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Gold, Gold & more Gold

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Arien, May 8, 2015.

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  1. Arien

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    Since we get sooner or later the Gold changes my question is, do a Player really need Billions of Gold in UO? I Play on Atlantic, Houses costs there between 5 Million Gold up to 5 Billion Gold. Event Items are on Vendors for 50 - 135 Millions for only 1 Item, which is just an Random Ugly Colored Item.

    I think it is time to get an Gold Limit per Account in Ultima Online. Cause new Players can't afford crazy priced Items and all those ultra rich Players with their Billions of Gold, are selling their Gold illegal for Real Cash. Right now this is an never ending thing. Would it be not enough if an Account can have max 1 Billion UO Gold which is by the Way ultra much Gold.

    Yes i know soon this Thread gets smacked down by all Players who have over 1 Billion UO Gold and the haters gonna start to cry but hey UO is a Game. You can have in real so much Cash you want but in a Game there should be some balance. There should be since years a Gold limit but none cared. Perhaps now it is time to care about a big problem in UO ... unlimited UO Gold.
     
  2. S_S

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    DON'T touch my gold, Go make your own. Thanks.
     
  3. Scribbles

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    Make a valid argument, All I hear in your post is you whining about people having more gold than you and that its not fair. Your argument goes completely unwarranted throughout the entire post. What are the impacts of such a dichotomy? What empirical evidence do you have to support such a claim?

    IN fact the only argument you made in the post is this " Cause new players cant afford crazy priced items and all those ultra rich players with their billions of gold, are selling their gold illegal for real cash."
    The first half of this statement is an argument, the second half is just flawed rhetoric that offers no impact of any sort. So ill go ahead and just refute the top half.

    New players shouldnt be able to afford crazy price items, they should have to work their asses off to get it. Lets say about 17 years of work. So,e of these "crazy rich players" have been playing for 17 years and worked their butts off in this game to afford such things.

    Just my opinion, but if you actually limited the gold per account... you would lose pretty much all of the subs that we currently have.
     
  4. Lady Michelle

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    I want your gold hand it over, no reason for me to make my own when I am able to have you hand me over all your gold. hehe j/k
     
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    So you're saying that the weeks I farmed elder gazers for 200k was just spat at with the millions that falls off champ spawns..oh I see! Get off your butt and farm my friend! I worked for my gold ;)


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  6. Nexus

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    Hate it all you want but a Gold Cap on accounts would do wonders to stabilize and deflate the game economy.
     
  7. Arien

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    And that is what we really need.
     
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    Until we can do this, no.

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    Its simply way, way, way too late to take so drastic a step.
     
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    Still not hearing a valid argument, all i hear is speculation at best. Prove it would help, dont just claim it.
     
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  10. Arien

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    It is never to late :), it is right now a chance to make with the Gold changes.
     
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    Ii love how the dev team is so confident that they think they can revamp the core currency and financial aspect of the game. Good luck and hope not a single glitch occurs :)
     
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  12. Arien

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    Do you think that this here is still normal? [​IMG] That is like i would sell you an Apple for 1000 Euro / Dollar in real. Would you still think then everything is fine? For sure not! This Game suffers from all those billionaire who ruins this Game for all normal Players, just to earn real Cash with Pixels.
     
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    All this proves is that someone thinks that piece is worth 175m....
     
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    Oh and please tell me how me or anyone else having billions ruins the game for you?
     
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    Just because some idiot decides to price gouge on an item that will never, ever sell for that much... :rolleyes:

    No matter what the devs do to gold, the rich will still be rich. They'll simply convert their gold to resources or open temporary accounts to spread it around before a changes goes into effect.

    Its way, way, way, way too late to attempt a drastic economic correction without alienating a lot of players. UO can't afford to alienate any more players...

    The best we can hope for are increased gold sinks that are purely deco.
     
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    And what do you propose be done with all the extra gold that can't be contained to each account?
     
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    No. A gold cap would just shift currency to something else. Anyway, its just inflation, it's not hard to make millions, so it's only an aesthetic problem. Its ungainly to be sure but once we have non physical currency it will be even less of an issue.
     
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  18. Uvtha

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    Currency wealth is relative. It's an issue of the ammount of currency in the system, not how much individuals have. In a world with no necessities inflation is not really a practical problem.
     
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    WOW, I cant just stop Laugh!!
    A New Player will just start the Game today , He will have his 1000gp on his backpack and He will think!! I want to Buy a LUNA House on Atlantic Shard!!, I really dont want to say anything bad to the person that post!!!

    Everything in this game cost a lot of GOLD, Legendary Items, PVP Suits, Rares, Event Items, Castles and the list can go on!!!

    You really need to think your game play, because the one that you are playing now are defi. not working for you!!

    People with "Billion" of Gold work their asses to make those gold, I am a Broker, I buy and sell houses, I pay for over 30+ Accounts, I play probably over 10 Shards, I have over 25 Shard Shields and The way that you think, It is not fair to people to have Billions!!!
     
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    It goes in the next Trash ... right now UO gives the Players the ability to make 24/7 Gold and sell it for real cash. And those Players makes the prices that we have right now in UO. As i startet UO long time ago, a Small Tower costed 6 Million Gold and that was an super crazy price. But it was still a normal price cause the Servers was full of Players, Houses for new Players was rare. But today we have super less Players, half of them with Billions of Gold who wants to gets more and more to earn real Cash. And those Players horts Houses / Spots cause they just can't get enough. We need a Gold Limit in this Game and we need changes for Gold that it can't be sold anymore.
     
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    Look OP I get where you're coming from, but a hard cap on gold simply isn't going to work. I mean, right off the bat you're offering a huge advantage to those with more accounts, because they can store more gold. If players reach their cap they will simply find other goods to barter with (imagine an auction where two players are bidding their full wallet... how else would they add value to their bid?). I agree there is a problem and that there is too much gold, but a cap does not address the root of the problem. It doesn't fix the actual gameplay which causes overabundance of gold.
     
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    So You pay for 1 Account $14 to have a House...
    Few Players Pay for 20+ Accounts $300 a month , so they can have 20 Houses! and you saying is not fair??

    And You accuse everybody that have over 1Billion gold that they sell gold???

    I think that you really to go play Mario Bross and leave UO , because this game is not for you!!
     
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  23. Arien

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    Have you known that a GM can read Vendor Names or that a Dev would be able to see Shop Names, even if you changed them 5 minutes ago? So stop to pretend that you did nothing wrong.
     
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    Anybody with a little of "Brain" can do a little research and they will know that everything on Atlantic Shard is overpriced!! It is the most populated Shard, People go to other Shards to do events, farm legendary items, Idocs and so on and than they transfer to Atlantic to sell!! , Oh Yes, this is wrong as well!!!

    You can place Lunas Houses and Castles on so many different Shards!!, but You want to complain for those that have their houses on Atlantic!!

    All the Lunas on ATLANTIC in the past YEARS, cost around 4 Billion to 20 Billion!! and I will tell you something, There is waiting List of Buyers for specific ones!!

    So Please, If you are so desperate to Own a Luna and cant afford one, Pls check some other shards, you are able to just go and Place!!!, But OFC you will need to kill 1st 100000 Mongbats to afford to place one 1st!!, But that is too much work for you!!
     
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    And your point is??
     
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  26. Arien

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    You are the only Player on Atlantic with Gold .... :next:
     
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    Please stay on topic and don't make things personal.
     
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  28. Lady Michelle

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    I seriously do not have to money to put into this game, I do the best I can do with out having to pay out real life cash. To get what I wanted I did Idocs placed, and sold houses with friends til we got what we wanted. Never sold things for real cash either. The thing is this is how I play its ok for me, but I'm not worry about what others do to get by in this game. So if UO House or anyone else plays the game the way they want that is is right he pays for his accounts. If I did worry about what others do or how much they have I think I would be out of my mind lol.
     
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    Finally someone with Brains!!!
     
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    alot of games have gold caps. i havent played wow in 3 years does anyone know the current gold cap there? its too late in the game to have gold caps in UO, but yes it might have been a good idea to begin with. would it stop selling gold? most likely not, but at least limit the amounts being sold. i think it would have been a good idea but like i said games just too far gone to really put caps on things now.
     
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    Wow, I use to love that movie when I was a weee lil kid.... kinda makes me want to watch it now *sneaks away to look for it!*
     
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    I play this game as a merchant because it is what I enjoy. I have enjoyed this playstyle since the VERY beginning of my time playing... and that is a very long time, indeed.

    Anyone who is willing to put in the work and time can easily make "gold". Capping it... (even if it could be done in a fair manner)... will not stop anyone from selling gold, it'll just make the amounts they sell smaller.

    Luna houses aren't the end all. There is zero reason to "need" one to make gold. With the search engine, anyone can make a successful vendor shop if they price their items decently and there is a demand for it in their community.

    If you are really hurting for gold and willing to put forth the elbow grease, time and dedication... I'll gladly be available to give you advice.
    Find your nitch in the community. For example on Atlantic? I know a dedicated masonry tables vendor who could stay stocked would get a lot of repeat business and could easily amass millions with just some time and some skill.

    You can still place small homes on Atlantic... start there and as you build capital, move up.

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  33. Kael

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    I get that there is crazy inflation and way too much currency in the game today. But taking away player's wealth isn't the right way to go about it. Perhaps making account based gold sink's could help. Something that can't be resold, costs a ridiculus amount of gold and is just for decoration for the affluent (such as a special title or hair color or something)

    I would love to see another shard opened that does not allow transfers on or off. Would certainly allow for meaningful farming and would not see crazy inflation for a long time.
     
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    The real issue that comes up with these kind of discussions is that many people don't get the connection between wealth and currency, and that inflation is not really an issue, except that it looks bad, and could cause sticker shock for newbs who don't know how easy it is to make a million gold. Really though, I doubt that's a very big problem.
     
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    I DO NOT HAVE OVER 1 BILLION IN GOLD. SO NOW HERE COMES THE SMACK TALK. IF YOU WANT A LIMIT ON GOLD PER ACCOUNT THEN YOU ARE WELCOME TO THROW ALL YOUR GOLD ON THE GROUND. DO NOT FORCE YOUR PLAY STYLE ON OTHERS.
     
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    But you realize the value of that 6 million is not the same value that 6 million has today right? The TOWER may have the same value, but the currency that purchased it doesn't. Currency is just a tool to simplify bartering, it's completely relative to the amount of it in the system. 6 Million gold 10 years ago, has the same value as 600m gold today.
     
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    There is a shard with no xfer to or from and you are welcome to go play it all you want.
     
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    I did for many. many years. Thank you for the misplaced invite though. My suggestion was more for those that still enjoy the current game, but are tired of the crazy inflation and gold sellers. Sometimes starting over can be a ton of fun with everyone on the same playing field. Course, you wouldn't have to play there...
     
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    Its taken me 16 years to stock pile all my gold and you think i dont deserve it? Troll post me thinks
     
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    I imagine the conversation would go like this:

    UO: "Too much gold. We're capping accounts at 1 billion gold and confiscating the rest."
    Long time UO player with gold: "I quit."
    Other players: "Why are the shards so empty? How do we get old vets to return to UO?"
     
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    Apparently they are working on (I say apparently as it may be one of those things they are 'working on' but never materialises) the new monetary system which will tie gold to your account as a number in your bank balance and do away with gold/cheques.

    when this happens they should just knock a zero (two would be better) of everyones bank balance. Everyone is hit by the same percentage decrease. Every single item in the game then devalues by the same percentage. Bring in some real worthwhile gold sinks and the UO economy will once again have some shred of believability. Items that cost 100 million would now be worth 1 million (which is fine as peoples wealth would have taken the same hit). Duping of cheques/gold should be fixed under the new system so this laughable amount of gold in the game can finally be fixed and maintained at a sensible level.

    This is an RPG of a certain genre. The billions and billions of gold that exchange hands for items make it feel like a Banking conglomerate RPG. Its ridiculous.
     
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    Taking a few 0's won't effect anything. Rich will still be richer. Gold sales will still continue.. The price per mill will just change to reflect the new amount.

    1 mill will always have a value in real life. Always in every online game money has a rl value. It just changes as there is more in game. As the value changes.

    Supply and demand. Knock off a few zeros will change nothing. Just make the value per higher.
     
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    As Dizzy pointed out above you, take any of my gold from me and im clossing down all my accounts for ever. Its that simple.
     
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    It is all just pixels.
     
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    As ever with UO, it all depends how you want to play...

    I'm reasonably wealthy in UO, in the sense that I have what I want, and probably could raise about 60-70 million in gold if I had to - but for the way I play, I have more than I need. Most of that 'wealth' comes simply from being around for 15 years or more, and building up crazy amounts of stuff (some of which has apparently become immensely 'valuable' in gold terms, but I collected it and keep it because it's about things I was part of, events I remember, or friends who may or may not still be playing).

    If what you want in the game is the very best, top end equipment, then the only 'problem' is you will probably need to spend a hell of a lot of time, or some real money of some dubious sites, to get the in-game gold for it all - but if you simply want to play, do pretty much everything the game has to offer (bar 'rares collecting' which is not a poor person's hobby... ) and have fun, you do NOT need all the bizarely priced stuff out there. Pretty good, and relatively inexpensive, gear and very importantly a couple of friends to hunt with, willingness to learn how to handle the encounters and time (because sadly everytining in UO comes down to a grind where if you do the thing often enough, eventually the rare item drops) means you will get it all - you just won't get it all now.

    Probably the hardest thing is understanding what comprises a decent quality armour and weapons combination for a template, and usually the people who buy their way to the best equipment without playing the game along the way (the only way to learn how it all goes together) find they still can't do the really hard stuff anyway.....
     
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    It's not
    like it belongs to you, didn't you read the small print in the UO TOS, EA owns the gold, they just let you hold it for a little while. :p
     
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    1) You are correct removing zeros would have no effect on the level of wealth individuals possess. That said there IS a reason why people who understand relative currency value wish to knock off some zeros: When you think about the Avatar wandering around Britainia no where in your imaginings do you see him paying 175 million gold for a magic sword. It's simply aesthetically displeasing for the setting.

    2) You cannot stop people selling valuable imaginary things. A gold cap would accomplish absolutely nothing toward those ends, all it would do is make gold less fluid, and thus less useful as a bartering medium. If gold were capped a new informal currency would be adopted, like say... relic fragments, and those would be sold as currency 2 for real life money. Gold cap is not only pointless, its actually destructive, as many people would just quit when their wealth was chopped down, and they would be right to get angry about it. Now I don't know if you support gold caps from what you posted here, but all the same, there it is.
     
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    Nah i don't support caps on gold.
     
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    I don't think it would take such a long time if you are dedicated *shrugs*. Really the only items that sell for truly outlandish prices are rares, things that serve no practical purpose. Houses in special areas of course are probably the most valuable things in the game, but like rares, no one needs these houses. Go place a max storage house in the middle of the woods somewhere.
    I mean some uber pvp gear is 100m+ but really with caps... how uber do you need to get? No one is out there steamrolling the competition because of their awesome suit. That extra 2% in casting focus might save your life on occasion, but really... it's pretty small.

    If you want a fancy house or a fancy glowing mongbat statue... Work for it. Or if you are lazy, buy it, and who cares? Heck, who would even know if you didn't tell them? These are just vanity items anyway. If you want to spend good money inflating your epeen in a dying game, then more power to you. ;)
     
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    Very good then. :p
     
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