mod from Dermott. There are several others to choose from.
     
  39. Harb

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    My "legacy containers" is unchecked, how does "one click looting" work from there?
     
  40. Ezekiel Zane

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    I just edited my previous post with more details about one-click looting.
     
  41. Harb

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    :) Thanks.
     
  42. Ezekiel Zane

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    Also, you can set the default corpse view in user settings.
     
  43. Mitzlplik_SP

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    /shrug,my cars not bad. I drive it every day without all the game stopping issues thats out there.rolleyes:

    Maybe your just mad cuz it doesn`t work for you? Either way,I don`t care cause I use it every day exclusively and she runs great!

    Even with the wrong engine and a loud exhaust.

    *ahhh reminds me of my teen years*
     
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    I'd like a true 3d client. Thar would rock. Imagine walking into Destard, you look up to see a 100ft dragon towering over you. When you do a champ, the area is swarming with hundreds of on screen enimies.
     
  45. canary

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    I know it makes some ppl sick, but I agree.
     
  46. Evlar

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    EC has superb potential...

    ...Sadly I've little faith that it will reach its potential.

    I've always been one that's moved with the times, even with in-game changes that I've not been particularly fond of over the years. As far as the clients are concerned, I've given them all a try and usually preferred them over the classic client.

    I might be one of few who liked the Third Dawn client. I've never been able to boogy the same way since!! :thumbup: - there's a thread around you'll doubtless have seen about dancing ;)

    KR was a disaster for me. Although I didn't mind the graphical aspect of it, the amount of times it crashed or just failed to perform, just doesn't bear mentioning.

    EC, as I've said, has great potential. The user interface, following on from KR is excellent and definitely a step in the right direction. Graphically it looks good to me in general, odd glitches aside.

    The big problem is the many bugs and issues, as mentioned by Hawkeye Pike, which I'm afraid I have to agree with (I believe we share the same love for the game, but also share the same dismay). There are so many that spoil my gameplay in general, even though I'm sure others may not see, experience or encounter some of them, that when my current subscription expires in July, I think that will be it for me.

    Unless things improve before then, then I'm afraid that'll be it. I've enjoyed playing UO, bugs aside, very much so since pre-Trammel days. So frustrated am I, that logging into UO is not now one of the first things I do when I go online. The desire to play just doesn't appeal as much, because of all the problems.

    Although I can't say I've played continually over all these years, having had odd breaks from the game, I feel like my next departure will be the last.

    So, come July there will either be someone happy that things have been fixed at last, or there will be an awesome collection of items being dropped around Europa before I bid Sosaria a fond farewell.
     
  47. Evlar

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    Although I'm all for graphical improvements where possible, I still believe that the nature of the game itself, is always going to be better maintained within an isometric style view.
     
  48. Llewen

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    Haven't read the entire thread, I just thought I'd add, I've been using the EC since I came back to UO a few months ago, and now the few times I still use the old classic client it feels a bit like going to the dentist. There are problems with the EC, some of them pretty serious, but it is still light years more advanced than the classic client.

    There are a few things you can do with the classic client and UOA that you can't do with the EC, but beyond those few things, there really is no comparison.
     
  49. canary

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    ehn, you could have a client that merely locks the camera, if you wanted.
     
  50. olduofan

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    I just tried it 3 days ago took hours to down load

    I went to kill some scubbas on my swordsman as soon as i start fighting crashed had to log back in on the 2d client to find myself died and looted no aids to heal

    didn like it b4 still don't I will say I like a lot about it but its not enough to get me to switch I think I'd qiut first I'm beyond over UO anyhow this WAS the best game and has become the worst game (just look at the #s) I hope we get some new blood that understands how to make a fun and easy to understand with out havering to have multiple add-on calculators and programs just to play 1 game it went to the EXTREMES and killed uo not much fun very few people like this game B/C of that. They seem to have forgotten people play online games to have fun ,enjoy them self's and escape reality ... GL