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Has anyone got a fishing order at 105 with Dungeon fish in AFTER Pub 69 ?

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  1. popps

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    It was my understanding that the requirement skill level, in order to get offered fishing orders from the Fishmongers that contained also request for dungeon fish, was lowered with Publish 69 from 106 down to 105.

    Well, AFTER Publish 69, I have done at 105 skill level already some 15 fishing orders if not more, and not 1 of them had dungeon fish requests in it........

    What is worse, is that I have asked fellow fishermen who also are at 105 level and not 1 of them has yet to receive a fishing order that contains dungeon fish requests. And some of these fishermen reported to me having also done already some 10+ fishing requests after Publish 69.

    So, here comes my question : has anyone so far received, at 105 skill level (higher levels please need not to answer....), a fishing order that contained a request for Dungeon Fish ?

    Thanks for the info.
     
  2. Cetric

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    The publish has been in for like 5 hours... and no one plays origin... give it a few days...christ.
     
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    Well, through the people I have spoken with I am already at some 100+ fishing orders at 105 level containing no Dungeon fish. Not 1 of them from what fellow fishermen have been reporting to me.

    Not enough to start wondering ?
     
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    After going over the pub 69 notes, NO place does it say you can get dungeon fish order's at 105, all it say's is they will make it easier to get the power scroll's over 105 :thumbsup:
     
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    Alright, over a number of Posts the Developers, as far as I understood it, and also at the Stream Video Chat, acknowledged that having Dungeon Fish start at 106 was a nonsense because, since in order to get a 110 fishing Powerscroll players needed to have orders with Dungeon Fish in (more points and qualifying level for 110 PS) but dungeon fish started to be offered only at 106 level, players had NOT 1 CHANCE to advance in their skill unless they binded 8x 105 PS into a 110 powerscroll and so moved up to 106 skill level at which Dungeon Fish started being offered and where players could get a 110 PS as a reward.

    But then, it made no sense whatsoever to earn a 110 PS if one already had made it through the binding of 8x 105s......

    Hence the need and the recognition that it was necessary to lower that starting level to get offered fishing orders including requests for Dungeon fish, from 106 fishing down to 105 fishing.

    At least, this was my understanding regardless whether it may or not be in the Publish notes.

    Now you are making me wonder whether we are back to square one with this Publish as in regards to fishing and whether players STILL NEED to have to bind 8x 105 PS if they ever want to advance in their fishing.

    That would be unfortunate, because I WAS stocking up 105s to bind them into a 110 but decided to sell them right because I understood the changes to fishing orders would have made it possible for us to get dungeon fish orders, and so earn 110 PS, when being at 105 fishing level and no longer need to reach 106, first.

    By the way, I am STILL earning useless "rare" books left and right at the same rate as before (already got 5 useless new books after Pub 69...). There is nothing that I hate more than getting these damn useless "rare" books. Each time I get a useless book it means I have burnt, wasted, thrown away all for nothing, LOTS of fish, crabs and lobsters which took me considerable time to get. At least these damn books could be used for anything but they are just a total waste of fish, crabs and lobsters.......

    From my perception with the orders I have so far done after Pub 69 (about 15 so far...), I have to say that all I got was baits and books, just exactly as before the Publish.........

    So far, I have not noticed any improvement whatsoever.
     
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    so I ve been hoarding fish/lobster for weeks for this publish. I ve now been turn in quests nonstop for the last five hours. Before this publish ive recieved several 105 that i just sold so I still have only 105 skill. This morning I ve receive 8 wondrous fishing scrolls. Maybe they just want us to bind them. That is about it for me since I m running out of shallow fish. Based on the rewards I recieved I turned in 55 quests.
     
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    No dungeon fish in any of those 55 orders ??

    If that is the case then yes, I have to reach your same conclusion, we seem to be doomed to have to bind 8x 105 fishing scrolls if we ever want to advance out fishing skill.

    Bottom line is, as it looks as of now, nothing changed pretty much with fishing orders with this Publish.......

    Are you also getting the same rate of useless "rare" books as before the Publish ??

    I hate those books with all of myself, they are just a waste of valuable fish, crabs and lobsters.

    At least you got 8 105s over those 55 orders, I have got NONE over like 15 orders so far.

    I just feel so stupid that I sold the 105s I had because I trusted the upcoming changes to fishing orders....

    I wished now that I had kept my 105s and not sold them. By now I would have already binded them into a 110 PS and been able to keep going...

    Dammit.
     
  8. Argh how about waiting a few days
     
  9. Viper09

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    Gee, I don't know, I have not had any time to play since the publish went live only this morning. So unless you are only talking to a select number of people or those who play origin, be patient.
     
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    Waiting a few days for what ?

    I mean, is there a "timer" that needs sometime to turn on and fix the fishmonger orders ?

    I mean, either they work right after patch or they don't.

    We were expecting to be able to do dungeon fish orders at 105 skill level.

    Well, it is not reasonable, IMHO, that not even 1 single order has been reported as having dungeon fish at 105 skill over some 200 orders I have so far heard about.

    I am seriously starting to think that the requirement was not dropped from 106 down to 105 and that we are still doomed to have to bind 8x 105s in order to advance in our fishing skill.

    Besides, I was expecting also to see way less useless "rare" books and instead, I am still having to get these damn books which have no use for and only waste my fish, crabs and lobsters which take so much of my valuable time to get.
    I really hate these damn books, if only there was some use for them. They entered the crabs and lobsters as Library turn ins, was it so much extra work to also put these damn useless "rare" books as possible turn ins ???

    Besides, the publish notes report as the "reputation" with fishmongers to have been fixed.

    Really ?

    I have done hundreds upon hundreds of fishing orders and never ever refused not even 1. My reputation should by now be like skyrocketing so high that it reached the moon....

    Yet, I am getting a whole lot of small orders with only 1 type of fish even !!!! Over the last 10 orders I got like 6 of them were either 1 or 2 or max 3 liners.

    I was expecting to see a whole lot more high end orders and yet I am seeing a bunch of 1 or 2 lines orders ?

    And I should think this as in line with fishmongers' reputation having been fixed ? Yeah, right.....
     
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    Not me - I've turned in orders and got the same old 'rare' baits and another useless 'rare' book so far as rewards and no dungeon fish in my new orders.
     
  12. Popps in some cases you might need a few days or 24 hours for enough 105 fishermen to try it out.

    I guess you can keep checking here for hours and when someone says yes... cheer.
     
  13. Lord Frodo

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    :yell: OMG I NEED THIS INFO ASAP OR I WILL DIE.:wall:
    Give it a rest. Please show us where they said it was going to change from 106 to 105, it is nowhere in the notes. LOL From 15 orders to 100+ orders. So which is it 15 or 100? I been fishing for 5 hours and I don't have a 120 scroll and I am still getting low end orders.:sad2:
     
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    just wanted to say I did not get any dungeon fish orders at 105 but my 10th or 11th order today got me a 110 scroll (was a 5 liner). So after having done 100eds of orders before it sure seems a LOT easier to get higher scrolls to drop now (or maybe pure luck on my part).
     
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    shutup until you sell it for mucho goldo
     
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    http://vboards.stratics.com/uo-fish...at-what-said-regards-fishing.html#post1868271

     
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    I got a 110PS on the first quest i handed in.
    6 Liner ... had kept it in my hold for a while (since the bug with the dungeon fish got known)

    20 snow crab
    10 crusty lobster
    20 yellow perch
    20 kokanee salmon
    15 black seabass
    20 haddock
     
  18. Lord Frodo

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    Read the notes for the patch or would you like us to go through them for you and explain it so a 5 year old can understand it. No where in the pub notes does it say you can now get dungon fish quests at 105. Can you understand that or do you need someone to hold your hand, again. They can say a lot of things but unless it is in the notes then NOTHING has changed.
     
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    DonĀ“t plan to. Beleive it or not: I have eaten it.......ALIVE!!!:p
     
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    congrats
     
  21. Gowron

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    Popps, it never ceases to amaze me how much you erroneously interpret publish notes.
    I am also incredibly amazed that you've accomplished turning in over 55 fishing quests in about 9 hours and still have time to whine, stomp, and moan on these forums.

    Now, it seems to me that the fishing quests are pretty much similar to receiving BODs. Just because you have achieved a reputation to receive a really cool fishing quest that may yield a fishing scroll doesn't necessarily translate into that is all you are going to get. It seems to me with all the combinations and permutations available, you may not get the "one" BOD you are looking for after 100 turn ins.

    The only valid point you've made in all of your drivel is that it is not cool to expect someone at 106 skill to be able to attain a 110 scroll. Of course, the fact that they made 110's easier to get alludes to me that they now require 105 skill at the most. Having said that, this in no way alludes that dungeon fishing is now the only means to get one.

    Just for once, please try to enjoy the game you play. So far your questions and suggestions are coming off as "I can't read the publish notes", "I was lied to", or "It shouldn't be hard for me to have something that nobody else should readily get."
     
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    :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
     
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    Excuse me ?

    There is a chat with the Developers, players ask specifically a question about the 106 skill problem with dungeon fish orders, people report the Devs saying that it will be lowered to 105 skill which is reasonable and makes all sense in the world (definately way more than expecting players to have to bind 8x 105s...) and I read the notes wrong ?

    Uhu ??

    By the way, as in regards to reading right or wrong, it was not me who did 55 fishing orders but this was mentioned by Fermi...
     
  24. nope wounder if we are going to build up to 120 five by five :wall:
     
  25. Babble

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    Congrats
     
  26. I got a 110 with 5.
    Sorry I wasnt expecting anything and it was old. No details to give.
    I just dropped it off.
     
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    Nope: and the post above this one.

    Edit: And the one right below this post too :p

    No worries southeaststarwars!
     
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    another 110 Scroll drop here

    4 liner to jhelom
    20 Spiney Lobster
    20 Black Seabass
    15 Tarpoon
    20 Bluefish

    saving up on lobsters and crabs the last weeks was well worth it .. it was my 8th quest i did today - countless before
     
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    Everyone knows Poops can't read publish notes.
     
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    Go Figure how this thing was coded....

    Considering the indications given (1 point for shallow/deep fish, 2 points for crabs/lobsters and 3 points for dungeon fish)

    The total of your order which granted you the 110 was 150 points :

    4 liner to jhelom
    20 Spiney Lobster = 40 points (2 each)
    20 Black Seabass = 40 points (2 each)
    15 Tarpoon = 30 points (2 each)
    20 Bluefish = 40 points (2 each)

    Another order reported as giving a 110 PS was for 170 points :

    20 snow crab = 40 points (2 each)
    10 crusty lobster = 20 points (2 each)
    20 yellow perch = 20 points (1 each)
    20 kokanee salmon = 20 points (1 each)
    15 black seabass = 30 points (2 each)
    20 haddock = 40 points (2 each)

    Myself I just turned in a 6-liner order to Trinsic for 180 points :

    20 Snow Crab = 40 points (2 each)
    15 Spiney Lobster = 30 points (2 each)
    10 Crusty Lobster = 20 points (2 each)
    15 Cape Cod = 30 points (2 each)
    10 Red Snook = 20 points (2 each)
    20 Cobia = 40 points (2 each)

    But what it got me ? A damn Unicorn fish bait 67 charges....

    And another 6-liner order to Floating Docks for 160 points :

    20 Blue Crab = 40 points (2 each)
    20 King Crab = 40 points (2 each)
    10 Crusty Lobster = 20 points (2 each)
    15 Gray Snapper = 30 points (1 each)
    15 Blugill Sunfish = 15 points (1 each)
    15 Green Catfish = 15 points (1 each)

    Got me another damn Bait, a Spider Crab bait for 55 charges....
    I have baits coming out of my ears........

    But what I find does not add it up, is that with a 180 points order I was not able to get what you got with a mere 150 points order.......
    I mean, my order was some 20% better than yours and yet you got a 110 PS and I got yet another bait which I already have zillions of........

    Unfreaking believable.........
     
  31. Viper09

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    ...it's never going to always give you a scroll popps no matter what level you turn in. You're never guaranteed a scroll, that is RNG for you popps, this game is always based on a RNG. It's the same way all BODs are run, get used to it popps.

    So if you're going to continue complaining popps, your topic should be over the RNG system.
     
  32. Gowron

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    You are excused. I could give a rat's arse about what has been said in chats with the developers. There is a world of difference between what is said and what actually gets accomplished. Your life will be so much easier when you go by published guidance (what actually got done) than what you actually infer by what people say (what they intended to do).

    I stand corrected on the point that it was someone else who did 55 fishing orders, but at least I got that from this thread instead of a conversation that was held in another...
     
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    Some people are just never satisfied.
     
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    I suspect it is not entirely the same as the BOD system.

    With BODs, there are certain Order Deeds which can have a 100% certainty to a given reward and infact, if one consults the http://www.towerofroses.de/ web site both for the tailoring and blacksmithying rewards, one can see how, depending on the BOD one wants to turn in, one can pretty much expect to get this or that reward.

    For example, a Normal Agapite 20 Small BOD will always grant you a Dull Copper Runic Hammer.......

    And I could make tons of such example.

    I am of the opinion that fishmonger orders should also have orders which will grant 100% to the player, a given reward, perhaps a Powerscroll......

    I think that having a system where 2 players get the same one item with so much diversity of expenditure, for example a player using a low end fishing order and a player using a much rarer and time consuming higher end fishing order to obtain the same one reward ain't much helpfull in maintaining a happy player base...

    I mean, if 2 people buy the same can of soda but one ends up paying it like 10 times the other if not more, how will this make the one who paid it so much more be happy ?

    Since the cost here is in the filling of the order (i.e. the time needed to fish what is needed to fill the order), if the discriminant is the type of order rather than the random reward, the risk of wasting fish, crabs and lobsters and most importantly, perceived expectations from the player, will be much minimized.

    I will make an extreme example to clarify my concept.

    Let's imagine a player who gets a 6-liner all 20 units fishing order which, on top of it, has 2 lines with dungeon fish, 2 lines with crabs and lobsters and 2 lines with deep water fish.

    This would be a hell of a high end fishing order rather hard to get, right ?

    The player fills it up with expenditure of time and effort, turns it in and get... aheam, a useless "rare" book ???

    Chances are that this will get the player mad because, given the difficulty of the order, the player was expecting so much a better reward.

    That is why I think the order should be way more selective in the rewards they can give, to avoid players be royally disappointed in their expectations and consider the whole system an entire waste of their time.
     
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    Just for the record, another 6-liner order to Britain done several hours after the previous ones to try avoid the evil streakiness of the current RNG (how unfortunate that a player cannot play what they want for a given time because the RNG seems to be "streaky" and so it would be advisable to avoid insisting on a bad streaky RNG period of time....) for 180 points :

    20 Blue Crab = 40 points (2 each)
    20 King Crab = 40 points (2 each)
    20 Hummer Lobster = 40 points (2 each)
    10 Black Seabass = 20 points (2 each)
    10 Cobia = 20 points (2 each)
    15 Captain Snook = 20 points (2 each)

    Got me what ? A damn stupid Lava Lobster Trap which I will most likely loose in a couple of minutes when deploying it due to traps' sinking.... and of which I already have more than enough!!!

    This is nonsense.

    Someone has a 150 points fishing order and gets a 110 powerscroll while someone else has a 180 or so points fishing order and gets a damn stupid lava lobster trap or yet another damn fish bait ??

    I would really love to know how the hell the rewards have been assorted per fishing order level because I really, but really cannot agree with how they were mixed up.

    It takes a WHOLE LOT OF TIME for those who do not script to gather all of the fish and crabs and lobsters needed to fill an order, especially a high end order and getting ridicolous rewards is really disappointing to say the least.

    The possible rewards should have been way, but WAY more limited and certain high end orders (6-liners) should only and exclusively allow receiving the best type of orders which are definately not books, not special equipment and not baits.

    That's at least how I see it.

    Personally, I do not see any much improvement for fishing orders after this Publish, it was a pain and still is a pain and a total waste of time. Maybe a little less a waste of time for some luckier players, but definately still an enormous waste of time.

    I spent since yesterday hours and hours doing orders (have done more than 100 I think), wasted hundreds of fish, crabs and lobsters and only got 1 105 powerscroll.

    Can we simply liquidate the issue to bad RNG ? Could be, but nonetheless I do not think this is right, not when this is supposedly an "entertainment" product.

    I can understand randomness but not so much extreme that even hours upon hours upon hours and hundreds of attempts do not get through the RNG.

    I mean, I turned in twice as many fishing orders as Fermi who, with 55 orders at least got 8 105 PS and myself only got 1 lousy 105 ?

    And one should think this as reasonable and acceptable ?

    I think there is enough to think about the damn RNG and wonder whether it is fair that players keep playing with this type of an RNG.

    This is the result of burning a whole week of fish, crabs and lobsters fishing not to mention the many hours of orders turn ins just to bring home 1 105 fishing PS.
     
  36. Cailleach

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    D'you know, Popps, given the amount of time you spend here complaining about one thing or another, I'm surprised that

    a) You have time to play

    B) You are still playing, when you clearly consider UO to be such a terrible game

    rolleyes:
     
  37. jack flash uk

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    Just do what i do, add Ivory Norwind and Popps to ignore, stratics is so much more pleasent in my world;)
     
  38. Kas Althume

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    As a mod he can't ignore them, in case they write stuff that is against the law. ;)

    I myself have have popps on ignore. Seems to be easier to talk to a brick than getting any sense into popps.
     
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    Small point - I'm a girl :)


    Technically, since I don't mod here I could probably put Popps on ignore, but, I don't like to, not only with him but with everyone; they might show up where I DO mod.
     
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    I got a 110 fishing PS on my 12th order post pub 69 while at 105 skill.

    (order was Skara 2 Jhelom: 10 Rock Crab, 15 Mahi, 20 Amberjack, 15 Rainbow Trout, and 20 Redbelly. Also, this was my 78th order overall. Yes, I am ocd and am tracking all of this crap)

    I have 15 points in SOTs saved up, so I went ahead and got to 110 skill.

    After that, I took quests at all the docks and 6 of them are 6-part orders WITH lobsters/crabs and dungeon fish requirements....

    :thumbsup:
     
  41. hen

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    Your name is a bit of a give-away.
     
  42. Beastmaster

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    popps, please produce the post where it says that dungeon orders would come at less than 106. Also it has been proven repeatedly that crustaceans are 1/2 point each not 2. This was specifically asked of Mark during the last chat and he did not understand the question and blew it off so it was not changed.
     
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    Well, to me and you yes, but probably not to anyone that doesn't have a basic knowledge of Gaelic.

    Just a 'so you know' - this name comes from the name for my main char, Cailleach Bheaur and most people in game just call me Cail, or, occasionally, by my real name too.
     
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    Well, I'd throw out the need for dungeon fish...My fisher is GM, hasn't eaten any scrolls, and she just turned in the following order and got a +10 scroll.

    15 Red Snook
    20 Bonito
    20 Red Grouper

    That was after less than 10 orders filled after the publish. The only difference with Molly might have been that she was doing one order at a time from when she got HS, and I think her reputation was pretty decent. But still, you don't need dungeon fish. And GM skill is all that's required.

    Wenchy
     
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    Code:
    Quests accepted :	107	
    Quests completed :	107	100.00%
    Quests
    1-Fish-Quests :	52	48.60%
    2-Fish-Quests :	20	18.69%
    3-Fish-Quests :	10	9.35%
    4-Fish-Quests :	8	7.48%
    5-Fish-Quests :	11	10.28%
    6-Fish-Quests :	6	5.61%
    Rewards
    Autumn Dragonfish Bait	12 x	252 charges
    Fairy Salmon Bait	9 x	153 charges
    Giant Koi Bait	11 x	248 charges
    Great Barracuda Bait	19 x	503 charges
    Holy Makarel Bait	7 x	112 charges
    Lava Fish Bait	1 x	67 charges
    Lava Fishing Pole	6 x	6 poles
    Lava Lobster Trap	4 x	4 traps
    Order of the Dragonfish #1	6 x	6 books
    Order of the Dragonfish #2	5 x	5 books
    Order of the Dragonfish #3	1 x	1 book
    Order of the Dragonfish #4	4 x	4 books
    Powerscroll Fishing +10	1 x	1 scroll
    Powerscroll Fishing +5	2 x	2 scrolls
    Spider Crab Bait	1 x	65 charges
    Stone Crab Bait	7 x	189 charges
    Yellowtail Barracuda Bait	11 x	149 charges
    You are not the only one tracking this "crap". ;)
    The stuff above is just the result page, i still have the details to any order. Quest 107 was done yesterday (+10 scroll) the rest ist pre-patch quests.


    Sorry Cailleach. ;)

    *edit*
    That is 1 quest after another.
     
  46. Slickjack

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  47. Bman

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    Yesterday after the patch.. here are my results..

    I was at 105 skill when I started. I did 57 quests last night. After about the 30th quest I recieved a 105 PS. This gave me my eighth 105 to bind together to get my skill up to 110. I ate the scroll and also ate a 1.0 pinky to get my skill up to 106. Prior to getting skill up to 106 I had not recieved any orders that contained dungeon fish. After getting to 106 skill I started getting quests with dungeon fish in them.

    I did another 25 or so quests after reaching 106 skill and did not recieve anymore PS last night (No 105s or 110s). Did end up with 2 lava poles and 7 laval traps last night with 7 books to boot (woohoo - love me some good reading material.. not!) after all my runs last night. I know there were two 6 part orders last night that tallied up to 95 fish and 100 fish and both ofthem gave me a book.. that's all the better! Guess last night just wasnt my night for the RNG, I will be back at it again this evening to give it another go around.
     
  48. Bobar

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    I have to agree with the argument that the higher the order the better the reward should be. That system works for Tailoring and Blacksmithing and has done for years, once again it wasnt broken but its been mended.

    To use the RNG for fishing rewards is a particularly stupid example of changing things for the worse. The RNG generates enough complaints relating to drops at champs but nobody has really argued for a change, its been accepted.

    If someone spends a long time filling a 6 line order in my opinion they are entitled to a commensurate reward. The RNG has already been used to generate the original order and even that is allied to having completed orders i.e. fame. Why now tie the reward to the random distribution of the RNG again.

    If they are trying to p*** people off with fishing as far as I am concered they are succeding.:wall:

    edit:- Gave this some more thought and it seems to me the difficulty should lie in obtaining the best orders NOT with the rewards.
     
  49. popps

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    I did it already, see post #16 in this thread.

    As in regards to Crabs and Lobsters weight, see http://vboards.stratics.com/uo-fish...224970-fishing-quest-rewards.html#post1867937