i went out tonight and ran around some. snagged some numbers. did a glance at them and took the highest and then the lowest. thought maybe we could pool numbers and try to get a firm range for the new beasts. HP 1139-1849 STR 1142-1422 phy 67-85 fire 69-88 cold 45-55 nox 55-60 enrgy 55-72 those where the high and low i got off of one night of looking. all where new spawns and unbuffed. i know some people where chucking around educated guesses and such, but i wanted only real numbers, numbers that people actually have seen. anyways, if anyone has a high or low end to add to the ones ive listed above id love to hear from ya, just reply here and ill edit the list as times goes. maybe in a week or so we can get some firm values set up. Poo.