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Hated Creatures

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Pinco, Mar 29, 2012.

  1. Pinco

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    There are some creatures not appreciated aroud that may be improved (except the dragon/drake red/brown thing that IMHO is a bug and not a feature).

    • Fire Steed:
      [​IMG]
      As you can see the old 3d version was the best, but since it was a 3d model and the new one is a stop motion image, probably it can be improved like the fire beetle that gives a better "burning" feeling.
    • Ostard:
      [​IMG]
      The main problem of the ostard is the skin. It doesn't looks like a reptile skin.
      Also the head uses to have the horns, except the desert one that was bald:
      [​IMG][​IMG]
      I've also found a nice concept around:
      [​IMG]
    • Skeletal Steed: new version here
      [​IMG] [​IMG]
      this one comparing the CC and EC versions, looks more made in metal than a dead horse...
      Maybe something like this could be better:
      [​IMG]
      or this:
      [​IMG]
      however is not so easy :p
    • Exodus Overseer
      [​IMG][​IMG]

      As we all can see the old version is a robot, the new one is a ghost... but exodus are robots so is much better the old one.
    • Exodus Minion
      [​IMG] [​IMG]

      Like for the overseer, we should have a GIANT robot, but we have the same ghost used for the overseer instead :(
    • Giant Serpents
      [​IMG][​IMG]

      In CC the animation was right, in EC we have a little snake barely visible, far from being giant...
    • Silver Serpent
      [​IMG] [​IMG]

      as for the giant snake, on CC we have a big serpent, on EC we have a small snake...
    • White Wyrm
      [​IMG][​IMG]

      The white wyrm on CC is big as a dragon, on EC is big as a horse... but the design it's better than a dragon since it looks more "reptilian"... or maybe it's just the horns that makes it more aggressive :p
    • Dragon/Greater Dragon
      [​IMG][​IMG]

      Except from the fact that all the dragons are red, I think the main problem here is just the skin that doesn't seems made of scales, it looks more like the whale skin... smoth and shining :p
    • Hiryu/Lesser Hiryu
      [​IMG][​IMG]
      The old hiryu was clearly not good since it looks a plane with the legs, the new one is in the good path, but the real problem are just the wings and the skin (same problem of the dragons).
      The very problem of the wings is the dimension, basically they should be proportionate to the body (like on the CC plane version).
    • Bake Kitsune
      [​IMG][​IMG]
      The EC bake kitsune first impression is the size of the beast, but it's not the real problem.
      The japanese mythology describes it as a fox spirit with many tails (more than 1 and up to 9), the more the tails the more is powerfull.
      Actually we have a red dog that is not even close to a fox... :(
      Here is a fox and a dog picture:
      [​IMG][​IMG]
      as you can see the main difference between the 2 beast is mainly the tail that should be more thick...
     
  2. Storm

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    I like the EC skeletal steed I do agree the fire steed needs looked at and could be improved ..not only the art but its stats to!
     
  3. Pinco

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    there are the 80% of the creatures that needs a revamp not just it :p

    The skeletal steed is not ugly in its form, it's just too "shining" to be made in bone and flesh like a metal horse...
     
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    Yes it could use more of a mat finish
     
  5. Arrgh

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    Dragons, swamp dragons...most all of the mounts and pets actually. Fire beetle looks like a 1st grader designed it. I could go on but you guys know what I'm talking about I'm pretty sure.
     
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    Dragons and beetles are the absolute worst looking creatures in the EC.
    .
    I actually do like the Swamp Dragon in the EC though. I didn't at first but now I've got used to it and I like it.
     
  7. Pinco

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    If someone wants to fix it, needs to know what's wrong with that and how will you change it, so more details would be much appreciated :p
     
  8. Ashlynn_L

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    I think the white wyrms look great in the EC, they are just too small.

    Some of the creature designs don't make much sense. For example the Exodus Minions and Overseers look like CC wraiths. The Blackthorn Juggernaut also looks completely different (although I think I prefer the EC one to the original... thing).

    Giant serpents need making into actual giant serpents.
     
  9. Pinco

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    I don't see anything wrong with the beetle actually...
    [​IMG][​IMG]
    and here is a real beetle:

    [​IMG]

    this is the fire beetle:
    [​IMG][​IMG]

    and the real beetle:
    [​IMG]

    Honestly I think those beetle are pretty good if compared with the real model :p
     
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    I guess where the beetles actually look the worst is when one is riding them. I suppose I've really just always disliked them as mounts even in the classic client.

    To amend my first post, I'll just say dragons. Dragons are horrible in the EC. I miss by faithful
    brown dragon from the classic client. In the EC, he's shrunk and puny and red and looks exactly like every other dragon.

    I've always thought it lame that Greater Dragons also look exactly the same as regular dragons.
     
  11. Pinco

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    I consider the missing brown dragons a bug actually...
    but I have to agree about the greater dragons, as the name says, they should be "greater" than a dragon even if with the aspect is just another scaled version of the dragon model :p
     
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    Way too much luster and they look broken (maybe better to say they look like they are fixing to fall apart any minute) on the fire beetle. The blue beetle doesn't look as bad to me for some reason. I can see the ground through the fire beetle body but not the blue beetle, perhaps that is what is making it appear so bad imo?
     
  13. MalagAste

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    Actually of all the pets the WORST is the Hiryu.... WTH is that thing????? It's UGLY ... 100%... followed closely by the reptalon.... now there is a useless pet.... and stupid looking too. I agree about the Ostards... I used to love them.... they were always so cute.... especially the forest ostards... but they aren't nearly as cute in the EC.

    As for the Dragon I couldn't agree more... looks more like a whales skin than a dragons scales... it lacks texture. But many things in the EC lack texture. Graphics have improved somewhat but they still have a LONG way to go.
     
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    New Actually of all the pets the WORST is the Hiryu...TOTALLY agree on this one.

    In Pinco's first post, the rendering of the desert ostard is exactly what the Hiryu looks like in the EC except it has funky looking protrusions that I am assuming are wings.

    White Wyrms look wicked cool but agreed are too small. Dragons, while only in red still look pretty decent to me. The fire beetle looks like I'd imagine it should...very flaming red hot...I is scared to ride mine, I don't wanna burn my poor crafters behind :)

    Now that I can actually run the EC I've been doing alot of looking around at those in particular...the creature renderings and I'd have to say 90% of them are really good...albeit a few minor tweaks such as texture...overall I like them.
     
  15. Pinco

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    The reptalon... well it's not that bad...
    [​IMG][​IMG]

    The reptalon seems based on the mythological Chimera and should have head and frontal legs of a lion and the rest of the body should be a dragon. The head do not corrispond to the description and I'm not sure how and if it can be improved...
     
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    I would be happier with the fire beetle if it wasn't so big. The giant beetle got shrunk to a more reasonable size, the fire beetle didn't.
     
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    WWs look pretty good in EC, but they're too damned small.
    Drakes/Dragons/Greater Dragons (Should've named them Great Wyrms) need to have the Brown color as well as the Red.
    Giant Beetles look pretty good in EC, Fire Beetles don't look very good in EC.
    Ant Lions look awesome in EC.
    Solens look pretty damn good in the EC.
    Terathans look pretty good too in the EC.
    Reptalons were turned into "Puff the Magic Dragon" in EC, when they had an almost vampiric, batlike look in CC (If only they had the Life Leech ability of a Vampire Bat, in order to put them somewhat on par with a Cu Sidhe's Healing).
    Golems actually look decent in the EC compared to their goofy look in the CC. I still kind of prefer the old "Dull Copper Elemental" look they had when they first came out. They flat out need to be buffed, and the repair cooldown needs to be lessened to like 10 secs. I have a pretty good idea on how to make them sort of "bondable" that i posted a few years back.
    Meers look horrible in EC, they look completely human. Nothing like the feline-esque Meer of CC. Hell, not only do the Meer Eternals not even look old in EC, but the Meer Captains/Mages don't even look Female in the EC.
    Lizardmen actually look pretty damn good in EC, enough to make me wish they were a playable race. I'd name my Lizardman Fencer "Sasustha" (Sounds like what they're saying, has been the name of all my Argonian chars in TES series since Daggerfall).
    Ogres, Ogre Lords and Arctic Ogre Lords look too much alike, not enough distinction at all, especially in the case of the Arctic Ogre Lord.
    Gazers look good, but the Gazer Larva and Elder Gazer look too much alike.
    Liches, Lich Lords and Ancient Liches look too much alike, practically no variation whatsoever.
    Crystal Elementals still look like crap in the EC.
    Efreets actually look like Efreeti in the EC.
    The Gore Fiend in the EC is a total copy of the "Lickers" from the Resident Evil movie.
    Giant Spiders, Frost Spiders and Dread Spiders look goofy as hell in the EC.
    All variations of Snakes and Serpents don't look right, especially the "larger" varieties being too small.
    The Skeletal Steed, Hellsteed and Grizzled Mare actually look pretty good in EC to me.
    Harpies look a little funny in the EC.
    Holy ****! The Hellcat Predators don't even look like big cats in the EC!
    Juka Warriors, Juka Mages and Juka Lords look exactly the same in the EC.
    Ki-Rin....WTF is that supposed to be! Doesn't look anything like the Ki-Rins in the CC, and he's goofy as hell looking!
    Swamp Dragons have way too large of wings in the EC.
    Revenant Lions don't even look Undead in the EC.
    Sphynx looks goofy in the EC.
    Titans look damn good in the EC.
    Tsuki Wolves look goofy in the EC.
     
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  18. Sevin0oo0

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    sounds almost like we need more threads; liked/not EC/CC, that might be the thing that got a setback, equality between clients.
     
  19. Petra Fyde

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    But if you change them, I wouldn't be able to charm an ogre lord, edit the name and take it to Yew gate fel disguised as 'an ogre'!
     
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    Solens are too big in the EC.

    That is all.
     
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    Creature i don't care for the graphis of in the EC is:
    All members of the Lich family. They don't look undead at all. They need to be ragged and undead looking.
     
  22. I agree with this. I actually like the Lich art, but just don't call them Liches! Use the current Lich graphics for a different or new creature, and bring back the Classic Client Lich, or something similar.

    And don't get the wrong idea about me; the CC Lich is about the only thing I want back from the CC!
     
  23. lit2fly

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    LMAF
     
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    I have just never really *wanted* to ride a cockroach in a game! I prefer the old fire beetle and the blue beetle. But the "blue beetle" is now a cockroach.
     
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    That "Old EC" fire steed looks like it's wearing pants. There might be better pictures out there. Anything else I'm thinking will derail this thread ;P.
     
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    Alot of the Ec monster/mobile art is good alot better than in the old client some might need a change in colour others need more texture but my problem with ec is that they look a bit flat i would like more shades around the edges so they stand out from the surroundings more

    Problem in both cc,ec is that all mobiles look like they are floating around maybe if they would leav a track a couple tiles behind them they would look more attached to the ground

    Riding horses and horse like creatures in ec is bad this is the first mount a new player will use better not scare them away before they see what good uo have to offer
     
  27. Pinco

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    yes, this picture is bad, but the lbr fire steed leaves a fire trail behind while walking that was cool :)

    also the footsteps sound should be more suitable based on the terrain type...
     
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    [​IMG]

    This should be the Charger of the Fallen.

    The Charger is depicted in the lore as the cursed mount of Mondain's lieutenants. ("Mondain's Curse" is Undeath in Ultima Lore.) But in EC it appears much closer to what one would expect of a Britannian Warhorse.

    Other gripes? The Golem isn't much taller than a human in EC. Nor is Scalis. And some of the Mechanical / Steampunk monsters in Ultima lore (i.e. Blackthorne Juggernaut) are no longer machines at all.
     
  29. Pinco

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    I have to agree with that... however the charger on CC looks more mechanical than undead :D