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Having fun with scripters

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Yellow Beard, Jan 24, 2010.

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  1. Yellow Beard

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    I had just tamed a bull in the taming pen when an afk scripter tried to tame the same bull before I released it. I decided to see how far this would go and did not release the bull. The scripter continued to follow the tamed bull around the pen trying to tame and release it. I checked back after 30 minutes and he was still trying to tame the same bull. Finally the scripter checked on his progress and saw me laughing at him. He left without comment lol.
     
  2. ingsmsico

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    congratulations
     
  3. Kiminality

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    At one time, there was a scripter taming great harts in the healer grove in Ilsh. running a path around the grove, and moving to any harts it found, taming them and killing them.
    It was a fairly robust script, really, but for one slight weakness.
    If all the harts in the grove were herded to follow another player, the script would keep trying to follow the harts, as the other player lead them off.
    It took the scripter until almost the Lord Oaks champ spawn to notice they were on a Tour de Ilshenar. They weren't very happy with it, although I thought I made a good tour guide - I even pointed out landmarks as we passed them.
     
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    I've heard they follow you through gates for the animals so if you ever see them again gate them into like fel release all the the bulls in either a dangerous area or gate straight into pks haha
     
  5. What is the best way to spot said scripters?
    I'd gladly gate them to Fel far ya...
     
  6. Cailleach

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    Yeah, that's a common one, and, with a little imagination, one you can have immense amounts of fun with :)
     
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    Duh..........., I have a feeling that it is the scripters who have fun (and a good laugh) at all of the other players actually spending their time getting things done in the game while they get going with their lives and yet, still get things done in the game as well......

    Whenever the developers will get rid of scripting in Ultima Online it will be a day to celebrate for me.....

    Scripting is soooooooooooo bad for the game, IMHO.
     
  8. Cailleach

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    The ones I've run into attending after I've messed up their 'training' haven't been terribly happy about it. The language was shocking. Shame, eh :p
     
  9. UOKaiser

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    If attending then there not unattended macroers so why bother them wouldn't that be called harrasment or grief? Im just trying to get this straight.
     
  10. Fink

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    You rock! :party:

    Nobody accounts for the motivated shepherd, and it is to their detriment!
     
  11. Kylie Kinslayer

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    Ummm they gotta be there to report you, kinda hard to grief or harass someone whom is not there. And if they are there then they aint unattended macroing and don't get bothered
     
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    Haha, I think you win so far :D
     
  13. UOKaiser

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    Thats what I was asking. Cause he said that the ones that he messed up there training cursed at him and wasn't happy which would indicate they were there to curse at him.
     
  14. Cailleach

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    Allow me to clarify.

    1) I'm a she :)

    2) When I've seen scripters, they've been unattended. There have been later occasions when I've come across the same people attended. I will speak to people to see if this is the case, as well as spending time watching. On the later occasions, I have smiled sweetly and said that I am glad they are attended this time. The response has to been seen to be believed, and no, they're generally not at all happy. I'm more than happy to state that should I find them running a script, unattended, in the future, I will be more than happy to disrupt it again.

    If I am doing anything that involves a repetitive action, like mining, mining sand, taming bulls, I will always, and without fail, indicate to anyone that happens by that I am there and awake and attending. Usually by putting a smiley up.

    It's pretty much impossible to disrupt someone who is there and attended and not scripting using the same tactics as you would to disrupt a scripter. Kimi's post is a perfect example. Another is gating em to somewhere like Haven - someone attended and not running a script will spot the gate and sidestep it. Or leading them and the tamed bull they're following out and parking them in the hut outside the yard. Or in the next pen along. The list is endless, and if they were attended, it wouldn't be possible. And, lets face it, attended players don't, as a rule, follow the bull you've just tamed like a lil puppy dog, nose stuck up its bum, wherever you may lead.
     
  15. UOKaiser

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    K got it now.Just never become a grief maker it's usually a short leap between the 2. Oh and the make all the bulls disapear for the day thing now that messes up with everyone's training. I'm glad I don't ever have to go through those times again. Also if i say he again it's just my memory hasn't caught up to me.
     
  16. ingsmsico

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    there's a gump to enter fel
     
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    I don't think there is one unless you're leaving from a guard zone through the gate.
     
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    Yay...another thread talking about breaking the rules! WELL DONE!

    Hey mods, don't you ever check stuff like this?
     
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    You are correct... there is no gump if your in hostile territory going to other hostile territory...

    And you can't greif someone who is not playing. It's nothing different than getting an NPC killed... seeing as they like an NPC are being played by a Computer program NOT a live person.

    Also it's real easy to tell a scripter from someone who's attened...

    An attended player isn't going to just follow you blindly into somewhere bad.... a live person isn't going to follow a bull around a pen for an hour.. trying to tame a tamed bull... only computers do that... A live person is going to get irritated with you if you're competing with them for the same location they were at before you... computers don't care if you take all the Great Harts and lead them over to the ratmen... where ... or something of that nature.

    Actually playing beat the scripter is likely another "game" within the game. Maybe... it's a playstyle... I know some Fel Dudes who enjoy beat the scripter. Just saying is all... you don't have to be in Fel to play.
     
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    ah ok. ty for clarification.

    you have an interesting point here. a layman scripter will download a pre-made script that can easily be exploited by a human out there trying to "beat the scripter"
     
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    Yeah, it's fun to rename the bulls and watch the tamers walk/run around in circles for hours on end.
     
  22. Petra Fyde

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    Oki, I have now read this thread very carefully.

    It is not against the rules to allow someone to follow your pet.
    It is not against the rules to herd harts
    it is not against the rules to cast a gate. - it would be if the gate had been requested and didn't go to where you'd told them it did. An unsolicited gate into a guardzone will get no one in trouble.

    It would be against the rules to move the creatures off Jhelom north island but still on the same sub server. I've seen no one suggest that.

    btw, you can't herd creatures through a gate and tamed creatures moved to felucca would allow re-spawn in Trammel.

    It is against the rules to allow your computer to play the game instead of you.
     
  23. Jackson

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    Who Cares!

    Everyone is a scripter, get over it.
     
  24. popps

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    Is that the scripter breaking the rules, right ??
     
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    What about taming a cu sidhe and rename it to 'a bull' and release it there?
     
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    I will never be a griefer, no fear there. And I don't make the bulls vanish either. If you can't find em, check the other pen on the island. I know a few folks who'll release them there so they can still be found/tamed by anyone other than those who are running scripts.

    Scripters annoy the hell out of me, most especially afk ones. They devalue any work that attended non scripting players do, for a start. Like the little guys you see unattended mining in Tram. Yes, I know who you are, and just as soon as I have time, I'm going to mess with your script. You devalue the work of every single player who mines the right way, me included. And then there's the nuisance value; I'll be slogging round taming bulls the hard way when some twit legs it up, waits til I fail, then tames the one I was about to try again on. THERE'S ANOTHER THREE OUT THERE, GO TAME ONE OF THOSE! My husband was responsible for chasing certain gold farmers out of Fel about 18 mths ago. And Tram too. Haven't seen those ladies in an age. It's amazing the havoc you can cause an unattended gold farmer with a lil stealther, and you can make em work for you, for free too. I made a mint off the PoT he pinched off em :)
     
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    No dippy...I don't use tamers nor do I do anything unattended.
     
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    Sometimes you have to zoom out to get a view of the big picture. Like it or not monkey see monkey do...thats in our nature. If you like threads like these leading to people harassing those they think are afk...then allow them to take place.

    Otherwise...I will be your friendly reminder of what things like this lead to.
     
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    It's not just about being unattended, is it though? UOA is an approved third party program. That means that EA have approved its' use with UO. It's entirely possible to earn yourself a free break if you use UOA unattended, isn't it? A fair few of the other programs used are not approved, attended or otherwise. Those are the ones that really do stick out like a sore thumb, for a number of reasons I'm not going to list here.


    Can I ask, please, that we make Petra and the other Mods on this forums life easy by NOT mentioning by name those unapproved programs that anyone with access to google and 5 mins can find out about all by themselves. Thank you :)
     
  31. Splup

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    Easiest way if you want to take over the taming spot from scripter is to lure some hostile mob there and invis yourself. Then kill the mob and continue taming.
     
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    you can get banned for that in Trammel
     
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    No, I didn't make assumptions; I don't tend to do that, it's never a good thing to do as a rule. I do believe that I, as well as the other players who have posted on the subject, are perfectly capable of spotting an unattended scripter running an unapproved third party programme. If you have any theories as to why Kimi could cart the guy she found as far as she did, or why I am able to lead them about like little puppies, I would be most interested in hearing them. As would, I think, the other players.


    As for let a GM deal with it, well, there's only one response I can make to that :lol::lol::lol::lol:
     
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    yes, the person is using a poorly written script
     
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    Iam sure running away from a vile monster and finally being able to hide so it dosnt kill you isnt banable? :)
     
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    this is an ancient debate. if you lure a monster in Trammel with the intent of killing someone it is ban-able. regardless of what the other person is doing. all at the discretion of GM's of course, who usually aren't around anyway...
     
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    'pulling trains of evil mobs' over someone is however illegal.

    However it happend to me several times when i was hunting miasma..and i paged and those guys never got banned for pulling that reptalon near my greater stupidos.
     
  38. Kiminality

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    An interesting philosophical question.
    In the case of my leading the scripter around, I made sure I didn't lead him to any hostile spawns - I even checked his karma to make sure "good" spawns wouldn't attack him.
    Had I grabbed a paragon something, and dragged it to where he was scripting, that would have been luring, plainly. Had I lead him to the paragon, would that have been luring? The end result is basically the same, and it's something I've often wondered idly.

    Anyway.
    There's one primary reason I messed with that scripter. I was training taming in that same place, and the script was jumping on my fails, and generally impeding my progress. That's rude, and since it wasn't a person being a jerk, I stood on a principal.
    I don't generally like the scripter hunters, basically because I don't appreciate being accused of scripting for simply training a skill, or having to justify myself to every passer-by. Especially when, after responding to them, most of them will just ride off (rude, tbh).
     
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    Under some conditions this can keep the animal from respawning (a sporadic bug - usually it WILL respawn after a tame), thereby griefing both attended and unattended players. Taming it on North Jhelom, and releasing it on one of the other two islands of the city can be seen by the GMs as a deliberate attempt to manipulate said bug to interfere with the normal spawn in North.

    Oh, and for the deer herder - I would have taken the deer past Oaks, to fight the reapers, spiders and trolls (via provo), on the opposite side of the lake from the healer grove. I wouldn't let him die, but I'd make it to where, when the harts died, his pathfinding back to the grove would put him on the lakeshore, and he'd time out.
     
  40. Tina Small

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    I've done a lot of taming and 100% of it was done without the use of scripts and always while being attended. However, I get really annoyed when this subject comes up because there seem to be at least a few people around who think it's just fine and dandy to assume that anyone they encounter who has the patience to tame more than two or three animals in a sitting obviously must be scripting.

    A year or so ago, I was taming unicorns near Grimswind on Sonoma. The phone rang and I had to get up and go in the other room to answer it. I wasn't all that shocked when I returned to find my character was dead, given that there is hostile spawn in the area. In fact, while I was in the other room, I figured that was exactly what was happening, given my luck.

    What really really annoyed me was that when I looked back in the journal, I could see that someone must have assumed I was a scripter, even though my tamer was standing STILL and not doing a darn thing. She wasn't spamming anything because the unicorn was tamed before I got up to answer the phone. I just hadn't released it yet.

    From what the journal said, the other character didn't bother saying one word to my tamer. No "Are you taking that to the zoo?" No "Will you be here long?" No "Hey there, how's it going?"

    Nope, all the journal captured was her saying something cute like, "*Chow Time!*" with all kinds of flowery little symbols in the expression. Then she used the inviz spell, presumably on herself.

    I'll never understand why luring a mob on my tamer and her freshly tamed unicorn was necessary, when there's another spot to tame unicorns only a few screens away or in Ilshenar within easy access of any moongate. To boot, the person didn't even stick around to see what happened next. Nope, wasn't in the area when I came back. I guess her duty was done and she managed to "legally" kill some big bad scripter and her fresh tame. Probably made her day and gave her something to congratulate herself about for the next year. She left a pathetic loser scripter STANDING STOCK STILL as an invisible ghost and not saying one thing. Yup, yup....sure sign of a pathetic loser scripter.
     
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    The scripts don't judge what to tame off of the name value, it's off of a different value. Every animal has a type. This would not work.
     
  42. UOKaiser

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    This part I don't agree with. God forbid I recall while I mine if anybody else is next to me " which is the only way i mine". The world ends,persecution,hour long conversations to convince a non listening entity which for some reason no matter how many times I talk to them and do a dance they cannot be wavered to beleiveing am not a computer program. They probably think this is a generated message I leave behind lol.
     
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    I can only speak for myself, not other people. I wouldn't do this. It's as simple as that - rails are dead easy to spot. And as a rule, I just watch for at least 20 mins, to see what happens.

    Tina, most of the people I know who will gleefully disrupt scripters wouldn't have bothered with you; if you're standing doing nothing, you're not bothering anyone.
     
  44. UOKaiser

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    I understand but alot people are annoying as hell. resource gathering is already a tedious task and then you have these crazy zeolots on you. I don't think I go a day without one of these incidents.
     
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    Righteous idiots that pull Lurg on you while you are legitimately working skills in the painted caves is one of those situations.

    It drives me absolutely mad. Just mind your own f-ing business.. for starters, I run the EC exclusively, so I am not running scripts. just let me repetitively do something to gain skill without your righteous interventions. (funny thing, monsters actually target me automatically. Are they scripting?) I find this behavior actually more offensive than scripters, as this kind of stuff is directly involving my game play and not indirectly. I hope that people like the OP have some place or some life where they are happy.
     
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    Well, apparently I annoyed someone enough to make them think it was okay to lure stuff onto my character. When you check the journal and what you see are these lines, it's hard to believe it was a situation other than deliberate luring:

    You see: Character Name
    You see: Character Name
    You see: a flesh golem
    Character Name: ~* Chow Time! *~ (or some such silly nonsense)
    Character Name: An Lor Zen - Invisibility

    No attempts at conversation. No sign of their pet's name or a summon's name to go with the "Chow Time" command. Not a single syllable typed to find out if I was there at all.

    I had a feeling my character was probably in jeopardy when I stepped away to answer the phone without recalling her first. But since the spawn I had seen was a few screens away, I thought she probably was okay. I wasn't upset about the fact that my tamer character got clobbered. Nope. What burned me up was that it looked like someone deliberately lured junk onto my character and probably walked away from the situation thinking that they had done something wonderful to save the game from a big bad scripter. Instead of accepting the fact that someone was already in the spot they wanted and happened to have the spawn already tamed, this person seemed to feel compelled to take matters into their own hands so they could take over the spot. They couldn't just move on to one of two other places where they could do their own taming or even attempt to make conversation and see how much longer I was going to be around. Nope, the fact that I had a fresh tame and was just standing there with it seems to have been sufficient justification for them to engage in luring.

    If people want to stand and watch me tame stuff to make sure I'm not scripting, fine and dandy. I will usually stop and say hello. And I always try to run around in some crazy, varied pattern and alter what commands I give for releasing and killing the fresh tame with my nightmare and then gathering the leather and loot. In other words, I go out of my way to make it obvious to some vigilante that I'm NOT running a script.

    And that, I think, is what makes this whole topic so frustrating. At what point does any of us just say we've had enough with paying to play what seems to be a dying game where it seems the high point of someone's day is to come on a forum and boast about the things they routinely do to ruin someone else's time in the game? It's just a sad, pathetic situation all the way around because it seems so unnecessary. I often wonder if this exact issue of people feeling compelled to "do something" themselves about scripters and cheaters is one of the biggest unspoken reasons many people eventually drift away from playing UO. How in the world do you ever attract more people to a game or keep them in a game when some of us apparently find most of our fun and challenge in the game by figuring out how to derail another player's script? Do some of us really have the luxury of spending our money and time on doing that when there's so much else in the game to do? And how many people have just flat out gotten tired of the rigamarole of doing repetitive stuff legally while wondering the whole time who is watching them, secretly hoping to find some justification to page on them or grief them because OMG they just might be scripting?! I don't know about anyone else, but there are days when I really question why I still play a game where the motto with many players seems to be, "You're guilty until proven innocent." All the mistrust and suspicion in this game really make me wonder if it's even worth playing some days.
     
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    Well said. Thank you. You are absolutely right! Here on stratics some people think they can get some strange "social stature" by doing things in the game that some vocal minority seems to approve. These "defenders of the true UO" are the ones that are most culpable of destroying the game they claim to love so much. This issue and that of the enhanced client seem to go hand in hand in that respect. Just because someone has the time to post 5000 posts on stratics does not give them the right to destroy the game that is enjoyed by thousands and thousands more who do not post here on a daily basis. Stop the degradation of the game, please! Just play to enjoy and let others play to enjoy the game. Well said Tina Small, Well said.
     
  48. Kiminality

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    Are you shoe-horning your issues with the EC into an unrelated topic, or is there actually some relevance to your bringing it up?
     
  49. Tina Small

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    I'm guessing that he's referring to the many posts that seem to imply that if you still use the legacy client and UO Assist you must be a cheater.
     
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    Escaping isn't bannable. Luring in Trammel most definitely is. Two wrongs don't make a right.
     
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