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Hell Hounds by the banes

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Travis82, Jun 22, 2010.

  1. Travis82

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    these are like super hell hounds 300+ hp wow anyone tamed a pack yet? They only take up one slot
     
  2. Uvtha

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    Woah, what... they are tamable and only take up one slot and have 300 hps???? That's some messed up business right there.

    I was under the impression they weren't tamable.
     
  3. Travis82

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    i got a few with 290 rest are like 270+ figure ill upgrade my hell hound pack :thumbup1:
     
  4. A Rev

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    Oh HELL yea!!

    They thought dreads where bad in pvp...imagine being hit by 2 firebreaths at once!!!

    ROFL!!!
     
  5. shulginist

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    Thanks for the heads up.
     
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    Well if you use a pack to kill with you might as well get these they have more than twice as many hp then normal ones. Now I just need stew for the banes i have.
     
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    These hell hounds fire breathe me for 20 thru my 70 fire resist.

    I am almost sure that when fully trained, no other pets in game will out damage these hell hound pack. And they eliminated frenzies pack's biggest weakness... no HP/Resist to withstand a strong blow.
     
  9. Uvtha

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    This has to be a mistake. As much as I'd love a pack of mini dragons...
     
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    Mmm, hot dogs... if this isn't a mistake then I think it might need a teensy weensy change...

    Any idea what the skill requirement for them is? Not that it makes much difference, more random curiosity ;)

    Wenchy
     
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    I've got to tame a pack. When I will have time, I cannot say . . . but wowza.

    The bane dragons have better resists than dreads, too, btw. Better average hp, as well.
     
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    I just want to give you a heads up, Those hellhounds were not supposed to be tamable. It is not an exploit to tame them, but any that are made into pets are basically going to be deleted in a couple of days. Enjoy them while you have them but they are just too powerful to stay in as a pet in their current form.
     
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    Will that delete even stabled ones? Haven't tamed any myself, But I was going to.. *shifty eyes*
     
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    Yes. Sorry, I just wanted you all to know because I saw people getting pretty excited... not that I blame them for being excited but 5 of those dogs with 300 hp each and pack instinct giving them 25% bonus damage would just be... well... not good.
     
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    They weren't supposed to be tameable...which is why the publish went forward without checking that, I assume? :/ lol come on ... it was on Origin for weeks

    Man, I just cleared out my stables to get them. Figures.

    Like Mapper said, you guys going to delete the ones in stables, or how does that even work and how can you check against old ones? Grr.

    Edit: Well, I guess that's what you get for playing a new Publish on the first day :p lot of wasted time.
     
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    Yea well I had some ideas with hellhound packs with spellsong buffs, these are crazyyyy.

    Since 5 frenzies had decent melee DPS at the cost of tankability imaging 5 dragons rocking pack instincts. Not only each of them hits much much harder melee than frenzies, they also fire breathes.

    Oh well I knew it was too good to be true.
     
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    so what your saying is....your going to kill our dogs? o_O
     
  18. shulginist

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    I sure am glad I got rid of 5 of my pets to make room as well...
     
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    Ouch. :(
     
  20. ChReuter

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    Ugh, this is one of those things I completely agree with in principle but since i tamed a bunch of em (luckily I had stable room =D) I'm kinda upset... So much for the overpowered me.
     
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    lol get PETA! :)
     
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    The old ones have the same dps, they just have half the hp. You can tame those and they won't be deleted.

    I'm not sure how much you want of the nuts and bolts here, but in spite of the fact that they look like the old hell hounds, the game sees them as an entirely different monster.

    And yes, the ones in your stable will delete themselves too.

    I do want to put out a new improved hellhound, and I intend to make it tamable, but it won't be this one.
     
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    Well for what it's worth, thanks Mark for giving us the heads up.

    Like WarUltima, I sorta knew it might be too good to be true ;P. And, realistically, it would mess up PvP, I guess. I mean, the hounds still have no cold resist, but even so I guess that's four wither which would take too long against 5x20 firebreath + melee w/ 4x pack lol.

    I gave up my entire frenzied pack of 164 str each, a hiryu, and a greater dragon that wasn't that great :). I shall live! :O but ugh all that work to get those frenzied haha.
     
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    Sounds good Mark! Pack creatures are so underated these days and are my favourite pets that i have the most fun with, i've had my pack of 5 hellcats for years now and always enjoy hunting with them more than 1 big pet. We also use them in the Europa RP community as the higher end pets aren't allowed so i use 2 hellcats and such then :)

    Will there be any more pack animals introduced? Like a decent scorpion (hehe sorry i just love scorpions, my favourite animal, i own three myself IRL). Or make the giant black widow tamable? hehe Maybe a decent form of pack snake like making giant serpents tamable, always wondered why they werent, only have those giant ice worms which are a bit bright.
     
  25. I wish you would revert this whole ridiculous fiasco.
     
  26. Yen Sid

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    Umm, no lol. Just under 1 week before it went to all other shards. 06/15/2010 :). I was too busy killing Ophidians to bother trying to tame a Hellhound lol.
     
  27. Travis82

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    Since some of us ditched are bonded dogs for these, could you just turn them to tamable off? and them who have them have another rare pet for the event?

    Like the above guys said some of us got rid of our old dogs because we assumed this was ok since you have been testing this publish for how long now?

    I say just turn them off to be tamable and call it a day.
     
  28. Bye bye extra cu sidhes. Bye bye white wyrm that has been with me for 10 years. Bye Bye pair of raptors. Guess I deleted you for nothing (well, one for a bane dragon I guess).

    Thanks for the thorough testing before releasing it to general public.
     
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    No. Its like 5 regular dragons, all doing +125% of their base damage... thats insane. Talk about an unfair advantage.
     
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    ah. felt like weeks :). well, I was testing it on Test Center too, that must have been it.

    Oh, and I forgot, I also got rid of my Skree to get the new tameables, hahaha :D poor sucky Skree :(.
     
  31. Stupid Miner

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    Why not just make them 2 slot tameables? and reduce their firebreath damage somewhat.

    No need to get pack tamers excited then crush their hopes. It's not a good sequence.
     
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    Seriously need some better testing protocol up in hurrr. This one seems pretty obvious.
     
  33. Alas! Someone actually gets it, glad you guys never overlooked this, i had mad visions of them fully trained pwnin in fel :lol:
     
  34. i still can't believe some tamers got rid of pets for these though. what happened to common sense, did it give way to greed? you'd think people learn by now that unintended tames are never legit (silver steeds, ancient wyrms, paragons, yellow EM pets, etc), why gamble on this too?
     
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    For me, they were pets I probably should have gotten rid of anyway ;P. But, honestly, silver steeds had no real advantage when they were made, did they? Ancients and the rest? Yeah, huge advantage, haha. But from what I recall, steeds were just like mares, only difference was color. Don't know why they were deemed "illegal."

    Anyway, a 300 hp creature should yield an 18 damage firebreath. They spawned anywhere from say 240-300 hp, so getting a 300 was tough (especially one with high STR). Meanwhile, as Mark posted, the DPS (base damage) of the Hell Hounds was the same, only change was the HP. So to me, the big difference was a 9 damage firebreath being doubled. Hailstorm and wither would have still killed them fairly fast in PvP since the Hounds still rocked their 0 cold resist.

    It was a gamble :) and I was expecting a nerf stick, but for anyone who crunches numbers it was worth the gamble. I did save my prepatch frenzied at least ;D.
     
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    insted of these hell houds, put some kind of feline pet.. there are very few of them :/
    something like a greater hellcat with 100% fire damage :p
     
  37. Travis82

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    How about I was under the impression they were special pets that could be tamed in the event like the bane dragon. It's not greed if someone thinks they are part of the event and can be tamed also.

    They should be left in and left alone and when the event is over they are rare just like the dread mare.
     
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    Exactly. Two new creatures spawn near slasher: bane dragons and hell hounds. How was anyone supposed to know that one was tamable, one was not?
     
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    by use taming skill on it and check what happen?
     
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    Both could be tamed using the taming skill, but we were only intended to tame the one.

    Look back at the conversation above. Someone has accused folks who tamed the new hell hounds of exploiting the system, because the hell hounds were not meant to be tamed. However, there were no indicators to communicate that the hounds were not intended to be tamed. Quite the contrary: they spawned next to a new tamable and hell hounds elsewhere are tamable.

    I completely understand why folks would tame the new hell hounds. I do not think that they were trying to exploit the system.
     
  41. shulginist

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    What does taming these have to do with greed? It went through testing, how did we know it wasn't intended? What do these have to do with your bad example of other pets?
     
  42. and yet, how many of you bothered to test the hell hounds on TC or Origins?

    anyone? anyone? we all know the answer here.

    even the original posted was like "wow, these are like super tames", which should've evoked a lot of suspicion instead of unstabling pets to make more room for them (5), like some have. so yes, it's greed once you tamed more than one.

    sorry for the losses, but hey, some bugs with events are better than no events at all, really.
     
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    Wow. Ok, where to start. Are you familiar with the concept of pack instinct? When pets are grouped with other pets who share their pack instinct, their damage is increased. This is why people use packs of 5 frenzied ostards, packs of five hell cats, and packs of five hell hounds.

    Dozens and dozens of these hell hounds spawn in the area. Anyone who wants to can easily nab a pack, or two packs, or three packs, etc. without interrupting anyone else's gameplay. There's not even an incentive for greediness.

    Why tame five? Because this is the only way to reap the full benefits of pack instinct. Greed? Wow.
     
  44. you so missed the point there buddy, but actually that brings up a good point, if you lored them first, then you'd know that something was off. thanks.

    hell, once i saw this post, i knew something was wrong with those, and once i lored one to see myself, i knew it was an error, and didn't bother taming. common sense, really. these issues have been prevalent throughout UO's history.
     
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    lol
    I made room and tamed some of these too.
    Nothing to do with greed or anything like that. Any tamer worth his salt would be smart enough to get a pack of these. You'd be a fool not to (unless you just didn't know about them).
     
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    And the fact that they spawned near new tamables, who just happened to be more powerful versions of dread mares - mobs that most folks already consider the most over-powered mob in the game - did not cross you mind? Wow. You truly have superhuman powers of deduction.

    Us average folks would have no idea.
     
  47. shulginist

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    I am sure the first people that lored dreads had the same thought and they are still around. Thanks.
     
  48. two wrongs don't make a right... even the dread warhorse/bane dragon don't completely outclass their slot tier or the one above.

    these hell hounds are better than most 2-slot creatures. more health than a drake, pack instinct, firebreath? c'mon now. there was honestly no red flags there that they were unintended or going to get nerfed hard?

    hell, i'd say just bump these to 2-slot, and have them be the hell hound pack leader we lost ages ago. but that would cause whining too.rolleyes:
     
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    Not a bad idea.