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Has anyone tested the range of the new bard masteries?

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Lord Chaos, Jun 1, 2010.

  1. Lord Chaos

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    As the topic says, has anyone tested the range of them, do you have to be very close, within a screen or does it work quite far?
     
  2. Divster

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    Only tested disco ones and you need to be closer than with normal discord, i'd say half as close or there abouts as being right on edge of screen
     
  3. WarUltima

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    Amazing how lazy people are.

    Disco mastery is also the only one I tested the exact range is 8-tile radius.
    Working on provocation as of rightnow.
     
  4. TheGhostRaider

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    Nice. I was at 6 title with mine. Have you notice a difference if you wear SDI with the disco. I have test with Navery and doesn't seen to make a difference 8 SDI or 72 SDI remain the same. the only think that change is the resist of each Navery that make the damage change. for 35 to 41. Since the are spell dmg, it will be nice that the more SDI you have the more dmg u do.
     
  5. Slickjack

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    I've tested this on the Provo Master skills, I had a party of 5 and we ran a Slasher. I stood on a ledge above the 4 guys tanking him and the range for invigorate was about a full screen, it stayed in effect and would reinstate on the party members when they ran back into range....

    I made a custom modded suit for this evaluation:

    decent hit points, but mostly maxed for the mana upkeep that I expect from this template

    192 mana ( 200 after starting invigorate)
    31 MR (will be 33 after I get ahold of a tangle)
    120 med
    120 focus
    40 lmc

    Now, even with this crazy mana regen suit i built, I still couldn't keep the spell up constantly because each heal that the Bard Mastery would throw on a damaged party member would basically mana dump me, in addition to the regular mana upkeep that is constantly being drained from my pool.

    The upside of the suit was that after the buff wore off, it only took me seconds to get back to 200 mana and recast the Invigorate, which added 20 HP, 8 stat bonus across the board, and very decent healing ability to each and every party member...

    I think this is the only Bard Mastery of the whole bunch that I will be using, but can only recommend it if you have an extreme suit like the one I built...
     
  6. Lord Chaos

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    What on earth does this have to do with laziness?
     
  7. canary

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    How on earth do you have that much MR? I'm trying to do the math in my head but I can only get to like low/mid 20s...
     
  8. chuckoatl

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    WTH do you have on to get 31 MR....... I smell something fishy
     
  9. chuckoatl

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    Exactly, I used faction arties and hit 26??????? Thats WITH the tangle.
     
  10. Lord Chaos

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    To get 31 MR, you'd have to have 10 pieces with an average of MR 3 per piece. Hows that even possible.
     
  11. Vexxed

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    Mana regeneration from items is effectively capped @ 30 MR... One of the Dev's posted the formula somwhere & in it capped the Regeneration from Items at a max of 30.
     
  12. And also only if you're willing to stand on the sidelines and do nothing but maintain this spell song.

    And also only if you're willing to limit yourself to fighting single targets where everyone in your party can more or less stand in one general area and pound away.

    Getting over 30 MR is definitely impressive. Didn't do max mana regen calculations for myself, but I know that using non-faction arties, you seriously compromise the other capabilities of your suit if you start getting over 18-20 MR. Gotta start sacrificing other useful stuff to push it out that far.

    Is there any way to use these new masteries where you don't have to sacrifice every other capability your character has just so you can stand in the corner and watch others fight?
     
  13. Slickjack

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    Well since the very NEGATIVE post about "smelling something fishy" let me spell out my suit completely for you all:

    All numbers are mana regen

    Crown of Arcane Tempermant - 3
    Pendant of the Magi - 3
    faction Rune Beetle Carapace - 3
    arms - 2
    legs - 2
    faction orny - 3
    faction crystalline ring - 3
    general spellbook - 3
    tongue of beast replica shield - 3
    lt sash replica - 2
    conjurer's garb robe - 2
    shadow cloak of regen - 1
    frost guard talisman - 1

    for a total of........OH, like I said before 31 and that's without the 2 I'll get from the tangle I just purchased...

    I've always heard and thought that if you had 120 focus and med that it cancelled out the diminishing returns of having MR that high... if Im wrong, im wrong but it still is a relatively simple suit to build....

    Also, if you must know, I don't mind being a team player and not actually hitting the boss in these situation... it's called being unselfish and everyone in my guild helps each other out in these ways... we also roll on everything that we get, just like we do at Harrower's when some people are dedicated as defenders and have no chance at a stat scroll or replica drop.... Too many ppl are selfish in this game and also WAY to quick to jump to conclusion with out asking questions first...

    Besides all that, this was simply me participating by sharing what I had learned in my own research, thanks very much for the trolls... classic f'in Uhall people....
     
  14. WarUltima

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    Having high Med OR Focus lowers the effectiveness that DR has against your MR items. It doesnt cancel them out. And you only need either Med or Focus to drop the DR efficiency. But yea that MR suit is crazy, but I also remember there's no cap on MR but with the formula a DEV posted long time ago the gain in mana regeneration higher than 30 gives virtually no significant benefit.
     
  15. Slickjack

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    Well, who the heck knows what it is today or if it has changed since this "so called Dev post a long time ago".... maybe we need a clarification from a DEV here... that would be coolio....
     
  16. Poo

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    i hate to post in here, cause im the worst at following the current caps, but i could have sworn that MR went into DR at like 18?

    from what im reading above im guessing i was (or am) wrong on this.

    now i kinda wanna make a suit like that, hahaha
     
  17. Experimental

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    Mr Tact brought in the idea of diminishing returns from MR on a suit right before he left UO. If you go over 8 MR on your suit, you run into the diminishing returns range, but I can't remember whether or not having med or focus affects the diminishing returns.
    The diminishing returns is still a part of the game, nothing has changed.
     
  18. Llewen

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    From what I understood MR went into DR at 2 and anything beyond MR 12 was pretty pointless. There used to be an MR calculator on Noxins I think, but I see that website is no more...

    edit: I see that Stratics has an MR calculator here, and I was wrong, there are still significant benefits above 12 MR...
     
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    "Mana Refreshed per second:

    As of Publish 46, the Mana Regeneration item property became subject to diminishing returns. The hard cap on MR was removed.
    As the total MR from items increases, each successive point of MR will give less overall mana regeneration. Adding more MR will always give more mana regeneration but as you put more MR items on, you get less of a bonus from each additional MR item.
    Having higher Meditation and / or Focus skill will give a bonus to mana regeneration gained from MR items. Meditation and /or Focus will now benefit for intermediate values and not just for multiples of 10 (i.e. 80.1 used to give you same MR bonus at 89.9)."

    Thanks for the link, very interesting read, I'm still wondering if this is currently accurate and would love a confirmation from anyone of the Devs...

    I certainly can tell you this, I changed suits from the max MR suit, to my faction spawners suit with 12 MR, 40 LMC, and 150 mana, and the mastery ability was completely unusable...so compared to the suit I posted above, the 12 MR just didn't hold up and regardless of what is posted about the "waste" of having 33 MR, I think I'll keep using that setup....
     
  20. Diggity

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    http://uo.stratics.com/content/skills/meditation.php

    I believe this calculator is based on the last MR calculation posted by a dev. Item 8 indicates item cap is at 30. What would be interesting is if you could get into lich form and see if your regen increases. I'm not sure if the lich MR bonus is considered item or not. I'd guess it must be, as I don't really see where else in the formula accounts for it.
     
  21. Vexxed

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    Slickjack Said:
    Congrats on buying that Tangle... I hope you have other uses for it than your MR suit.. bc since you were so rude in your above response I guess I can prove it to ya....Notice the TEXT in RED Below

    Link to Ask Dev Forum: Posted by Phoenix Mythic Jan 12th 2010...
    http://vboards.stratics.com/showthread.php?t=170563

    Phoenix Mythic Said:
     
  22. I can also confirm that the provoke mastery abilities are basically useless with a more normal suit of armor. I tested with 150 mana, 40 LMC, 15 MR and 120 Meditation and was not able to keep it going for even 1/2 the time with a party of 4. There's just so many better ways to use mana.

    I also tested on a provoke/archer, and my conclusion is that this is a sick joke. This char has about 60 mana, 40 LMC, little mana regen, no med or focus, but uses a mana leeching bow and is able to spam non-stop chivalry & bushido specials non-stop. Was able to maintain a spell song for about 5 seconds before depleting mana and crippling the template (no ability to use bushido or chivalry any more). You simply cannot leech mana fast enough.

    And regarding hunting with a party, I have good experiences with the crew I hunt with as well. I'm sure your guys a happy with the buffs and heals, but the question you should be asking is whether you're really helping efficiently. For example, what if you were to take the skill points & mana used in these bard skills and instead spent them on a mystic, spellweaving mage and you still stood back as support? You could lay out some EVs, rising colossus or insect swams; you could heal, cure, using cleansing winds; you could cast buffs that require no mana upkeep; you could dispel revenants; you could cast gift of renewal, gift of life; you could throw in a few attack spells. If it were my hunting party, I'm pretty sure I'd appreciate that pile of benefits more.
     
  23. Konge

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    I'm pretty sure he meant that you could have just hopped on test, or even a prodo, and tested the range yourself. Thought that his point was obvious. Probably some biased based on how it seems that every question you get you post and then debate the answers. I don't know...
     
  24. Lord Chaos

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    Yeah, I'll just jump on a prodo shard and test it. rolleyes:

    I can't connect to the test server, haven't been able to for a long long time.
     
  25. Green Mouser

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    If no one asked how/when would the egotists on this site slam others? Or how would those that like to test these things out and help others know when/where (post) to do it?

    I despise test center I normally do it the hard nosed way on my prodo site. I appreciate when others ask and 'helpful' people share their knowledge.

    This site like virtually all boards has their Elite *******.
     
  26. Picus of Napa

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    The best thing about these boards are the players and members who joined/stared playing 2 years ago and slam true vets at every turn.

    Here is a guy asking a valid question, as much as I find Chaos's general points annoying, this is a good one and here is another guy stating his findings but the board clan calls hacker and cheat(fishy wtf?). Again we could never expect for a dev to comment so its left to the hoards of stratics to come to the rescue again, thank the lord for this.