Hail: I started a new thread as not to highjack the other one. You are walking across a bridge. A Troll comes out and attacks you. You go back n forth, you are low on life, but the Troll is almost dead. Another Troll spawns, walks up behind you, and bashes your head with his club. O000ooOOoo00. "Dang, it, drats, i should have hid, or healed my self, or ran away, darn darn darn, " and off you go to get ressed. You are walking across a bridge. A troll come out and attacks you. You go back n forth, You are low on life, but the Troll is almost dead. ANOTHER PLAYER SHOWS UP, AND STICKS HIS SWORD IN YOUR BACK. OO000OO00oo " You friggin Jerk ass, @#*&#@!, mo fo, $3@&*!, and your momma is a @%^&#*%" . After slamming your mouse down, and kicking your PC, you power back up, log in, and off to get rezed. OK Boys & Girles, what just happened? Well, exactly the same thing happened. Everything was the same. The only difference was that instead of a PC Troll Spawning and killing you, a Real player showed up and did it. So, Why is the second example so much worse than the first? There are 3 main reasons. 1. CHOICE: When the second Troll spawned, you knew it was going to help the other one kill you. That's what evil NPC/Creatures do. You expect, and accept it, because the NPC has no choice. When the Other player showed up, You had very little or no idea what he would do. He Chose to kill you, and you did not like that choice. He could have healed you. He could have healed the Troll. He could have done nothing, and just kept going. 2. KNOW THEY EMEMY: The reason you let yourself get low on life was because you fought Trolls before. They will hit for 3-5 hp of damage, and you will hit them for 16-20 pts of damage. When the other Player showed up, YOU HAD NO IDEA OF HIS STRENTH. He could be the greatest PK in the game, and you were dead no matter what. He could have been created 10 minutes ago, and only caused 11 hp of damage, but you only had 9hp left, and under any other circumstances you would have 1 hit killed him. 3. AFTER DEATH EXPIERIENCE: When a NPC kills you, you is mostly over. Depending on the creature, and the rules, it might take something off you body. It then leaves, and you go Rez. It is Over When a real player Kills you, he will at least try to take all he can off your body. He can sling insults at you, follow you and after you rez, kill you aagin. It may be far from over. ___________________________________________________________ All 3 of these could have been fixed, or addressed in the game. Allowing a player to play as a monster is one way to fix it. There are NO limits as to what it could do. When that Skeleton is attacking you, and you walk into a guard zone, and a guard see's it, it kills it for you. Same thing is that Skeleton was bob. The point of Player monsters is this. It makes the game better, in that the Creatures are better. The point of having a slot as a Monster slot, is that you can play the bad guy, in a setting that it is now accepted. There are no Shard restrictions. That Troll does not care if you are in Tram, or Ilish, or where you are at. If the monster slot was a progressive one, where you gain pts, and transform into a better monster, "Snake-Serpent snake-sea serpent-leviathon, as example, then there is a goal for the monster player, and a goal for the Normal player, as, maybe killing them reverts them back 1 level, or something like that. With your monster slot, you keep all the stuff just like you do now. As a Lich, you kill a mummy, and you get all the same things off the corps that you would if you cad killed the Mummy with your Normal Player. You just can't equip, or use anything that a normal Lich in the game couldnt use. Lets face it. When they have the Special Shard up at Halloween, and such, and going thru a moongate turns you into a random monster, and we all go around attacking each other,....THAT SERVER IS FULL, AND SOMETIMES OVER FULL. I have seen the message, "try to log in later, as player limit is full". or some such message. Oh, and on trying to play as a Creature, Now? This was tried years ao on Catskills. A guild became Orcs. They created new charaters with Orc name, bald, clubs, and so on. Everyone just called them another form of PKer, and not Role Playing. With out the restrictions, there is nothing to stop me, from getting the crap beat out of me by YOU, and saying, "Screw this", and whipping out by Halbred of player Vanquishing, and summoning an EV and summoning my Dragon onto your Ass. " Yea, that's right, i am a super Orc". hehe UO will never do this, it is to late. However, imhop, if a another new game did it, and had player housing, and blocked all unwanted 3rd party programes/scripts, THEY WIN.