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Hey Man, play uo it's cool

Discussion in 'UHall' started by Mervyn, Dec 17, 2010.

  1. Mervyn

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    Mervyn: Hey man, play uo it's cool.
    Friend: Ok, i'm totally new, what client do you recommend?
    Mervyn: for a new comer, Enhanced client

    Some time later..

    Friend: I'm loving this game, I wanna try pvping with a mage.
    How come you can cast so quickly?

    Mervyn: You need to use the classic client to cast as fast as me.

    Friend: ok, how do i make the macros?
    Mervyn: oh you need to download another program called uoassist.
    Friend: WTF? f**k that i'm playing WOW...

    Mervyn: c'mon man
    Friend: oh ok, hey how do i know where you are in the game?

    Mervyn: easy, i pay another guy to host a server for me for another third party app called uocartographer, and you download it and link to it.

    Friend: WTF?

    (this was not a real conversation but one i'd invisage if i ever recommended uo to a friend, which at this stage, i can't)
     
  2. Babble

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    UO has decent macros for spellcasting. For the other things it gets trickier though.

    And though I have no proof . I doubt that EC casts slower than the old client. That stuff is handled server side and might seem slower or out of synch but is the same.
     
  3. Mervyn

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    wow, someone's never pvped with a mage, you doubt wrong.
     
  4. Babble

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    If there was such an imbalance the devs would have fixed it.
    Though I neither pvp nor use the ec client :p
     
  5. Mervyn

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    Brilliant, poetry in motion

    I wouldn't say it was an inbalance though, there are many pvp advantages to using EC.
     
  6. MalagAste

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    hahahhahhahahhahahahhahahhahahaha OMG that's the funniest **** I've heard all year!!!!! HAHAHAHHAHA
     
  7. Zosimus

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    ZOMG!!!!...ROFLSTOMP!!!!! *wipes away tear from laughing so hard* Babble love your posts but I have to agree with Malagaste. Thank you for the comic relief.
     
  8. Omnius

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    I've had that conversation. It usually involves more words and the game mentioned he'd go to was shadowbane. Now shadowbane is gone and he's working on the public emulator project with like 10k other people to bring it back.
     
  9. [JD]

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    Nerf the classic client it gives advantages the EC doesnt!!!!!!11111
     
  10. Babble

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    They are slow, but not that slow :p
     
  11. Cloak&Dagger

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    Honestly it is perceptively slow....It is REALLY hard to play a mage on the EC after spending 13 years playing on the classic client, but I do not find that people cast faster than me, it is only perceptive because the animations are different and off. Quite annoying either way, as it makes it difficult if you use sound or animation as a backdrop to how you cast.

    Edit: I almost forgot it is actually retardedly(this is not actually a word?) slower if you are using the EC targeting method, since it seems to pause after casting before it actually targets, that might be perception also but I am unable to play using the EC targeting.
     
  12. Coppelia

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    That's pretty annoying. The map system is really bad in UO. Even the EC one doesn't go much further. Sure there's a complete map, but seriously, party members should show up.
    And of course how do you explain to mmo players from the now that there's no private messaging. :/
     
  13. Babble

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    UO has an ingame chat system or?
    Not that I ever used it :p
     
  14. hawkeye_pike

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    Another nonsense post.
    UO Assist does not give you a casting speed bonus. You recommended your friend to use an outdated game client that requires a 3rd party tool to work decently. Ah, never mind...

    P.S.: The map of the EC totally replaced UO AutoMap for me. It is as good, even better.
     
  15. Zosimus

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    He didnt say UOA made you cast faster he was talking clients comparing casting.

    To you it may an outdated client but some like the CC and runs better then the EC.

    Big whoop that the CC needs legal 3rd party apps. If it wasn't for those legal 3rd party apps that was made from community members maybe UO would not of lasted so long. You can only do so much with CC macros anway. UO would of been a major contribution to carpal tunnel awareness if it wasnt for such programs when that was the most used client.

    UO Cartographer is sweet imo.

    I tried the mining macro I the EC and truthfully it was very very slow compared to UOA mining macro I made using the CC.

    To each his own but there are features I do like about the EC like the UI's.
     
  16. hawkeye_pike

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    Yes, on a computer that is 10 years old. On others the CC screen movement looks like a choppy slide show while the EC looks quite smooth.
     
  17. Zosimus

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    lol I always have a top of the line gaming computer. It's not choppy on mine. Im getting ready to build another one in June this year. The one I'm on is will be 3 years old by June and it has been updated with 2 graphic cards since I built it. To some UO seems to run better on an old computer. Its debatable b/c of 3d cards truthfully. This one Im playing on now can pay all the high end games with more people and hardly lag. Have a T1 connection to boot. It's all about the proccessor, graphics card, power supply, ram and your connection. Those are your major factors.

    The enhanced client look to me is one step backwards imo. As I said some features are great but over all there are many other games with less funding that look a hell of alot better then UO EC. The UI feaure (DaoC had it first) rocks. DaoC graphics and playing features would be an excellent start if they even decided to make a UO2.
     
  18. Cloak&Dagger

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    The EC map has slow response times when it comes to updating party members locations, and sometimes it does not even show the party members locations on the map. I use only the EC now a days as I am a supporter of "forward thinking" Despite how I feel about some aspects being bad in it.

    Have to agree the CC does not look smoother than the EC but by the same token the EC is not flawless with movement.

    What do you mean by a step backwards? Do you mean to say from KR? In which case I will agree, just seeing you talk about the CC vs the EC is what has me a bit confused, as I don't think it is a step backwards from the CC at all (although it is not much of an improvement in areas such as resolution...and some models suck (kirin.....))
     
  19. Zosimus

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    Yes I meant by KR not CC. My bad for not wording that correctly. If I recall the DaoC graphic engine was what they used to build KR
     
  20. Cloak&Dagger

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    O.K. then I agree fully, especially when considering the downgrade of resolution options. I can almost deal with the rest of the changed art if I could zoom in and out with out it looking like my 2 year old nephew got a hold of my paints. Why even have the zoom option if it is going to look like that heh.
     
  21. Restroom Cowboy

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    Que target gets rid of the need to target with your spells once they are cast boosting the actual time spent casting. Second, in the EC if you do the same thing and the person goes off screen...there is no counter...you have to recast a spell. On the flip side if a person moves out of spell range I can *remove target query* and *hold* the spell on the CC. I explained this stuff in beta, to which no one listened or payed any attention...I was just assured by staff that I was wrong and they were right.

    So, in short...the CC is quicker to cast due to features of UOA.

    PS...the EC map is horrible when compared to UOC for pvp. This goes for range, party limitation, and updates. Now if you play solo...the in game map is no so bad...
     
  22. Harlequin

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    Target queing was added to the EC in march.

    If you are talking abt 3rd party apps and addons, the EC was built specifically to allow players to use their own mods. So both CC and EC can be run with or without any 3rd party addons.

    Uo cartographer is built to be usable by both CC and EC.



    Casting in EC IS slower, but only because macros in EC fire off when you press AND release your hotkey. In the CC, macros fire as soon as you press your hotkey.

    The microsecond it takes for people to release the key makes it seem slower.

    Not because of UOA or any other reason.


    Edit: Did some testing, the EC doesn't fire off macros only upon the release of a button anymore. It casts as soon as the button is pressed.
     
  23. Mapping in the enhanced client is almost exactly like that of UOAM or Cartographer and it does show party members in the map.
     
  24. UOAssist doesn't work with the enhanced client? I've played the classic client since 2000 and I've recently just started using the enhanced client and even running 1400x900 60fps I find casting to be the exact same and smooth. With the enhanced client, it's possible to store targets in your macros to make hot-keys such as "In Mani + Target Self". These type of hot-keys make it so the cursor doesn't even appear but rather cuts out the time needed to click or hit another hot-key to actually target yourself.

    I'm finding that the enhanced client offers everything I need and then some. However, I would like to see an equipment manager to save suits of armor to dress quickly. Other than that, I don't see the classic client good for anything other than running 'script-like' macros on loop. I do not experience any sort of slower casting or delayed response when I hit my macros.
     
  25. Mervyn

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    to anyone who doesn't believe that you can roll of spells quicker in CC than EC, i challenge anyone to a mage duel, (i'll be on CC)
     
  26. Cloak&Dagger

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    You can remove query in the EC as well....And the target que wasn't available in the beta. I agree about the map though, as I pointed out.

    When was the last time you used the EC? Just a curious question since both queing and removing the que are currently in the EC and you claimed you could not do either of these with out UOA.

    Again the casting is Perceptively slower.


    anna anomalous, While the EC map might offer those features, they are still lacking. The map does not update often enough for the party member location to be useful, I thought there was something else I am forgetting that is wrong with the map, OH YEA sometimes the party members don't even show up, sometimes only some of them.
     
  27. Cloak&Dagger

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    This would prove nothing other than the possibility of you being a better mage. I have dueled better mages than myself and I do not feel they are casting faster than me, I simply know they are better, as I have dueled them in the CC as well.

    Last time, casting is perceptively slower when using legacy targeting. (When using the EC targeting it is however slower for w/e reason)
     
  28. lucitus

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    This is all not interesting for a new player, yes the new player tries UO and is asking hey in which client we have a higher input delay?

    No, i have really brought two friends to UO, but the biggest problem i had was the graphics.

    Both clients EC and CC are looking ugly, now you can say okay with the CC this is classic and more than 10 years old etc. but with this new client?

    For me i must really say Third Dawn was better than the EC now, i liked the KR client much, the enviroment a dream, the new models were sharp, the movement was fast, but it was instable, i cant understand why they ruined this game and now UO is not more than an old mmorpg with every year the same events, invasion, items, invasion, items, booring.

    No nice new effects, no cool new fire or poison areas, no nice looking particle effects or anything elese i can get fun with. PvP is dead and also bad when the other players are lagging around and of course iam lagging for the other players and the PvM stuff is booring after two times of doing it also, because there are no really cool special things like good graphics or cool effects which makes it fun to play repeatly, sad...

    But iam here maybe there comes a day when the new million project has been failed UO gets attention and reinvented again, this day will come i be sure!
     
  29. Harlequin

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    Did some testing, the EC doesn't fire off macros only upon the release of a button anymore. It casts as soon as the button is pressed.
     
  30. Harlequin

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    I did a few tests, the results shows that casting in the Enhanced Client is actually faster. I didn't believe it at first, so I recorded it and made a frame by frame comparison. Uploaded to youtube, take a look at 0:41 -


    [YOUTUBE]z6rPpm7Tp9o[/YOUTUBE]
     
  31. Cloak&Dagger

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    Unfortunately that is not definitive. It just shows that the animation casts sooner in the ec than the cc. But it is an interesting comparison and does show fairly well that the clients seem to cast at the same speed.
     
  32. Llewen

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    Actually both the KR client and the EC client use the same 3D game engine, the same one that Civilization IV and Oblivion used.
     
  33. Llewen

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    Unfortunately that is not definitive. It just shows that the animation casts sooner in the ec than the cc. But it is an interesting comparison and does show fairly well that the clients seem to cast at the same speed.[/QUOTE]

    I've thought that whole business of the EC casting slower was bs for some time. The truth is that the EC just feels different, and if you are used to competing at a high level with the CC it will be a while before you will reach that same level of proficiency with the EC. And pvp'rs are a notoriously impatient lot - which of course is one of the reasons that so many of them end up taking "shortcuts".
     
  34. Cloak&Dagger

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    I know this, I have said that the EC being "slower" is only perceptive because the animation and sound ques are way off, and I still have some trouble competing in the EC because of it.
     
  35. Harlequin

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    It's not that EC shows the animation sooner.

    Look carefully at both the CC and the EC at 0:41. Both clients show that the very first tile of the e.field appears on the character casting in EC (the darker drow character on the right)

    Here's a more interesting one. I removed the speak command in case UOA put in some invisible delay that could affect my test, and this time I move my UOA panel up to show when the macro starts playing. Remember, I start casting on the CC first, but the EC got looting rights.

    [YOUTUBE]YHjy9ubFp2Q[/YOUTUBE]
     
  36. Cloak&Dagger

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    That one is a little more definitive...But Perhaps your macro on UOA is somehow causing it to be slower? I can't say for sure, but that is a bit more visual proof than the last one.
     
  37. Harlequin

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    Yes, it does seem that using UOA is slower than using the built in EC macro. So the OP's concern that his friend needs CC or UOA to cast faster is incorrect.


    As to the macro in UOA itself, I initially thought the speak commands might be slowing it down, so I removed all the extra speak commands. But I'm still getting the same results. You can see the the UOA macro I am using, and when it starts playing exactly (before toggling to the EC).

    Mana is also used.
     
  38. Winker

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    This is all hypothetical. Mervyn has no mates. So he would not be having this conversation in the first place.

    :thumbsup:
     
  39. Mervyn

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    OK, there are many other threads about casting speed of the 2 clients, i didn't really want to go into it, but the issue is not the actual casting speed, more the ability to cast a spell immediately after another, sometimes in the EC, after you've finished casting one, and you go to cast another spell, nothing will happen, it seems you have to pause a couple of ms before casting again.
     
  40. Llewen

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    I've never noticed that. I've been playing a mage on the EC for over a year now. Now mind you, I'm not the 733t peeveepee mage that can detect a time difference of .000000000001 ms that some here claim to be... :)

    One thing I will say though. I've fought against other mages both in ernest and just dicking around, and I find that when I'm spamming fireball I'm interrupting the other character's spell casting more often than not, even when they were doing the magic arrow/weaken and/or mana bolt spam. And this is against some pretty experienced mages that are far more "skilled" as mages than I am. You can draw your own conclusions from that.
     
  41. Restroom Cowboy

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    Thanks for the clarification...I have not used the EC for some time due to losing a spell if the target left screen. Them adding que is nice, but if the casting is still perceptively slower I see no reason to try out the client again.

    Now, to avoid being a complete downer about that client...I did enjoy the movement, and customizable interface. ;)
     
  42. Cloak&Dagger

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    Yea it takes some getting use to playing on the EC, To each their own though. I play it to offer support. You could learn the perspective of the EC though and cast just as good, but yea...learning sucks.

    Anyhow like I said to each their own, I do not push anything on anyone, just simply correcting false information. ;)
     
  43. Merion

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    Ok, this is like the 10th thread opened by Mervyn stating that Mages in the EC are unplayable. And it's bull! I play the EC and I pvp with mages. And i don't think I'm slower than others. Also better pvp mages than me also play the EC.

    But I have to agree with you, that if you tell someone about all the stuff you need for the CC to be competitive, it quite ridiculous.
     
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    You "pvp" with mages but you are bad at it. I tried mage pvp on EC after 10 years of CC and i find that you cannot chain spells without having to wait a tick between the spells. Single Spell Wise they are the same speed but for some reason if you cast a spell, target it and try immediately casting second spell like we use to do it on CC you fail to cast it :( That needs some tweaking, apart from that i find EC not bad having zoomed out a ton so it does not get pixel cracked. Movement rocks, auto move around objects is the best feature in the EC. I started using it with my pvm char but with mages still not that good.
     
  45. can anyone confirm if UOAssist works using the enhanced client?
     
  46. Merion

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    You're right, I'm a pretty bad PvP mage, I prefer warriors, but that's why I mentioned that better pvp mages than me using it too :p

    In the EC Forums there's a discussion going on right now about mage pvp with the EC:
    http://vboards.stratics.com/uo-enhanced-client-beta-discussion/230553-mage-pvp-ec.html
     
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    [general chat] Friend: Hi, I'm new to WOW, can anyone help me?
    To [Friend]: Hi, what do you need help with?
    [Friend] whispers: Where can you find these quest items and monsters?
    To [Friend]: Easiest way is to download an addon called Questhelper, it'll show you where to go and what to kill
    [Friend] whispers: moar downloads? *sigh*
    To [Friend]: Excuse me?
    [Friend] whispers: Oh, nevermind

    [Friend] whispers: Hi again, can I ask you something? I want to join a group for an instance, but the people I ask want to know my DPS?
    To [Friend]: yeah, you need to install an addon called DamageMeter that tells you your DPS.
    [Friend] whispers: ...

    [Friend] whispers: Ok, I wasn't good at DPS'ing, so I started a healer. People are asking me to use a Healbot? What's a Healbot?
    To [Friend]: well, it's an addon that....
    [Friend] whispers: Screw that, I'm going back to UO!
     
  48. NorCal

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    QFT. I played both and WoW uses more mods. Why mods would turn off someone from playing UO I can't imagine. If you want to join a raiding guild or be involved in serious PvP in WoW Mods will be required.
     
  49. Merion

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    The problem is, it's not mods you need for the Classic Client but 3rd Party programs that you need to pay for.

    The EC has mods too and those are fine. But in order to play the Classic Client half-decently I need to pay money to thugsoft (or use that shaving tool that might get me banned).
     
  50. Harlequin

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    No, UOA does not work with the Enhanced client. But EC has many of the UOA functions built in. And some that CC+UOA cannot do.

    It's also mod-able. Pinco has a very cool mod, a tab that automatically pulls the health bars of all mobs on the screen, allows you to set a loot bag just to name a couple.