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Discussion in 'UHall' started by Piper Everwood, Nov 10, 2008.

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  1. I refuse to date a guy in uo. He has been haressing me using himself and his guild to stalk my house and me. I have a ton of screenshots of them spelling out curse words in fron of my house. They recall in every 15 mintues for the last 48 hrs. I even moved my house because of this. He has since found it and is now showing up here and threanthing to buy the house behind mine. So he can haress me. He has taken into icq ( yes i blockes it) but was threanthing and getting very vugal and sexually offensive. He is furiuos because I wont cyber with him. I have paged many times and the gms doing nothing. I have gone to the local police who are now filing a cyberstalking charges and sexual harresment aginst this guy. So what I want to know is why wont EA do anything about this. When the real life police feel it is bad enough to file charges agaisnt him??????????????????????? Do they care that little about us. I mean come on.
     
  2. GalenKnighthawke

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    I'm not going to make excuses for Mythic's policies. Hell I'm not even going to speculate on why they are the way they are.

    But I will say that, as far as your actual problem goes, use the ignore feature, it works really well.

    It will at least help.....He'll just be like a random NPC that spawns on your lawn. "Joe the Stalker, the Mystic Llama Herder."

    I believe it blocks not just speech from that character, but from that entire account. (That's actually why I can't use it; I can't see spells someone casts, and that means I basically can't PvP well against someone who has a character on my ignore list....But I don't think this is an issue for you, is it?)

    So if everything works right, and we all know this game has a near-100% track record on things working (yes I'm kidding), the only way he can continue his harassment is by making a new account to do it (in which case you can block that one too) or by finding out your RL address (in which case we're way past the point of cyber-stalking).

    -Galen's player
     
  3. There's a couple of problems with that though. Ignoring someone makes it hard to get the screenies/logs/other proof, etc of what is going on. Also it doesn't stop them from sitting outside her house spelling out things on the ground with small objects and pet names.
     
  4. Nine Dark Moons

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    that's really creepy Piper. i hope you can get it sorted via the police action. i had a stalker who would hide on my UO lawn and when he saw me login to game or recall to my house he'd start rapid-fire ICQ's saying "i know you're there, i know you're online, why aren't you answering me!". that was creepy too since i never knew if he was hiding there or not. he was smart enough not to hide in my house since i always use the "detect hidden" feature every time i login.
     
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    wow.. incredibly creepy piper.

    My suggestion would be to move again, this time changing your name and the overall look of your character. Change hair style/colour, anything. If it keeps up, change shards (although that's not exactly a pleasant option)

    Good for you by going to the police. :)
     
  6. Nat/Bella

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    If you want some moral support, PM me the location of your house, and I'll swing by whenever I'm online. In the old days, we were able to police ourselves, and people like that would be killed repeatedly until they stopped their antisocial behavior. Maybe if he sees other people witnessing what they're doing, he will desist. Let me know. I'm sorry that they're ruining your gaming experience
     
  7. GalenKnighthawke

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    Good point on the latter.

    I haven't stalked anyone since I was about 5 years old, and thus have difficulties imagining everything a stalker could do.

    For the former though, she's got a lot of proof as it is, from what I'm reading here.....So who cares if you can't get more proof? They aren't acting on the proof they have now...So what good's more gonna do?

    But on the latter, yes....I hadn't thought of that.

    -Galen's player
     
  8. Kayhynn

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    Wait a second. You're saying someone should either soulstone their skills, delete a character, create new ones and change everything just because someone is being a jerk (not the words I want to use) and is stalking her?

    Or are you saying she should *gasp* spend money to buy name change tokens? Not even that will help because they will assume by association of those she hangs out with that its her...so are her friends going to have to change their name too?

    No. Harassment is harassment. She shouldn't have to change -anything-. He, however, should realize there are ramifications legally and morally for his actions.
     
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    This is absurd… completely and totally unacceptable. From what I’ve heard from guildmates, harassment is something the GMs will respond to and act on. Having said that, it is no secret how ‘complacent’ or unavailable GMs seem to have gotten these days. From what you’ve explained, this is a serious issue and using the “ignore” option is not acceptable. You should not have to go to great lengths or spend your own gold/money to run and hide from this individual. Come on people, she's already moved her house once. Nobody should be subjected to this kind of abuse.

    I don’t know if EA’s staff of GMs are just to small and incapable of handling the issues on Baja but they have developed a reputation of unreliability. My guess is that someone from the development team will see your post and take action; which I think was your reasoning for posting.

    I hear the frustration and desperation in your voice and I hope you get it resolved. Seeing you have involved the police and have screenshots for proof. I’m hoping EA will jump on this quick as they just might be somewhat responsible for not responding to your pleas for help.

    I’m sorry you have to experience this ‘dark side’ of the game. Hopefully something good will come out of this; perhaps a buffed up GM program.
     
  10. Nevermind again....
     
  11. Kayhynn

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    I would do what she did and turn it over to the police. There are laws about internet harassment and they aren't pretty.

    I've been harassed and stalked RL, which is worse--by far. You shouldn't have to take steps in a game you have to take in RL to get things resolved. She shouldn't be forced to spend 20X how many characterse she has to get rid of a stalker which may not work.
     
  12. HeathBar

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    That is crazy! You shouldn't have to change her name or move your house because of some creep is stalking and harassing you online. The GM's should have taken care of this, I've seen warnings and bans issued for a lot less.

    If/When you paged on this guy did you make sure to clearly explain that you've made every effort to avoid this person?
     
  13. No point in stating facts.....
     
  14. Kayhynn

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    So you're saying you're willing to shell out 120 dollars to change the names of 6 characters if you were being constantly harassed in game to "resolve" the problem even if you can't guarantee it will resolve from that?
     
  15. HeathBar

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    There are other things that can be done besides spending millions in gold for name changes and such that might not even work. Posting here is a start.
     
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    You should go post his ICQ number on one of those men on men websites... That would give him something else to do besides stalk you.
     
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    Just tell him your a dude IRL...problem solved, unless he bats for the other team!!

    All kidding aside, you should have to provide proof to a GM period.

    I have seen people plucked out of game for saying the "n" word or "****"

    wonder why he gets a pass...

    Maybe he has 10 accounts and you have one, is EA that cold! Could it be simple math to them?

    Hope he gets the boot!
     

  18. Dang. Thats what I do. I had odd people hit on my toon. Sad really.

    "dude Im a dude"
    "sorry dude"


    I take it there is a bit more he knows about you then you characture. So its to late to say your a dude. Creepy. But the best thing you did was get the police involved. I would worry about someone and guildies that have nothing better to do then stalk you.

    Please does he really think or maybe a she really think that this is a way to change your mind.

    And who dates off of UO? Scary.
     
  19. Blackadder

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    This is without a doubt unacceptable.
    You should send a mail to whoever has taken over from Jeremy on here.
    It is clearly against the rules which EA have set, they are legaly obliged to sort it out one way or another.
     
  20. walter_mitty

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    this is the saddest post i have ever read on any forum in my life.

    a guy trying to get dates on uo ha ha ha.

    name and shame this guy lol
     
  21. Magdalene

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    No names, please.
     
  22. Ok I will NOT change a char i have spent 9 yrs building and rping. Why Do I have to be the one to change? I already moved once and will move agin in 5 days. Not to mention it affects my whole ally. I will not change my char for anyone. Would you tell a person in real life who is being stalked and haressed to change their name and who they are??? I think not. All I want is him banned. I have had enough and i cant keep moving my house.
     
  23. Tjalle

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    How about just put him on ignore as suggested and let him spend his time standing outside your house looking like a fool. :loser:
    And I take it that U recall to places when you´re doing stuff? Then he has to scout entire Sosaria to find you I guess. Let him spend his time doing that as well.

    Or how about just move one more time but this time to Fel. Then hire some PKs that you can ICQ when he´s outside to take care of him. :lol:

    I´m not sure if I should laugh or cry when reading your post cuz that sure sounds like a sad individual...
     
  24. Tjalle

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    Also it would be kinda nice to know where your house is so I can go and laugh at this person... :p
     
  25. Then all I can say is continue to be stalked, you must get some kind of enjoyment out of it to not to go all extremes to change it. Yes I have spent alot on name changes and such, but my game play is more fun then saving up a ton of gold and having nothing to spend it on :)....
    I told you what I did in my situation. Problem was solved.
    I'm sorry you can't get any help on this matter, it truely is sad. Good luck to you tho, hope something does go threw and he stops.
     
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    My advice is what others have said. If you have already built a rap sheet against said person from the necessary screen shots, just block the person then.

    The first step to any harassment case though...is to tell the person to stop. If they don't then easily legal action can become involved if you noted the place, time and setting you told the person. Especially in UO where you can take a screenshot of you telling the person to stop...and then them not abiding with your request.

    Don't change your name or move servers. The buck stops with you.
     
  27. i can relate to the harassment and stalking thing myself due to my xwife, who hopefully doesnt play uo anymore, doing that very thing to me. she went WAAAY overboard with it too, telling horrible lies about me, slandering me to anyone who would listen. she changed her chars names and infiltrated guilds i was in just to harass me even further. it went on and on for a couple yrs til she finally alienated just about everyone she knew on the shard all by herself. she couldnt hide her true colors for very long and ppl started to see thru it as bs ...thank god. all i could really do in the end was get her banned repeatedly for it, but i dont think EA ever actually DID anything about it beyond harsh warnings and short bans. eventually she stopped. but it got kinda scary for me b4 it did; the fatal attraction thing i mean cuz who knows what a person like that might do in rl. and i am a guy, so i can certainly see how much more invasive and intrusive and down right frightening it would be for a female to have to deal with.

    i'm not real sure what else you can do beyond the actions you have taken in respect to the police. EA should get off their 'we are looking into it sort of attitude' and really do something about sickos like this.

    sorry you have had to go thru this Piper. i wish you the best of luck. i will say this much, if you were my daughter, that poor fool would learn a valuable lesson about hurting others ...quick.

    :twak:
     
  28. What shard are you on Piper? Perhaps if some people got together we could persuade this individual to leave you alone.
     
  29. Sam the Scribe

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    It sounds like you arlready doing the most effective thing... notifying the police. They can deal with the guy for REAL... best EA would do anyway is ban him and since he's also stalking you in ICQ, it's a broader problem.

    If you can take screenshots, I'd do that as well. Get the email address of whoever replaced Jeremy and email them to her.

    Also, keep paging the GM's. I've had them resolve stuff after I had to log out. So, just do it to keep a record of it.

    Heck, if I were you, I'd try to save the journal when he's saying things and submit that to EA and also print a copy for the police.

    Don't let him get away with it.

    Safe Travels, Sam
     
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    That remark has to classify as one of the more idiotic and insensitive things I've seen posted on this forum.

    The VICTIM shouldn't have to change their life. As a society, we should support them and assist all we can.

    Contacting the police is good, and stand your ground!

    Safe Travels, Sam
     
  31. yes kyrie ...that works to stop some of it from my experience.
    Piper ...if you are on Lake Superior, my friends and i would be happy to help figure out an in-game way to assist ya with this screwhead.
    :thumbup1:
     
  32. laurlo

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    I am very sorry you are having to go through this while playing a game you should be enjoying..
     
  33. woj1s

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    You could always move to fell. and let others on your shard know and they could really go after them.
     
  34. Saphireena

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    I'm really sorry to hear you're going through such a thing. I experienced something similar about 7 years ago. It was a group of boys who did everything they could to ruin the events I was holding by spamming and casting spells, bringing and setting free dragons etc and even went so far as to buy the house right in front of mine so they could harrass me whenever they saw me. When we had event nights they'd come and hassle the customers too and tell them lies about me. They found out my ICQ number and harrassed me there too, at first playing out to be "auction customers" or "friends from my events".

    You know what though? In my case the GMs did help me out and had talks with these people, warning them sternly right in front of my face.

    But that didn't stop them - all it did was make them think up more cunning ways to torment me. They switched it all around and started acting "nice and professional" - so they decided to make a competing business with the house they'd bought and when I wasn't looking, would hand out "business cards" in a civil manner. They'd treat me politely and with the utmost respect, knowing DAMN WELL that it was all sarcasm and that if anything, it was even more infuriating. They made sure to do everything by the book and worked their ways around the rules to get at me.

    I eventually just gave up and shut down my businesses, stopped holding events and left the game.

    I guess what I'm trying to tell you is that even though you could get EA to help you more than they are, this fellow will somehow always find a way. If EA ban him, he'll just buy a new account.

    The police route sounds like it's the best thing to do. Just gather tons of evidence. I'm glad the police are doing something about it!
     
  35. Basara

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    Here's another option:

    How big is his guild?

    If it's a small one, have some of your friends form a guild outside your alliance, and have that new guild declare war on his guild. Use those characters to kill his on sight, if he's stupid enough to accept the war declaration.

    Another idea:

    Have friends create characters with your character(s) name. Have them get him to party "you" for cyber, then they kill him - over and over - say with an invised greater dragon on a character they "know" isn't a tamer. If he can never be sure which characters are really you, it will discourage most people from opening themself up to being routinely killed from partying someone who is NOT the one they want (and having them play hard to get, then give in after a few attempts, to make the decoys seem more like you, can make this work long enough to get the idea across).

    But, by all means, keep up with the real-life actions against him, and try contacting Joanne with the details (And information on the legal actions you're taking)
     
  36. blerick

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    I can log into LS and help hold a friendly discussion with said jerk also.
    Just let me know when and where.
     
  37. Nine Dark Moons

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    also, what some of the male readers might not understand here is how actually frightening it is to be stalked anywhere, whether it be real life, in game, on message boards, on myspace... it is truly frightening. it's not very easy to laugh it off and ignore it. it actually makes you scared and wonder how far that person might actually go in terms of invading your real life. cyber stalkers can be truly terrifying. especially since it's not impossible for stalkers to start learning about your rl, little by little. the most terrifying night of my life was when a myspace stalker messaged me to tell me he liked my new christmas lights i'd just hung up. at my house! that still gives me chills. thankfully it went no further than him parking his car outside my apartment a few nights until one of my neighbors knocked on his window and threatened to call the cops if he saw him again. kensai it is nice to hear from a male who knows that this type of thing can be truly frightening. i have a char on LS - let me know if i can offer any help at all!
     
  38. The Craftsman

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    Yes ... EA really do care that little about us.

    Hope you get him arrested, and EA ... you should be ashamed of yourself.
     
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    I doubt that this will be a very popular reply, but I'm going to post it anyway...


    Why on earth are you bringing the police into this? Why are you getting angry with EA?


    YOU have the option to ignore the character.
    YOU have the option to "accept his offer for a quickie", and gate him to "your house in Felucca, which has a lovely 4-poster bed" and kill him as he drops his trousers."
    YOU can move house.
    YOU can change character.
    YOU can change name.
    YOU can filter any speech you find offensive.
    YOU can stand at WBB/Luna (whichever is most populated on your shard) and tell the population that he is a complete arse.
    HE is not breaking any UO rules by using words that you might find offensive.
    HE is not breaking any rules by buying a nearby house.

    Whenever you page a GM concerning his behaviour, have you first removed yourself from his presence?
    Did he follow you every time?
    Where did you go when you left the area where you were "being griefed"?
    Does he have copies of your runebooks, so he can follow you everywhere?


    Sorry, but this sort of thing is not uncommon or against the rules:

    My KOS characters regularly get told, in extraordinarily graphic detal, what the killer "did to my sister", or to my mother, or what they think I did to sister/mother, and so on.
    My house is occasionally camped by muppets who wander around outside casting sexual aspersions.



    UO is an adult game, which is populated by non-adults, (and adults who get excited by upsetting others).
    Either learn to live with this fact, or quit.




    *waits for the wrath of UHall*
     
  40. The Craftsman

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    So then Fluffi...

    If I was to abuse you in this thread ... call you a F-ing this and and F-ing that, threaten you, threaten your family etc etc, then by your own advice, all you should then do is remove yourself from the situation by not reading this thread anymore. Is that what you'd do?

    Of course not .. you'd report me and expect action to be taken and rightly so. If I persisted then I should be banned and rightly so. But you are telling the OP just to ignore it and take no action.

    Un-believable. Im sure youre not right in the head.
     
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    Actually, UO is now Teen rated game. From the sound of what Piper said, though, she DID walk away several times and she DID move her house. The people are harassing her and that is against UO policies.
     
  42. Leanan Sidhe

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    Piper, I am sorry you've had to go through this! I've been through something like this in RL and it's NOT cool or acceptable at all!
    You've done everything you could do to help yourself, it's time to let others help you! If the people on LS are willing to help, let everyone show up and start paging the gm! Or taking screenshots and sending to Joanna(sp?) !!
    Don't let this jerk and his jerk guildies make you feel like this anymore!
    Let me know if you need any help, I'll make a char on your shard! I'm truly sorry you are going through this!
     
  43. I don't recall anyone saying that. I have char's on that shard, perhaps just pm me a name and guild, we can tap his arse back to tram for you.
     
  44. Fluffi

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    Uhm, no...

    If you were to abuse me in this thread, you would probably by deleted and eventually banned by the Moderators because YOU WOULD BE BREAKING THE RULES.



    Never pretend to know how other people would react - it makes you look silly.
    Nothing anyone could say to me on an internet forum would make me report them.
    I would think less of you, as you felt the need to resorting to juvenile insults; but I would leave any banning to Mags or ZigZag.

    If you want to repeat any of your insults in UO, you are more than welcome. Not only WOULD I not report you, but I COULD not report you. Calling me a mother******* c*** is not against the rules of UO



    Nope.

    I gave the OP a selection of options.


    If they choose to ignore the suggestions, and call-in the police, they are more than welcome to do so (this course of action would say more about the OP than it does their "stalker")
     
  45. I have moved my house and I am moving again. And why Do I have to leave my house? Why am I the vitim in this the one who has to pay the price? This is a teen rated game and spell FU out in front of my guild house where I have minors in the guild isnt offensiver either? It not just me being affect my whole guild and ally is having to deal with this. I am tired of people making this my fault. I have done everything I can to stop this. But he is a lier and he has his guild harressing me while he sits back watching it. I just want to know how am I in the wrong here? And why Do I have to give up and change a rp char i have built for 9 yrs now? Why do I get punished for his crime? Im sorry but that just wrong.
     
  46. The Craftsman

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    Fluffi, The fact that you and your "guildies" often face this abuse and it doesnt seem to bother you in the slightest says a lot. Maybe some people are just comfortable with that type of stuff whereas the majority are not. Nuff said.
     
  47. Fluffi

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    My bad.

    I assumed that "teens" were meant to be vaguely-adult in their attitude (as opposed to the minority of teens who get their kicks from juvenile behaviour, and who probably get excited by looking-up "naughty" words in a dictionary. *shrugs*


    Did Piper recall away?
    How was she followed?
    Does Piper have an ignore option?
     
  48. Landicine

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    You mean like these rules:

    http://support.ea.com/cgi-bin/ea.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=347&p_created=977158515

    1. You may not victimize, harass, threaten, or cause another player unwanted distress or discomfort, as determined by Support Staff.

    2. You may not use any offensive or sexually explicit language, graphic descriptions, or accounts of sexual acts (including but not limited to sexual language of a violent or threatening nature directed at another individual or group of individuals).

    3. You may not use any unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, hateful, racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable language toward any other player.

    4. Characters, items, pets, and other user-created in-game content must abide by the EA Terms of Service, Rules of Conduct and the UO Naming Policy located here.

    5. You will not actively encourage other players to violate the Terms of Service or Rules of Conduct.

    9. You may not violate any local, state, national or international law or regulation.

    "Forty-five states now have laws that explicitly include electronic forms of communication within stalking or harassment laws."

    24. You will not do anything else that interferes with the ability of other Ultima Online users to enjoy playing the game in accordance with its rules, or that increases the expense or difficulty of Electronic Arts in maintaining the Ultima Online service for the enjoyment of all its users.

    According to the Harassment policy:

    http://support.ea.com/cgi-bin/ea.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=41&p_created=975447089

    Piper has certain obligations:

    1. You have asked the player to "please stop", and they have continued to repeat the offending behavior.

    2. You have tried to remove yourself from the situation, for example, by recalling away or moving several screens.

    3. You have done nothing to instigate or further encourage the harassment.

    4. You have added the player to your ignore list, which is located in your UO options, under Filter Options.

    5. You have read and understand Electronic Arts' definition of harassment, and Electronic Arts' Terms of Service.

    6. Your account information is up to date, including a current email address.

    It sounds like she has done many of these if not all.

    One note about profanity from the above page:

    "Please note that profanity itself is not prohibited, as Ultima Online is a teen rated game by the Entertainment Software Rating Board. However, this does not permit a player to harass another player with profanity."
     
  49. Yes I recalled away but this is my HOUSE they are stalking. And I moved the house already once. But im not wasting my breathe on fluffi anymore.
     
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